Nvidia confirms GT-200 with 1 billion transistors

[sonofander]

I really want all this to be true...

[DilTech]

Hmm your sources told you something about specs or expected performance? If GT200 is going to be released in June NVIDIA should have working samples at present

NVidia have had "Next Gen" samples out for quite some time, I heard of the earliest sample all the way back last summer, which is why I thought we'd have already on a consumer level. Thing is, rarely do they tell developers what the test samples are, they just give them prototype cards. As such, one can never be sure that what they see is what will be released(as was the case with the beginning prototype G80's), nor do they know if it is the next card to be released or if something else will come first(leading to claims of a new next-gen when it turns out to be a refresh).

Anyway, I've been hearing roughly the same as B.Z. stated earlier in the thread, only difference is the release time-line. Generally speaking, his sources and my sources agree most of the way down the line.

I want more than 512mb and more than 256bit, cuz I be going sli on a 30 inch screen this winter, or maybe even xfire if the new ATI cards are finally worth a damn.

The GT-200 should be 512bit with 1gb of ram.

[BenchZowner]

Just had a short conversation with my source.
He's now claiming a mid-June release for the GT200 high end part!

I'll try to "validate" the info from another contact of mine in the graphics industry.

[Swatrecon_]

Just had a short conversation with my source.
He's now claiming a mid-June release for the GT200 high end part!

I'll try to "validate" the info from another contact of mine in the graphics industry.

You know, I'm not saying you're bs'ing, but anyone could make something like this up.

[BenchZowner]

You know, I'm not saying you're bs'ing, but anyone could make something like this up.

Of course, anybody can come up with specs speculations and release date speculations, but this is not my game.

As you can read in the previous pages however, what I've posted ( as some might think it's just my speculation ) or I've been told, have been also given and posted by 2 more members ( not 2 out of the game members ).

That's all I have to say

[dengyong]

I hope your right, I'm waiting for them.

And thanks for the heads up.

[adamsleath]

nvidia smacks rv770 around the head with something i presume. :|

ati does something good....-> smacked down by nvida

amd does something good....-> smacked down by intel.

smack, smack ,smack. you've been naughty children and deserve to be punished (said in school marm voice)

[RPGWiZaRD]

Great news BenchZowner let's hope it's true but personally I always expected a summer release as Q4 wouldn't make sense to me as customers would get tired of getting spammed with the same old G92 cards and a lot would switch off to ATI especially when HD 4000 cards would be released and there would be no competition. They need to have something new fighting against HD 4000 series.

The earlier rumors could also very well be true then where it said 9800GX2 cards would get short lived with new highend card in a few months.

[sonofander]

June eh?

[GoldenTiger]

Just had a short conversation with my source.
He's now claiming a mid-June release for the GT200 high end part!

I'll try to "validate" the info from another contact of mine in the graphics industry.

That would be nice...

[DilTech]

Just had a short conversation with my source.
He's now claiming a mid-June release for the GT200 high end part!

I'll try to "validate" the info from another contact of mine in the graphics industry.

Matches what I've been hearing, like I stated earlier before you said you were hearing Q4.

The part is ready, prototypes have been out for awhile, NVidia have just been playing sit and wait and perfecting die-shrinks until AMD finally got close to ready to launch the 4870.

[Barys]

Matches what I've been hearing, like I stated earlier before you said you were hearing Q4.

The part is ready, prototypes have been out for awhile, NVidia have just been playing sit and wait and perfecting die-shrinks until AMD finally got close to ready to launch the 4870.

Do you know something about GT200s performance?

[C0ncrete]

So they plan to run with the GT200 name for model numbers.

Fresh name system and fresh architecture is what we need.

FINALLY.

[Jowy Atreides]

So they plan to run with the GT200 name for model numbers.

Fresh name system and fresh architecture is what we need.

FINALLY.

do you mean that nvidia are naming the 9900gtx gt200 instead?

[Barys]

So they plan to run with the GT200 name for model numbers.

Fresh name system and fresh architecture is what we need.

FINALLY.

How do you know it`s new architecture? I mean not based on G80/G9x architecture with more SPs, TMU etc.

[Jowy Atreides]

How dou you know it`s new architecture? I mean not based on G80/G9x architecture with more SPs, TMU etc.

well the first post says why...

"Jeff Brown stated openly and without asking to have been that the next architecture actually "GT-200".
The GPU will consist of approximately one billion transistors, and it was "pure logic, no memory as CPUs," said Nvidia Manager.
This enormous effort circuit coincides with previous rumors, according to which the GT-200 about 200 shader units.
Previous G80 and G92 GPUs bring a maximum of 128 of the computing engines."

thank goodness that new architectures are finally coming soon after this era of die shrinks

[jaredpace]

I say Gt-200 will be based off G92/G92b/G94. The major difference is that it will finally be 55nm, 1ghz core, 48-56rops, 256+ Shader units, 6ns 2400mhz+ memory speed (maybe gddr4/5), 512bit memory bus, 1gb & 2gb Vmem, Increased TMUS, etc. The 9800gt provided the drop to 55nm, while the 9-series in general made a head start on the revamped PCB lay-out and redesigned PWM circuitry. The bricks have been laid, and as said before the prototypes have been out now for a while. The logical progression from the timeless GTX g80.

