ocz cryo-z news?

[Xeon th MG Pony]

Remember people, governments love red tape, and they orgasm over comercial red tape, and that crap takes lots of time!I gurentee you they're pissed at OCz too about it.

[Sly Fox]

The Cryo-Z could NOT be "rushed" at this point. A unit can only be delayed, falsely "launched", and hinted at so many times before it just gets silly.

OCZ is not a stupid company, and they do not have stupid employees. I think they've known very well most of the times they've talked about the Cryo-Z that they had NO intention of launching it and were simply trying to hype it up.

This most recent time, I believed them and I was on the verge of ordering one once they came up on the site.

Now, frankly, I am left much much less than impressed and am simply done waiting. Ordered a watercooling loop. I don't have time to deal with this PR nonsense anymore.

Now don't go and hate on me because you want to suck up to some OCZ reps, please, I won't bother to so much as respond.

[RyderOCZ]

I still want an explanation of why this offends so many people?

[Sly Fox]

I still want an explanation of why this offends so many people?

I know that personally I put off getting a watercooling loop for a very long time, because I wanted the Cryo-Z. I guess after continuing to hear rumors and speculation, in conjunction with the occasional "it's coming 'soon,'" I got frustrated and disappointed.

I like OCZ as a whole, over the years I've purchased OCZ products ranging from CPU coolers, to RAM, to power supplies. All in all, I've been impressed with both the quality and appearance of OCZ's products.

I suppose I'm just bitter about waiting so long for the Cryo-Z. Perhaps I'm in the wrong, but it's simply how I feel.

[Jor3lBR]

I know that personally I put off getting a watercooling loop for a very long time, because I wanted the Cryo-Z. I guess after continuing to hear rumors and speculation, in conjunction with the occasional "it's coming 'soon,'" I got frustrated and disappointed.

I like OCZ as a whole, over the years I've purchased OCZ products ranging from CPU coolers, to RAM, to power supplies. All in all, I've been impressed with both the quality and appearance of OCZ's products.

I suppose I'm just bitter about waiting so long for the Cryo-Z. Perhaps I'm in the wrong, but it's simply how I feel.

Dang I sold all CPU loop (rad + pump + fuzion) this last week when I heard that it was coming out by the end of April.

Now I don't know what to do if the same thing happens again!

[RyderOCZ]

No...I have no more info about when, paperwork is a PITA.

I finally got a 45nm Dually to play with and since I am not much of an Extreme OC'er...I think I did rather well

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[Jor3lBR]

cOOL Ryder Nice 8.9s Spi!!!

Do you wanna sell me your Cryo?

[Planet]

Nice results Ryder. Your making me miss my cascade

[The Nemesis]

Personally I'm throwing in the towel on this unit. It was announced in '06, said to be out last fall, then almost ready and so on. I didn't want it for 24/7 use. I've had my tagan aplus black pearl case empty since the end of quakecon last year, waiting on this unit. With Quakecon competitions but a few months away, it's time to just order a custom phase unit and begin benchmarking. Good luck to those with time to wait on this unit. It does look promising, but you can't win an overclock contest with hardware you've had a month and this unit looks like it won't be available before summer.

[ZenEffect]

i have a theory on the delays. since ryder keeps saying its "paperwork" i have no reason to believe otherwise as far as the delays. perhaps since phase change units are not conventional pieces of hardware, nobody will insure them for shipment? i work closely with ups and fedex and after reading through the service guides, there is no mention of a phase change unit. do you think that this "paperwork" is an attempt to get a 3rd party insurance carrier? i know that fedex and ups would try to back out on insuring these things at first sight. ups damage claims is a joke and fedex is getting that way as well. mabye ocz doesnt want to lose tons of money shipping these things out through carriers that potentially could damage 30% or more of the shipped units due to their handling?

this is my THEORY and thus i wait.

here is a quote from the fedex ground service guide

section D
"Packages containing all or part of the following items are limited to a maximum declared value of $100:"

part 11
"Any commodity that by its inherent nature is particularly susceptible to damage or the market value of which is particularly variable or difficult to ascertain."


that means that fedex ground is only liable to pay $100 for the insured claim no matter what the insured amount.

can anyone verify that these are the circumstances?

