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    I'm on XP...but I'm might see if I can replicate it in Vista.

    Daniel_K isn't making drivers anymore for X-Fi/Vista because Creative threatened to sue him off the face of the planet... He's still making them for the old cards though, they don't mind him fixing cards they no longer sell...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    I'm on XP...but I'm might see if I can replicate it in Vista.

    Daniel_K isn't making drivers anymore for X-Fi/Vista because Creative threatened to sue him off the face of the planet... He's still making them for the old cards though, they don't mind him fixing cards they no longer sell...
    did you try disabling the ati audio drivers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenEffect View Post
    did you try disabling the ati audio drivers?
    I didn't disable them but I did check they're not set as the primary audio device for anything and they're not...

    I'll try actually disabling them and see how it is...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    I'm on XP...but I'm might see if I can replicate it in Vista.

    Daniel_K isn't making drivers anymore for X-Fi/Vista because Creative threatened to sue him off the face of the planet... He's still making them for the old cards though, they don't mind him fixing cards they no longer sell...
    You could try Youpax-drivers for X-Fi, I am using them on XP and like them a lot!
    http://www.youp-pax.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=13
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    http://www.driverheaven.net/audio-ge...al-discussion/
    Don`t really know, if they have Vista drivers, too. But you could take a look.
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    Ohn the sound issues, I'm running a Creative Audigy 2 ZS (carry over from my last rig) under Vista x64 and it often starts making a nasty buzzing cracking noise (in the speakers, not the card itself). Quitting the player (it can happen in any one) and restartin the player always solves it.
    I'm gonna dump this creative crap asap.

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    Anyone have some settings to run a 4GB kit of Patriot 1066 at 1066 speeds? I was running a 2Gb kit of Muskin 1066 without any problems at all. The Patriot will run at 800 easily, but any attempt to get them to run at 1066 just hangs at the det ram section of the LCD poster.

    Ram is in the blue slots currently, voltage set to 2.3, timings at 5-5-5-15, NB is at 1.34 volts, SB at 1.06 volts. Pretty much everything else is at auto.
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    Check what your tRFC value is.

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    Please help!

    My PSU fried a couple days ago. I put in a replacement (Tt 1200w), and now I have a problem:

    I can only POST at BIOS defaults. If I change ANYthing in BIOS that requires a cold restart (any OC change), the system will shutdown immediately after restart (it only comes on for a fraction of a second). HOWEVER, if I change anything in BIOS that doesn't require the cold restart (like changing the boot priorities), it's fine.

    The only way to POST after it's failed the cold restart is to reset CMOS (at this point, the POSTer still reads, "EN SETUP"). This works 100% of the time and it will even load the OS with no problems at BIOS defaults.

    I've re-flashed and even tried flashing back to Maximus BIOS, but I still have this problem. I've swapped out RAM and the video card, which has no difference.

    Could it be a PSU problem? Or is my board fried? Kudos to anyone who can help me diagnose this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77 View Post
    Please help!

    My PSU fried a couple days ago. I put in a replacement (Tt 1200w), and now I have a problem:

    I can only POST at BIOS defaults. If I change ANYthing in BIOS that requires a cold restart (any OC change), the system will shutdown immediately after restart (it only comes on for a fraction of a second). HOWEVER, if I change anything in BIOS that doesn't require the cold restart (like changing the boot priorities), it's fine.

    The only way to POST after it's failed the cold restart is to reset CMOS (at this point, the POSTer still reads, "EN SETUP"). This works 100% of the time and it will even load the OS with no problems at BIOS defaults.

    I've re-flashed and even tried flashing back to Maximus BIOS, but I still have this problem. I've swapped out RAM and the video card, which has no difference.

    Could it be a PSU problem? Or is my board fried? Kudos to anyone who can help me diagnose this.
    my first thought is the motherboard, but it would be cheaper and faster to test the psu first to see if that is the issue as it would be the easiest and fastest thing to fix/replace.
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    Try increasing the NB volts. 1.31V looks low. My MF defaults on AUTO to 1.61, and I run stably at 1.49V.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hockster View Post
    Anyone have some settings to run a 4GB kit of Patriot 1066 at 1066 speeds? I was running a 2Gb kit of Muskin 1066 without any problems at all. The Patriot will run at 800 easily, but any attempt to get them to run at 1066 just hangs at the det ram section of the LCD poster.

