GeForce 9900 GTX & GTS Slated For July Launch

[Bo_Fox]

No way, get real. 600mm^2 is not going to happen. The 8800GTX was about as big as it gets (about 480mm^2, I think).

Imagine the power consumption of a 600mm^2 die made at 65nm?!? I do not know if even 2x 8-pin PCI-E power connectors would be enough to power up this card (heck, Nvidia might have to put 3x 8-pin connectors)!

That is why I do not think it would be any more than 500mm^2, even if Nvidia cannot get it made at 55nm yet. Also, it would not make sense for Nvidia to do it at 65nm if 55nm is now already available and useful for saving costs, heat, and power consumption, and more...

[BenchZowner]

It's under 600mm2 but over 530mm2

[perkam]

the following is an approximation of my thoughts in july 2008:
holy crap, 9900gtx is beast. it will cost $599, 4870x2 and 9800gx2 wont touch it, it embodies the change you would expect from a new generation of cards....but it isnt lol, still a geforce 9. expect nvidia to have the best enthusiast card for another year or so. also, on the features front, hardware physics is nice.

Well, considering how fast ATI is coming out with these cards (2900 to 3800 to 4800), and how quickly it is trying to take away the lead the 9800 GX2 has established (ATI cards are set to come out in May), it would be foolhardy to assume ATI will sit back and watch the GT-200 keep the performance crown JUST because it represents a newer generation of cards.

I have no doubt that the GT-200 WILL take the crown, but expect ATI to respond quickly, even if it isnt the most convincing response i.e. they will release a card that gives close performance to it at a lower price range, but it might not beat it. I am not talking about the 4870 X2 here, which may be shortlived thanks to the GT-200. The 480/32/16 config is cheap and easy for ATI, and will most likely give it a sufficient boost to battle the 9800 series, as ATI likes to play catch up with Nvidia in an annoying tit-for-tat way.

However, the RV670 and RV770 represent architectures that have a lot in common with each other, and if Nvidia were to make the GT-200 a vastly powerful card (a single card beating the 9800GX2), ATI, while still on the same type of architecture, can probably go 640/32/16 or 480 /32/32 or any similar configuration with little difficulty considering how fast they are ramping up to smaller processes (45nm later this year). The worst case scenario for ATI would be that the GT-200 is far too powerful far too soon, forcing it to play a pricing game with Nvidia (which it can do considering the similar architecture to RV670), but with the inability to take a faster card out for at least 5-6 months after release (being stuck with possibly slower 48x0 until end of 2008). Worse case scenario for Nvidia is that it doesnt blow the 4870 at $299 or 4870 X2 at $499 out of the water (whichever price range it ends up in), which is unlikely, knowing Nvidia.

I would hate to see this being decided on a drivers war X(

Perkam

[adamsleath]

and if ati keeps making financial losses, they are at a considerable tax advantage...i mean do they even have to pay tax with losses like they have...seriously? i think it's a tax dodge

& this is not an ati bash/troll/rant, but seriously how does ati manage to make such vast losses year after year without accruing some sort of capital? they must have heaps of capital tied up somewhere...must be lots of ati dudes being paid however-good for them, but i reckon declaring large losses is a machiavellian way of evading bucketloads of tax.

knock knock it's the IRS

[sxs112]

1.6 TeraFLOPS
160GB/s bandwidth
DirectX 10.1/Shader Model 4.1

Fake

[Neuuubeh]

they must have heaps of capital tied up somewhere...

Gold bricks in the basement!

You all seem to have such high hopes for gt-200.. Oh well, should be able to step-up to it should the need arise

[Calmatory]

I find it strange as people say something like "Upcoming X is definitely going to be faster than Y by the other manufacturer", when no one really knows how X and Y perform. Accouding to last few rounds X has been on par or way better than Y, but when looking at the improvement Y has made past few months, it might be very possible that Y performs better than X. Also if we look back few years, X whipped Y quite badly few times.

Time will tell. No one really knows what X and Y are really in terms of price/performance/TDP.

[largon]

I don't get it why would nV stay on 65nm with "GT200" when 55nm seems to work fine for ATi.

Btw, what are these giga tixels in the fake screenshot?
:P

[Calmatory]

I don't get it why would nV stay on 65nm with "GT200" when 55nm seems to work fine for ATi.

Btw, what are these giga tixels in the fake screenshot?
:P

Maybe they get more working chips from the wafer when using 65nm process right now, or maybe they are very confidient with GT200, and want to take your money first, then shrink to 55nm and take your money again? There are people who are going to buy both 65nm and 55nm versions anyway. :p Maybe the chip is so damn complex and not som compatible with 55nm process without some major changes(= huge delays).

I don't know really, someone shall enlighten us!