[killermiller]

I don't think your reading it right.

That is a disclaimer for when someone ships a fragile item,(i.e. glass) insures it for an ungodly amount and says that it irreplacable. Not for sub-$300 "refrigerators" which aren't "fragile".

If any shipping negotiations are in place, it is to figure out how to ship a 30lb item anywhere in the country for $35.

[ZenEffect]

I don't think your reading it right.

That is a disclaimer for when someone ships a fragile item,(i.e. glass) insures it for an ungodly amount and says that it irreplacable. Not for sub-$300 "refrigerators" which aren't "fragile".

If any shipping negotiations are in place, it is to figure out how to ship a 30lb item anywhere in the country for $35.

fedex nor ups will insure glass at all. im not reading it wrong, if a claims adjuster came out and looked at a damaged phase change (any damaged package is subject to inspection), they would go to this exact line in the service guide as a way to you. trust me, i deal with this so much im going to get a tumor. this is probably why there is so much paperwork to be done. if it were me shipping out mass quantities of these i would get it in writing that it would be covered. its different working as a indepenant builder and as a large corporation. if a phase unit is damaged, it is sent back to you and you fix it. all it costs you is time and parts. a phase that is broken and sent back to ocz costs more money because they have to pay their tech to do the repair plus parts. honestly, if there were a bigger segment of phase users, you would be very valuable to a manufacturer as a warranty repair tech.

its not hard to ship 30lbs for $35. become an aso (authorized shipping outlet) and you will see that you can get over 60% discount for every package. $35 is about right to ship from california to new york ground + packing materials as the cost of shipment would only be about $18 in reality *hint hint*
aso discounts are based on tier though, and tiers are based on volume. so whoever the agent is that sets them up would have to put them into a good tier level to start out with... though being ocz im sure thats already locked down years ago.

when you go to a fedex store or ups store to ship, or even have a personal account, you are paying between 60% - 80% more than actual cost.

if anybody has any inquires as to how the shipping game is played, pm me as this is a bit off topic.

once again, this is all speculation. but if its paperwork holding these things back, i bet this is the reason.

[killermiller]

Obviously you work with/for a carrier as/a carrier/clerk/logistical support but obviously don't work with phase units very much. They are nothing more than refrigerators. Instead of an evaporator coil they have an evaporator block. If built and packet properly these units are far from fragile. I bet money that they wouldn't deny a claim if they damaged a somehow but you functioning refrigerator or other appliance. This isn't some sort of conspiricy theory, trust me.

Paperwork is a broad term and your speculations are assumptions at best. It probably isn't even traditional "paperwork". They could be working on how to pay workers who assemble these. If they can build these, they can just as easily be an apprectice in the HVAC/Refrigeration industry making at least a couple buck over minimum wage. If they pay to litte they get crap people who don't do well at their job and cost warranty returns anyway.

Long story short, you have no idea what the delay is. In the company where I work, if the bossman approves a project and it doesn't meet the deadline the bossman wants to know WTF. Our 3 post haven't even scratched the surface and honestly I hope this thread dies a quick death.

[RyderOCZ]

Guys...the units are built. Nobody has to assemble anything. Some of you have seen the photos.... the units are at OCZ in California.

Shipping is handled.

Sorry for being vague...but I am just not going to say more and I shouldn't have to. Everybody wants to know everything about everyone now days... too bad

It really is just final details about, how this and when that, ok?

[Planet]

So Ryder when you sending me a unit to test?

[ZenEffect]

Obviously you work with/for a carrier as/a carrier/clerk/logistical support but obviously don't work with phase units very much. They are nothing more than refrigerators. Instead of an evaporator coil they have an evaporator block. If built and packet properly these units are far from fragile. I bet money that they wouldn't deny a claim if they damaged a somehow but you functioning refrigerator or other appliance. This isn't some sort of conspiricy theory, trust me.