    Ram is in the blue slots currently, voltage set to 2.3, timings at 5-5-5-15, NB is at 1.34 volts, SB at 1.06 volts. Pretty much everything else is at auto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockster View Post
    Anyone have some settings to run a 4GB kit of Patriot 1066 at 1066 speeds? I was running a 2Gb kit of Muskin 1066 without any problems at all. The Patriot will run at 800 easily, but any attempt to get them to run at 1066 just hangs at the det ram section of the LCD poster.

    Ram is in the blue slots currently, voltage set to 2.3, timings at 5-5-5-15, NB is at 1.34 volts, SB at 1.06 volts. Pretty much everything else is at auto.
    problem is that TRFC adjustments are not accurate for these sticks. I can't run higher than 1033mhz...1036 "DET DRAM", no matter what has been changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenEffect View Post
    my first thought is the motherboard, but it would be cheaper and faster to test the psu first to see if that is the issue as it would be the easiest and fastest thing to fix/replace.
    Thanks. ATM, I'm going to give the PSU the benefit of the doubt. Even though it's easier to replace, I think the indications are something faulty with the board. I ordered a new one, so we'll see soon.

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    [QUOTE=Dostoyevsky77;2951561]Thanks. ATM, I'm going to give the PSU the benefit of the doubt. Even though it's easier to replace, I think the indications are something faulty with the board. I ordered a new one, so we'll see soon.

    Ordered, new purchace? or just RMA on warrenty? RMA is fine, only cost of shipping to test.. but it wouldnt cost but a moment to try a different SPU of 2 diffeent brands. like maybe SilverStone or OCZ.

    Oh and I notice 1200w more poplar now. Is anybody really consuming that much energy to OC to as average as we see on this form? i havent even outgrew 700 watts and a 2nd one is still on an old 600 and is fine. I guess it's tru, more of the amps then watts.
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    I purchased a new one, and I'll RMA the (probably) fried board. It's too inconvenient have to use my wife's computer for three+ weeks.

    If anyone else has any ideas, I'd love to hear it. I know there probably isn't a solution, but if anyone has theories of the likely culprit, I'm still interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77 View Post
    I purchased a new one, and I'll RMA the (probably) fried board. It's too inconvenient have to use my wife's computer for three+ weeks.

    If anyone else has any ideas, I'd love to hear it. I know there probably isn't a solution, but if anyone has theories of the likely culprit, I'm still interested.
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    Sorry for your loss, that truely sucks
    Did you pop the battery, clear cmos and let her sit for awhile?
    Some claim it can help

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    thanks for the compilation kup
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    Okay, I've had it! My board is dying and I no longer have any patience. I think I'm going to take this piece up north with me next month and put it out of its misery w/ an 8mm 196gr fmj.

    Seriously though, something here just isn't right. When I first set this board up when it was released I was able to run 4-1GB Mushkins w/o any problems but over the last month the board has been really unstable with 4 sticks of RAM. On cold boots I'd have to enter the BIOS due to OC failure to find that the BIOS has my DIMM voltage set at 1.9V even though I have it set to 2.12V. After exiting the BIOS screen I have to wait for the PSU to turn off and then on before the computer would boot properly.

    I've followed everyone's suggestions on this board and on other boards but none of them have worked. I have also ran a few loops of Memtest and my OC was 4 hours+ stable under OCCT using both RAM/Blend. I never BSOD'd or had any lock-ups while encoding or playing games.

    Yesterday I decided to pull two sticks of RAM to see if the problem would go away and sure enough everything is fine. When I cold boot I no longer have to enter the BIOS and the BIOS holds the DIMM voltage where I set it. For some reason I can no longer run 4gigs of RAM on this board. How does this happen? I even tried to run 4 gigs of Patriot PC8500 but ran into the same problems. The RAM works great until I make changes that require more than 1.90V at which time I get a Det Ram error again.

    Oh well, the board was fun while it lasted. I ordered a DFI X48 from Newegg today and should have it by Wednesday. Thanks to those who helped me set this bastard up so many months ago--I don't think they come around here anymore. Maybe I'll see some of you guys over in the DFI x48 thread in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouGe View Post
    Okay, I've had it! My board is dying and I no longer have any patience. I think I'm going to take this piece up north with me next month and put it out of its misery w/ an 8mm 196gr fmj.

    Seriously though, something here just isn't right. When I first set this board up when it was released I was able to run 4-1GB Mushkins w/o any problems but over the last month the board has been really unstable with 4 sticks of RAM. On cold boots I'd have to enter the BIOS due to OC failure to find that the BIOS has my DIMM voltage set at 1.9V even though I have it set to 2.12V. After exiting the BIOS screen I have to wait for the PSU to turn off and then on before the computer would boot properly.