Think 8800 GTS [g92] in all its possible glory.

[Jowy Atreides]

I say Gt-200 will be based off G92/G92b/G94. The major difference is that it will finally be 55nm, 1ghz core, 48-56rops, 256+ Shader units, 6ns 2400mhz+ memory speed (maybe gddr4/5), 512bit memory bus, 1gb & 2gb Vmem, Increased TMUS, etc. The 9800gt provided the drop to 55nm, while the 9-series in general made a head start on the revamped PCB lay-out and redesigned PWM circuitry. The bricks have been laid, and as said before the prototypes have been out now for a while. The logical progression from the timeless GTX g80.

Think 8800 GTS [g92] in all its possible glory.

the gt-200 is practically confirmed as 65nm unlike the 9800gt at 55nm,
it's also a new architecture and not g80 based like the last two generations (the 8 and 9 series)

gddr3 as well iirc

(edit, this is just what i've deducted from the threads on xs so far)

[Anemone]

1 If Nvidia was all "ready" and perfecting die shrinks this beast wouldn't be coming in at 65nm. 65nm tells me they were rushed because the 7xx series moved ahead of their predicted timeline.

2 It's DX10 only, not 10.1. Why? Because the rumour mill would be singing if it was 10.1 and it's not. The preview of 10.1 providing a 20% boost (probably less than that in real life, but there is AN improvement) shows that you may want 10.1. Nvidia is counting on the raw power of the chip to overshadow the lack of 10.1 support. That and they want to be sure you'll want a GT210 when they finally get the 10.1 support in.

I like the chip, don't get me wrong. But it highlights some things that Nvidia never does well, die shrinks being among them. Why do I say that? Because the original 8800 series took way too long to get die shrunk, over a year. That's not expertise, it's bumbling.

It's a good chip but it's the only serious one they'll have till 2010...

[BenchZowner]

I say Gt-200 will be based off G92/G92b/G94. The major difference is that it will finally be 55nm, 1ghz core, 48-56rops, 256+ Shader units, 6ns 2400mhz+ memory speed (maybe gddr4/5), 512bit memory bus, 1gb & 2gb Vmem, Increased TMUS, etc.

Your speculation about GT200 is Far Off.

P.S. There will be no nVIDIA card with GDDR4 ever.
And yes, there's a reason behind that ( not that GDDR4 is bad, but something else ) [ however, GDDR5 is better ]

1 If Nvidia was all "ready" and perfecting die shrinks this beast wouldn't be coming in at 65nm. 65nm tells me they were rushed because the 7xx series moved ahead of their predicted timeline.

55nm process isn't mature enough yet for so complicated architectures.
And if they can do it work fine @ 65nm, then there's no problem for them ( and as always, leaves an open window for a 55nm refresh later on )

2 It's DX10 only, not 10.1. Why?

Who said so ?
DX10 or DX10.1 ( chances are 10.1 ) it'll be a great GPU.

Because the rumour mill would be singing if it was 10.1 and it's not. The preview of 10.1 providing a 20% boost

Like you said... rumour mill

[Jowy Atreides]

does anyone else enjoy the speculation and rumour banter of graphics cards moreso than the releases themself?
(I admit I think this way)

I mean, when the 9900gtx (or gt200) is released that i'll just get my excitement jollies from the next big card
instead of the newly released tech

sure i'll buy it ...but will it play *insert latest scenester game here*?


(i hope I wasn't too offtopic in this post)

[YukonTrooper]

does anyone else enjoy the speculation and rumour banter of graphics cards moreso than the releases themself?
(I admit I think this way)

Depends who starts the speculation. The last page in this thread has me really excited. I pay close attention when BenchZowner comes out of the woodwork with information. This coupled with the fact that DilTech is hearing the same thing, has caught my attention more than FUD could ever hope to.

Let's hope this is all true and that AMD releases their new card ASAP, so we can see this GT200 monster.

[Anemone]

Because so large a chip @ 65nm is going to be a barn burner. Now, to be fair, around here, that's not such a big worry because we know how to cool things. But it will still be hot and suck power @ 65...

I'll honestly be surprised if it's 10.1. Don't really care if ddr3/4/5 as long as it's got the bandwidth to drive 2560 with ease

Even more interesting will be if they can manage a slightly cut down mobile version that they can then use in a 9900GX2 fashion. I can dream anyway

[BenchZowner]

By the way, the die size is ( from what I've been told ) under 600mm2

[cajer]

By the way, the die size is ( from what I've been told ) under 600mm2

Under 600mm2? Isn't that pretty big considering that the 8800gtx was aroudn 425mm2?