How Intel Will Lock Overclocking on LGA1160 (Mainstream Nehalem) - Fud

[virtualrain]

I wonder what's the basis for this rumor.IMO , OC Nehalem will be very similar to K8/K10 , nothing different.
Intel knows the power of the enthusiasts , the bad press they can bring and sure as hell won't upset the status quo.

The basis for this rumor is that FUDZILLA is stating the obvious and adding a negative assumption to it that is completely unfounded.

The fact is that Nehalem will have on-die clock generators... sure. No problem. However, FUD then proceed to speculate and cast Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about the ability to overclock. Just because the clock gen circuit is on-die DOES NOT imply it cannot be controlled from BIOS.

What amazes me is how many people read FUD news and follow it like a pack of sheep... declaring it the gospel. LOL!

[Pinacolada]

You guys missed the point, sure the procs are gonna cost 400 at entry level, but the mobo's not having to include the NB will be reduced in price.

I wouldn't be that sure - it seems Nehalem Bloomfield will require more expensive 8-layer PCB motherboards.

http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/05/r...-to-use-8.html

[Hornet331]

I wouldn't be that sure - it seems Nehalem Bloomfield will require more expensive 8-layer PCB motherboards.

http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/05/r...-to-use-8.html

i dont think we see much higher prices then nowadays, if you look at the prices of mainstream serverbaords, they are in the 250-350€ pricerange, todays highend consumer boards are in the 200-300€ pricerange.

So if you consider the fact that serverboards have 2 cpu slots double the vrms etc. i dont think we see much movement in the price.

[Donnie27]

I wouldn't be that sure - it seems Nehalem Bloomfield will require more expensive 8-layer PCB motherboards.

http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/05/r...-to-use-8.html

It seems this guy was speculating. Got anything that says this for a fact? There have been 6 layer Server boards.

[Freaky Freezer]

I'm not technical savvy enough to know whether or not this is possible, although im sure it is, but I am business savvy enough to know that Intel would definitely do this. They've been on top for quite sometime and that leds to over-confidence and just plain arrogance. Not to mention the fact that probably 30% of the overclocking market consists of Intel fan-boys who would sell crack and kill for Intel, let alone paying 30-100$ more for Intel's new "overclocking" lineup.

But I can assure you that if Intel decides to stop "putting out" for overclockers, AMD will quickly become the jealous ex-girlfriend knocking on your door with a short skirt, the first 2 buttons on her blouse open, no bra and a gleam in her eyes. And I don't know about the rest of you, but being that I really have no loyalty to either company, I'll be more than happy to invite AMD in.

[virtualrain]

It seems this guy was speculating. Got anything that says this for a fact? There have been 6 layer Server boards.

It's definitely speculation (I wrote it). However, for reasons I explained, it's not an unreasonable expectation. I also mention that a lot can change between now and Nehalem's release towards the end of the year.

[Jimmer411]

Q6600 sold for less than the X2 3800 did right up until the Conroe launched. They seemed like a Bargain after folks got used to across the Board High Priced AMD X2 price. No, we sure as hell aren't talking prices after INTEL forced AMD to cut them. Or are you one of those hopeless Fanbois who thinks AMD loves you and did you a favor?

Since when did the 3800 X2 sell for the $851 or higher that the Q6600 was introduced at (price per 1000)?

I think your confusing the Q6600 with the E6600 (still was $300~). Still I dont recall the 3800 X2 ever being even $400, which is what I purchased my 4400 X2 for back when they were released. Iirc the 3800 X2 was priced around $300 at introduction

[Sauron_Vie]

What amazes me is how many people read FUD news and follow it like a pack of sheep... declaring it the gospel. LOL!

[Donnie27]

Since when did the 3800 X2 sell for the $851 or higher that the Q6600 was introduced at (price per 1000)?

I think your confusing the Q6600 with the E6600 (still was $300~). Still I dont recall the 3800 X2 ever being even $400, which is what I purchased my 4400 X2 for back when they were released. Iirc the 3800 X2 was priced around $300 at introduction

Wrong link, wrong quote and geesh, what were you reading?

Did you even read the link? For almost a year X2 3800+ prices Ranged from $359 to $439.

http://www.simhq.com/_technology/technology_057a.html

The X2 3800+'s pricing is $354 in 1,000-unit quantities, so initial sales should remain under $400 USD. This review will test the 3800+ against the Pentium D 820, a 2.8GHz dual core from Intel currently selling for slightly under $250; we'll also include scores from high-end dual cores such as AMD's X2 4800+ and the Pentium 4 840 Extreme Edition, with AMD's FX-55, the fastest single-core CPU available to SimHQ at this time, likewise included

On the pricing front, Intel has introduced the chip with a US$851 price tag (in 1000-unit quantities). DailyTech suggests that the chip will be reduced to US$530 in the second quarter of this year.