...someone sucks at using MS Paint it seems. (looking at the screenshot, especially the flaw after the GTixels/s. )

[jaredpace]

Btw, what are these giga tixels in the fake screenshot?
:P

haha

What do you suppose the Tixel-Fallrate is?

[Barys]

Another GPU-Z screenshot NVIDIAs next gen GPU.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...&postcount=662

This time there is no GT200 name but D10E and has less SP (only 192) with much slower clock.

[BenchZowner]

Another GPU-Z screenshot NVIDIAs next gen GPU.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...&postcount=662

This time there is no GT200 name but D10E and has less SP (only 192) with much slower clock.

Another fake screenshot.

Guys, the more you bother with those silly screenshots, more people fiddle with MS Paint and create the famous & widespread nowadays bull***** threads "9238293GTX GPU-z" threads.

[GAR]

I'm still waiting for the "TRUE" next gen video card.........but every other game now is a damn console port and the extra power is going to be needed only for Crysis which i have beat 3 times already and do not plan on playing anymore.

[YukonTrooper]

I'm waiting for space aliens to come in the middle of the night and enlighten me on the meaning of life, but so far it hasn't happened.

[railmeat]

I sure as hell hope someone releases 1 great card again, thats single core with a ton of power to it.

getting sick of cards like the 3870 and 9800GTX which arent true high end cards...

"getting sick of cards like the 3870 and 9800GTX which arent true high end cards...[/QUOTE]"

i so agree with u,im grabbing a 9900gtx overnighted for sure!!!! 9800gtx was joke and a letdown stall move..bleh

[GAR]

I'm waiting for space aliens to come in the middle of the night and enlighten me on the meaning of life, but so far it hasn't happened.

Move to New Mexico

[Barys]

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...Slot/5740.html

Another rumour. They have said GT200 architecture might be Dual-Chip. I hope the don`t mean it`s something like GF9800GX2.

[v_rr]

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...Slot/5740.html

Another rumour. They have said GT200 architecture might be Dual-Chip. I hope the don`t mean it`s something like GF9800GX2.

What a Big lol if that get confirmed.

[perkam]

I'm waiting for space aliens to come in the middle of the night and enlighten me on the meaning of life, but so far it hasn't happened.

If you need space aliens to tell you the meaning of human life, I imagine you have no idea we have an entire field dedicated to philosophy

I am surprised at the amount of disinformation on the chip. It is the reason I pulled the last GT-200 (while I was still mod :p ).

Hopefully concrete info comes out (as it always does XD) right before ATIs offerings come to shelves.

Pekram

[twwen2]

If you read further in that thread, the VR-zone administrator says he has the schematics for the 9900GTX (or GT200) cooler, and is offering to put them up if ppl ask.
I'm no expert but would that give any clues as to what the pcb design might look like? I'm pretty sure that a dual-pcb card would be obvious straight away. A dual-chip (single pcb) however, might be a little more difficult to make out.
BenchZowner seems to know his stuff, maybe he can shed some light?

edit: here's the link to the "news" thread: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread...=268638&page=2

[Calmatory]

I'm still waiting for the "TRUE" next gen video card.........but every other game now is a damn console port and the extra power is going to be needed only for Crysis which i have beat 3 times already and do not plan on playing anymore.

Yeah, the "TRUE" being something like G80 to G70? Not gonna happen. They are not going to redesign the whole new architecture every time there is new series. It takes years. They have plans to release new stuff within a year or so. So they are working on a new architecture, which will be out in few years. Until then they keep modifying and improving the current one as much as possible whith costs as low as possible.

But yeah, not anyone does really care if it is "true" or not, as long as it performs well. ...and once they get that 280 min FPS @ Crysis @ max @ 2560x1600 @ 24x MSAA + 24x AF, they will STILL cry for the new toys which need to be AT LEAST 270% faster than the old ones, and HAVE to OC +70% or otherwise it is "recycled garbage" (I am not referring to anyone here!). :p

..I dont even start talking about consoles and consoleports, other than that they all suck indeed. :p

[w0mbat]

What a Big lol if that get confirmed.

Yes, w/ nearly 600mm² die-size they need a big PCB for the GT200.

[Barys]

If that pic is true NVIDIA will get serious trouble
http://www.bilgiustam.com/512mb-ati-...2006-testleri/

[BenchZowner]

If that pic is true NVIDIA will get serious trouble
http://www.bilgiustam.com/512mb-ati-...2006-testleri/

Single HD4870 beating the 9800GX2 by that much ?
Not in the biggest ATi daydreaming fanboy's wildest dream.

[w0mbat]

http://www.bilgiustam.com/ati-hd2900...rk06-testleri/

Fake site, fake benches -.-