    I've followed everyone's suggestions on this board and on other boards but none of them have worked. I have also ran a few loops of Memtest and my OC was 4 hours+ stable under OCCT using both RAM/Blend. I never BSOD'd or had any lock-ups while encoding or playing games.

    Yesterday I decided to pull two sticks of RAM to see if the problem would go away and sure enough everything is fine. When I cold boot I no longer have to enter the BIOS and the BIOS holds the DIMM voltage where I set it. For some reason I can no longer run 4gigs of RAM on this board. How does this happen? I even tried to run 4 gigs of Patriot PC8500 but ran into the same problems. The RAM works great until I make changes that require more than 1.90V at which time I get a Det Ram error again.

    Oh well, the board was fun while it lasted. I ordered a DFI X48 from Newegg today and should have it by Wednesday. Thanks to those who helped me set this bastard up so many months ago--I don't think they come around here anymore. Maybe I'll see some of you guys over in the DFI x48 thread in the future.
    so...
    i haven't been following your dilemma regularly, so excuse me if i state something that you've already debunked but....;
    why the fu** do you insist on running 4 sticks of ram ? why dontcha try emulating everyone else's successful settings w/ this board not only with software settings, but w/ hardware too..

    either way good luck on your DFI;

    hope its.... more to your taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericab View Post
    so...
    i haven't been following your dilemma regularly, so excuse me if i state something that you've already debunked but....;
    why the fu** do you insist on running 4 sticks of ram ? why dontcha try emulating everyone else's successful settings w/ this board not only with software settings, but w/ hardware too..

    either way good luck on your DFI;

    hope its.... more to your taste.
    I'm sorry, does the board come with 4 RAM slots or only 2? Were the white slots just decorations then, a little eye candy? If your car dropped two cylinders would you still drive it our would you get it fixed?

    The reason I run 4 sticks is because it ran fine w/ 4 sticks since I purchased it back in October of last year. I have two sets of 4 gig kits that I've been using since my P5K-D which, I might add, never had a problem running 4 sticks. So what, you ask? Now I should just go out and buy a 2x2gig kit since my board can't handle 4 sticks anymore. Sounds a tad absurd.

    But hey thanks for the comment As needless as it was
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouGe View Post
    Okay, I've had it! My board is dying and I no longer have any patience. I think I'm going to take this piece up north with me next month and put it out of its misery w/ an 8mm 196gr fmj.

    Seriously though, something here just isn't right. When I first set this board up when it was released I was able to run 4-1GB Mushkins w/o any problems but over the last month the board has been really unstable with 4 sticks of RAM. On cold boots I'd have to enter the BIOS due to OC failure to find that the BIOS has my DIMM voltage set at 1.9V even though I have it set to 2.12V. After exiting the BIOS screen I have to wait for the PSU to turn off and then on before the computer would boot properly.

    I've followed everyone's suggestions on this board and on other boards but none of them have worked. I have also ran a few loops of Memtest and my OC was 4 hours+ stable under OCCT using both RAM/Blend. I never BSOD'd or had any lock-ups while encoding or playing games.

    Yesterday I decided to pull two sticks of RAM to see if the problem would go away and sure enough everything is fine. When I cold boot I no longer have to enter the BIOS and the BIOS holds the DIMM voltage where I set it. For some reason I can no longer run 4gigs of RAM on this board. How does this happen? I even tried to run 4 gigs of Patriot PC8500 but ran into the same problems. The RAM works great until I make changes that require more than 1.90V at which time I get a Det Ram error again.

    Oh well, the board was fun while it lasted. I ordered a DFI X48 from Newegg today and should have it by Wednesday. Thanks to those who helped me set this bastard up so many months ago--I don't think they come around here anymore. Maybe I'll see some of you guys over in the DFI x48 thread in the future.

    Make sure all 4 ram sticks are working properly at both stock/OC state. I had 4x 1GB configuration in the past as well and it was indeed harder to keep the system stable while OC'ed. I eventually ran into the same trouble as you right now and later I figured it was one of the stick from a pair of 2 x 1GB rams failed. So I RMA'ed the failure pair of ram sticks, of course, got a new pair soon after and installed them on another system. If I ever wanted to go with 4GB config again (mostly likely a yes in my case as I'm running x64 Vista Ulitmate) I'd go with 2 x 2GB config for less trouble.

