I am amazed you are still responding... Can't we just agree to disagree?
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How come ? Are you inside my brain now ?
I know things, but not enough to have a crystal clear image, or "allowance" to mention more things that I did.
No, I am not in your head... I am just reading what you post.
I read between the lines of your posts and pick up some interesting tidbits.

Quote Originally Posted by BenchZowner View Post
If you want to game with 4xAA + you NEED them.
Really?
This is why it makes me so hard to believe anything you say when you say hilarious things like this.
AA is done on the shaders. 480SPs clocked at +900mhz will be fine.
16ROPs clocked at +900mhz w/ tweaks will also be fine.
Please remember what G92 is doing with "only" 16ROPs...

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Thing is, with what I've seen we're about to face another Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering limited card, yet with worse IQ than G8x/G9x/GT200.
How do you know this?
R600 IQ is on par with G80/G92, R600 has better AA and worse AF.
I would consider that a wash.
I don't see RV770 being AA limited, especially when it, probably, shouldn't be used on a monitor higher than 1680x1050. I also don't see it being obviously held back in the AF department, at least doubling the TMU/TFUs and tweaking some other things should alleviate the lack of texturing power that has been haunting the architecture.

Quote Originally Posted by BenchZowner View Post
Biggest issue in this situation is AMD's economy.
nVIDIA is playing "wait & strike" with AMD. If the HD4870X2 is good enough to beat let's say the 9800GX2, they can release a new card derived from GT200.
Even a new G92b dual card will more than likely do the trick.

Call me whatever you like, fanboy ? ? BS ?
I want ATi to be really competitive again ( if not surpass ) with nVIDIA, but the lack of a real high end part ( yet again ) and the architecture enhancements they seem to carry on the new HD4xxxx series... doesn't look good and surely not revolutionary.
We're bashing nVIDIA for their transitions from 65nm to 55nm with G92b.
On the other side ATi is doing the same ( HD2900 -> HD3xxx -> HD4xxx ) while they "can't afford it" because they're already lagging behind, they're not having a performance and/or IQ advantage like nVIDIA to have the ability to release new stuff that differ just a tiny bit from their "predecessors".
Here is another spot where I have to disagree with you.
AMD has some OBVIOUS advantages go into this next round and while they may or may not take the performance crown, they will certainly be MORE than competitive with whatever Nvidia can throw at them.