Stayed that way for a Year! Q6600 launched at $851 and price cuts were talked about before the first one was sold and started life a $550 or so. It Quickly fell to $266 to $319. X2 3800+ DIDN'T see its price fall until Conroe body slammed it! Intel was competing with itself and had ZERO Choice. There were also cheaper Xeons at that point as well As I said, FX-55 sold for $851

[Hornet331]

to be fair,all intel extreme editions sold for more then 900€.

[Donnie27]

It's definitely speculation (I wrote it). However, for reasons I explained, it's not an unreasonable expectation. I also mention that a lot can change between now and Nehalem's release towards the end of the year.

I know I didn't try to say or imply anything negative there. I did want at least a 6 layer board because I've had better luck with them.

Did we forget?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel...es-74798.shtml

However, there seems to be a more practical reason for delaying the Yorkfields. Acording to reports from sources at Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers, some Yorkfield - ready motherboards are facing severe problems with front-side bus (FSB). The problematic motherboards are the mass-market four-layer boards, built with the P35 chipset, that are crippled by stability issues and feature out-of-parameters "noise" signals.

[Donnie27]

to be fair,all intel extreme editions sold for more then 900€.

QFT! That's why many here wouldn't touch them.

[bluehaze]

Sort of sucks here, Intel looking to suck the consumer dry, war with Nvidia and all this to do what with in the end? Even the fastest platform in the world capable of rendering photo realistic graphics will be useless if noone is producing games for it. i am becoming disheartened over the whole ordeal just seems such a waste to spend 5k to build the ultimate PC and then have no games/programs to take advantage of all that horsepower.

I have money to spend but can't decide to spend on a SS phase build a super PC or just sell all my stuff and spend 2k on an imac and put the other 3k in bank...

[Nosfer@tu]

That is what made the Inq the site they are today and now FUD is trying to cach up to.
Why dont that site just try and earn respect instead of giving it away for hits ?

[Warboy]

I know I didn't try to say or imply anything negative there. I did want at least a 6 layer board because I've had better luck with them.

Did we forget?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel...es-74798.shtml

I bet you 50 dollars that applies to most X38/X48 right now too. I know ASUS is having trouble with Yorkfields and Intel based motherboards.

[Donnie27]

I bet you 50 dollars that applies to most X38/X48 right now too. I know ASUS is having trouble with Yorkfields and Intel based motherboards.

I never tested a Yorkfield but I can say that the 8400 had zero problem with the Cheap Gigabyte DS3L P35. It worked like a Charm on it. I wouldn't take your bet because I feel the same way even though I can't prove it. If I wanted a Yorkie, I'd want at least a 6 layer board no matter what chipset it's based on

OT!
But dewd, folks complaining about only doing 520MHz FSB LOL!

[Donnie27]

to be fair,all intel extreme editions sold for more then 900€.

Oh, I forgot this little PDF.

https://mr.pricegrabber.com/october_...ket_trends.pdf

[Warboy]

How many layers is the Striker II Extreme, thats the board ASUS is giving me due to a "Compatibility issue" with C1 Stepping Yorkies.

[Donnie27]

How many layers is the Striker II Extreme, thats the board ASUS is giving me due to a "Compatibility issue" with C1 Stepping Yorkies.

The Asus Striker II Formula is equipped with the Nvidia 780i SLI northbridge chipset.

With nVidia Chipsets, layers are the least of anyone's problems. Certain RAM, X-Fi, Audigy, Controller Cards, USB Devices and etc... have had more problems than on the Intel Chipsets. But many folks still cling to nVidia for some reason or another

[Warboy]

The Asus Striker II Formula is equipped with the Nvidia 780i SLI northbridge chipset.

With nVidia Chipsets, layers are the least of anyone's problems. Certain RAM, X-Fi, Audigy, Controller Cards, USB Devices and etc... have had more problems than on the Intel Chipsets. But many folks still cling to nVidia for some reason or another

I'm talking about the 790i Chipset, aka Striker II Extreme.

[Donnie27]

I'm talking about the 790i Chipset, aka Striker II Extreme.

Same problems as its predecessor!

[Warboy]

Same problems as its predecessor!

.....I smell a fanboy. a Intel chipset fanboy.

[saaya]

sounds like the "smart" intel guys are back in control

no enthusiasts, no ocing... = no pr...
good luck with that intel!