    Also make sure both pair of your 2 x 1GB ram kit are of the identical model # and revision and make sure that they're compatible with this mobo. If you can dig up someone's OC template using the same ram kit as yours, take his template as a reference for you to OC.

    While some has complained that Ballistix Tracers are incompatible with this mobo, I'm one of the others who has no trouble OC a pair of Ballistix Tracers 1066 kit with this mobo. I've both the 1st and 2nd revision of the Ballistix Tracers are they're working perfectly with this mobo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu View Post
    Make sure all 4 ram sticks are working properly at both stock/OC state. I had 4x 1GB configuration in the past as well and it was indeed harder to keep the system stable while OC'ed. I eventually ran into the same trouble as you right now and later I figured it was one of the stick from a pair of 2 x 1GB rams failed. So I RMA'ed the failure pair of ram sticks, of course, got a new pair soon after and installed them on another system. If I ever wanted to go with 4GB config again (mostly likely a yes in my case as I'm running x64 Vista Ulitmate) I'd go with 2 x 2GB config for less trouble.

    Also make sure both pair of your 2 x 1GB ram kit are of the identical model # and revision and make sure that they're compatible with this mobo. If you can dig up someone's OC template using the same ram kit as yours, take his template as a reference for you to OC.

    While some has complained that Ballistix Tracers are incompatible with this mobo, I'm one of the others who has no trouble OC a pair of Ballistix Tracers 1066 kit with this mobo. I've both the 1st and 2nd revision of the Ballistix Tracers are they're working perfectly with this mobo.

    Good luck
    Yeah, I spent most of Saturday/Sunday running Memtest, first with all 4 sticks then just two at a time and they never kicked up any errors. I've been using the 4x1GB Mushkins (purchased at the same time from Mushkin as a 4 gig kit) since I purchased this board, 10/24, w/o any problems. It wasn't until about a month ago that this issue started happening. I don't think its the RAM since I also tried it with a 4 gig kit of Patriot RAM that are brand new from an RMA and were tested back in November.

    Why would the RAM cause the BIOS to reset the DIMM back to default voltage and why would it happen now and not back in October?

    My OC is fine. I've tested and retested it many of times using OCCT and Prime95 and it has never failed at its current settings nor has windows crashed, locked-up, or BSOD'd while gamming or encoding.

    I'm not about to purchase more RAM when I have two kits that are working fine. All I need is a stock pile of DDR2 when I plan on switching over to DDR3 in the fall.

    Thanks for the suggestions though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouGe View Post
    Yeah, I spent most of Saturday/Sunday running Memtest, first with all 4 sticks then just two at a time and they never kicked up any errors. I've been using the 4x1GB Mushkins (purchased at the same time from Mushkin as a 4 gig kit) since I purchased this board, 10/24, w/o any problems. It wasn't until about a month ago that this issue started happening. I don't think its the RAM since I also tried it with a 4 gig kit of Patriot RAM that are brand new from an RMA and were tested back in November.

    Why would the RAM cause the BIOS to reset the DIMM back to default voltage and why would it happen now and not back in October?

    My OC is fine. I've tested and retested it many of times using OCCT and Prime95 and it has never failed at its current settings nor has windows crashed, locked-up, or BSOD'd while gamming or encoding.

    I'm not about to purchase more RAM when I have two kits that are working fine. All I need is a stock pile of DDR2 when I plan on switching over to DDR3 in the fall.

    Thanks for the suggestions though....

    Okay, there's nothing more I can add from here. May I wish you best luck in OCing your new x48 DFI board.
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    Agreed. This is an overclockers and or gamers mobo. If you must use 4gb RAM, invest in a server or high end workstation. I stated so many times in this and the other forums the disadvantages of forcing 4 slot RAM usage when overclocking. The extra slots are there for jdec spec @ 4x DDR800 and at rated spds. This mobo can do as a workstation to a certain degree but is aimed toward the gamers and enthusiast overclockers and we never fussed with 4 sticks of RAM. I have a server for that stuff.

    As for the car, my car can seat 6 full sized adualts and tow a 2t trailer, but my gas mlg. and road handlig would suck and my tranny would be shot out in no time with all that stress. There's a spot on a race car for a trailer hitch too but I wouldnt use it.

    So look again at the stable daily OC'd profiles, like mine and others like it. Spec'd for daily stability, not just to score benches. And I am the other one who uses Ballistix Tracers PC2-8500 for almost 1 year no probs on P35, and this X38.
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    +1!
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