i manage the 3rd largest volume fedex distributor center in southern california. that includes ups stores and kinkos so you get an idea where im coming from. you dont even want to know what a package goes through before it gets to your front door. 5%-9% of all packages sent will arrive damaged, do you think that that either company could be making the money that they do if they honored all the damage claims for the insured amount? these are not arbitrary numbers btw. this is a figure based upon damage claims vs packages shipped in the year 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 through our hub w/ a survey of over 30,000 packages per year. 100% of the claims that were denied were due to customer packed packages as it seems the general public does not know the regulations needed for shipping properly.

take for example. say you send a gold bar fedex that is worth $5000 and you go into a store and ship it with the insured amount. do you know what you would get back if it ended up getting stolen or lost during tranist? exactly $100
as far as appliances go like refridgerators, if they are damaged, they are usually scrapped at the manufacturers expense as the insurable amount is not enough to cover the repair costs. they go to a depot where they are either parted out or repaired and re-sold by whoever owns the depot. i know as i worked for one repairing appliances when i lived in florida. the name of the place is Art's TV and Appliances in Fort Walton Beach. please look it up if you are so inclined (bunch of rednecks anyways... their favorite motto in the shop... GET ER DONE ) they also serve as a GE and Kenmore depot, where my job was to recieve the damaged appliances and repair them so they can be re-sold for 100% profit minus the cost of parts and wages.

drop a refrigerator from 3 feet and it will break, thus will not be insured through a major carrier. same with a microwave, or most other appliances. have you ever seen a sorting hub? do you know how exactly your packages are handled? to put it short, its a game on how far you can throw it so you dont have to walk.

*edited because im really a nice guy*

you are right this thread should die,and i hope this long and boring pointless post will kill it.

[stoner]

First look at a retail OCZ

from http://icrontic.com

[The Nemesis]

First look at a retail OCZ

from http://icrontic.com

Good results with quality issues again. I would have thought that any unit ocz sent out for review would have went through the quality inspection we've heard of.

[Buckeye]

Why is it when these guys, or other review sites for different products, always start out by saying something like...

"It is important to note that this is not a review or a comprehensive analysis, as we only had a few hours to look at the unit in operation, but we were happy with what we saw."

Why do a write up on something when you only have a few hours to look at it. Why even send them a unit if they are only going to give it a few hours.

[The Nemesis]

Another month has past, no additional info or word as to when these units will be available? What about FUGGER? What's happended with yours have you been getting good use out of it??

[NeverMore]

Holy damn, 8.9?

Nice, nice. (This is starting to my position on retial or custom unit/s. )

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[Jor3lBR]

It's been almost 6 months with loads of 'now' obsolete hardware on my closet, back then it was top of the notch blocks, rads, pumps, kits etc (waiting on the cryo-z).



It's comical even when it's tragical!

[wdrzal]

Why is it when these guys, or other review sites for different products, always start out by saying something like...

"It is important to note that this is not a review or a comprehensive analysis, as we only had a few hours to look at the unit in operation, but we were happy with what we saw."

Why do a write up on something when you only have a few hours to look at it. Why even send them a unit if they are only going to give it a few hours.

I suspect most reviews are written by Enthusiasts with varying degrees of technical knowledge. They provide their opinion based on their previous knowledge/experience & any biases they may or may not have ( I would bet a positive bias gets you free hardware for reviews)(negative bias does not) Now don't throw every one into that boat,Fugger had a OZC and publicly made a few recommendations to improve the unit .IIRC.....it had to do with the controller.

Actually a company wants to find flaws and defects while in the pre-production stage. changes are less costly. There is nothing more costly than having to make a 100% refund. Then the old saying " you can do 1000 things right and no one hears about it,but 1 failure and the whole world knows" I still believe most people are honest and want to produce a good product. After all thats the foundation for a long lasting successful business.

I doubt not many reviews are written by a Independent Engineer or organization such as UL (underwriters laboratories)using expensive test equipment and hard numbers using standardized testing methods.

Then cooling being what it is ,external environmental factors affect performance. So there's room to fudge numbers a bit. I haven't seen the line "Tested @ Standard Temperature @ Atmosphere" there is a very specfic definition for those words....... Some consumers may buy a product solely on a given spec if is 2 degrees colder than another model.

[nfm]

I thought about getting better cooling and maybe some good numbers .
I'm still waiting patiently here, I hope OCZ can get the units rolling ASAP .

[Riggs]

Any updates?