** OFFICIAL ** Intel DX38BT & DX48BT2 BoneTrail Thread

[RRGHOST2006]

ok im trying all the settings the way you stated but not the
VDIMM volt to the memory that is now set to 1.82V and it did the same as above except no display
just a black screen ......it even hit a point of monitor on for 1 second
then the monitor turned itself off

just reporting what is happening

i will try the other settings you stated now

BACK TO MAINTENACE MODE WE GO

[RRGHOST2006]

Vcore (1.3500V)
Processor (Multiplier Override X8) <ORIGINALY X9>
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)

Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (8-8-8-24)
Memory Voltage (1.74)

RESULT = NO POST

[gtj]

what's the purpose of putting the RAM in the black slots? does that force a 2T command rate or something?

There's a note in the X48 Memory Configuration guide that states that if only 2 dimms are used, then they should be in the furthest slots on each channel. Since the X38 is the same chip and since GHOST is using 2gb sticks I thought it might help.

[gtj]

ok im trying all the settings the way you stated but not the
VDIMM volt to the memory that is now set to 1.82V and it did the same as above except no display
just a black screen ......it even hit a point of monitor on for 1 second
then the monitor turned itself off

just reporting what is happening

i will try the other settings you stated now

BACK TO MAINTENACE MODE WE GO

OK, if the system powers on but you get no video, try holding the power button down for 5 seconds until the board powers off, then push the power button again and see if it starts with video. Whenever I completely power down my system from the power supply, I have to do this.

[RRGHOST2006]

Vcore (DEFAULT)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.70)

RESULT = NO POST

I have not been able to get that power button trick to work for me ?
I Have Tried That Since Your First Post Of It Before I Was A Member

USING memtest86 v2.01 i passed all test at default settings
so i now know my memory isnt bad

Vcore (1.3500v)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (333)

4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (200 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.50)

RESULT = NO POST

Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (8-8-8-24)
Memory Voltage (1.74)

RESULT = NO POST

Vcore (1.3750v)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (AUTO)
Memory Frequency (AUTO)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (AUTO)

RESULT = NO POST

NO POST = NO DISPLAY

Do You Think Clocking It Faster Than 333
MAYBE TURNING THE MULTIPLIER UP FROM 9 TO 10 ???????
Would Help Get It More Or Less Stable????????????????

Again Sorry For All The Questions

ALSO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW

THERE IS AN OPTION UNDER PERFORMANCE MEMORY PROFILES .
TO SET MY RAM TO Profile 1

which reads as followed

Reference Frequency <DEFAULT>
Memory Frequency 1333 MHZ (((((((SET IN BLACK LETTERS)))))))
7
7
7
20
74
4
8
5
5
VDIMM 1.90V

SHOULD I TRY TO USE THAT IM GUESSING THE SYSTEM
CREATED IT CAUSE I DIDNT?????!!!!!!!?????????

[Manel]

Ghost
What BIOS version are you using now? the latest 1521? If not maybe consider flahing, for me it solved a lot of mem issues.
Mem profile would be a thing to test definatelly. I see that the profile sets the vMEM to 1.9V, what is your mem rated voltage anyway? If it's 1.9v than don't use a much lower one, surelly will not boot. I see you trying 1.7v which is much lower than rated for that mem, according to the profile. if the manufacturer states this voltage you shouldn't be able to boot with a much lower one, maybe a notch or two. Also, these modules are higher density 2Gb modules which makes it worse I'd say.
Try 1.9V if that's what they're rated at.
you can also try CAS9 or 2T command rate for looser timings.
good luck, this is a tough board to tune at first but as soon as you get it going you'll love it.

[RRGHOST2006]

Bios Version 1521
My Memory Voltage Is Rated At 1.7v

Where Is That Cas9 You Are Referring To Located?

Vcore (1.3625)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
I USED THE PROFILE 1 AS STATED ABOVE FOR THIS FAILURE

RESULT = NO POST

Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (266)

LEAVING ALL ABOVE SETTINGS AT DEFAULT
EXCEPT ENHANCED POWER SLOPE

4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS

ALL RAM SETTINGS PROFILE 1

RESULT = NO POST

DOES IT MATTER AND SHOULD IT HAVE THIS????.

XD TECHNOLOGY ---------ENABLED
VT TECHNOLOGY----------DISABLED
INTEL (R) VT FOR DIRECTED I/O (VT-d) ---DISABLED

Im Really Trying Everything I Can Think Of
But This Board Is Really Stubborn

With 1 Stick I Can Overclock The Clock To 333
Leave All Ram Setting At Default And I Have No Problems

But With 2 ------im In Hell

Ok Well After Thinking A Little

That Into Which I Know I Should Not Do Anymore

I Tried Upping The Clock To 366
And Now Im Getting The Unforgiving 3 Beep Error
While Trying To Enter Maintance Mode

But Luckily After Pulling The Plug
Pressing The Power Button (draining The Power)
The Removing The Jumper Completely
Then Plugging It Back In ....waiting Like 2 Seconds
Then Powering Up
It Went Through Multiple 3 Second Reboots Then
I Drained It Once Again
Put The Jumper Back In Maintenace Mode
And Powered Up
The Beeps Went Away And I Am Now In Maintance Mode

Luckily!!!!

Hell Is Now Officially An Understatement

With 1 Stick And Vcore At 1325.0
Clock At 333

Everything Is Running Great
-----------------------------------------
But Thats Only 1 Stick

I Really want to use both sticks but im really lost about now

[xMrBunglex]

don't be afraid to give your computer some juice. this north bridge runs very cool. set your vMCH to 1.45 and give your memory 1.9 or 1.94V. you won't hurt it.

your memory says it's rated to run at 1.7V, but that could be for the SPD profile. SPD sucks - it usually has very conservative speed and timings set. what you want is the XMP profile, which requires 1.9V, according to what i've read. now chin up and go overclock it! we all know how frustrating it can be to learn this motherboard's ins and outs, but it's very rewarding once you get there.

[RRGHOST2006]

thanks for the advice mr.bungle this is the first time i have seen
bios with 4 gigs installed

i am now testing with memtest86
running test....7 sequence c-1-3-7.

208 errors so far i think i am there just not quite yet


Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Vmch (1.45)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.94)


RESULT = POST

I Dont Want To Change Anything Without The Consent
Of You Xtreme Team Members So I Will Wait Until Further Notice
Of What I Need To Change Since You Guys Have Gotten Me This Far!

[xMrBunglex]

have you tried setting your reference frequencies to 333/1333? the other settings you have are known to be good based on what the rest of us are running. i'm starting to wonder if you have a bad stick of RAM. you said you pulled one stick and you ran stable. did you try putting just the other stick in and testing for stability? it's possible that one of your RAM sticks is bad.

[xMrBunglex]

i just checked the manuals for both the BT and the BT2 (they're the same). they both say that DIMM A0 must always have a stick of RAM in it. it says to use the blue slots if you have two sticks of RAM, not the black ones.

Regardless of the memory configuration used (dual or single channel), Channel A, DIMM 0 must always be populated. This is a requirement of the ICH9R Manageability Engine feature.

so how many of you guys are running two sticks in the black slots with the blue ones empty? i've had mine in the blue slots from the beginning.

[Anubi]

If only running with 2 sticks the black slots are better from a technical stand point. With DDR3 the signal termination for the DDR channel is on the DIMM, if the DIMM is in the first slot, the signal travels from the MCH, down the DDR channel, part goes up the first slot and terminates in the DIMM. But part continues down the DDR channel to the second slot and because it's empty it doesn't have any termination. This causes it to reflect, effectively the signal bounces off the end of the pins in the empty slot and the reflecting signal can mess up the good signal at the first DIMM.

[gtj]

If only running with 2 sticks the black slots are better from a technical stand point. With DDR3 the signal termination for the DDR channel is on the DIMM, if the DIMM is in the first slot, the signal travels from the MCH, down the DDR channel, part goes up the first slot and terminates in the DIMM. But part continues down the DDR channel to the second slot and because it's empty it doesn't have any termination. This causes it to reflect, effectively the signal bounces off the end of the pins in the empty slot and the reflecting signal can mess up the good signal at the first DIMM.

Exactly...

Also, GHOST is using XMP memory which has additional SPD entries and that didn't register with me until he mentioned seeing "profiles" on his memory page. Intel states that the black slots are to be used with XMP memory and only 2 sticks.

http://www.intel.com/personal/gaming/extremememory.htm
This is the X48 memory tuning guide but it now applies to the X38 with the latest BIOS.
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...s/31912501.pdf

[RRGHOST2006]

as soon as I get home (shortly)
I will try it with the settings you have
stated 1333/333 I'm hoping it is the
Last ingredient to this recipe

As I stated I have never gotten as far
as I am now so I think I am almost
where I need to be.

I want to thank everyone for all your
help so far
I'm really glad I'm a member of such
a great community (forum)
I've never had so much help from a
forum in my life and I was registered
to a bunch of diffrent forums
and I am not blowing smoke up
anyones @$$

after getting the memory where I need it

Eventually


is it possible to up my fsb ( processor clock )further than
333 I'm just wondering whats my limit???

Like x10
Maybe clock 400 ????????
???????
???????

[xMrBunglex]

Ghost, i think you can get your FSB as high as 450 using the 333/1333 reference clocks. beyond that, you might have to use 400/1600.

GTJ and Anubi, thank you very much. especially GTJ. without you, i probably would have thrown my BT in the trash a long time ago. i'll try the black slots and renew my efforts to hit DDR 1800 memory. i had just begun to accept DDR 1500, even though i wasn't terribly happy about it.

[RRGHOST2006]

Ok Im Home Now And I Have Tried 1333/333

All Settings The Way I Stated Earlier

Result = No Post
==================================

All Settings The Same As Above Profile 1
Ram Settings

Result = No Post

Vcore (1.3625)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Vmch (1.45)
Processor Clock Override (400)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.94)

COMMAND RATE (2T)

RESULT = NO POST/CONSTANT REBOOTS
AND NOW THE DAMN 3 BEEP ERROR
LUCKILY I DO KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT

Im Pretty Sure The Vcore Needs To Stay At 1.3500v

WE WILL CALL THIS SETTING
----------------------------------------------
-> ((((((((((( A1 ))))))))))) <-
-------------------------------------------------------
DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS THE ONLY SETTING I HAVE EVER SEEN BIOS IN
WITHOUT MULTIPLE FREEZING - 3 BEEP ERROR - OR NO POST
WHILE USING 2 STICK AKA 4 GIGS OF RAM

Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Vmch (1.45)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.94)

All Settings Set To ((((( A1 )))))
Except Vdimm (1.90)

Result = Post

Memtest86 Test 7 (c-1-3-7)
Result = 56 Errors

Well I Guess Thats Good Its 145 Errors Less Than The Last

[xMrBunglex]

have you tried a 2T command rate? it sounds like you're getting better - going from 1T to 2T could put you over the top and make you stable.

on my end, i flashed from the 1507 BIOS to 1521 and moved my memory from the blue slots to the black slots. i was able to pass Memtest at DDR 1720 7-7-7-20 2T timings. over 10,000 MB/s on the Everest memory read benchmark. i'm going to run Orthos overnight before i try to push further. i had a good night overclocking though - thanks to everyone that helped me get this far. my settings (which haven't been refined yet - i'm still looking for the sweet spot):

430 FSB x 9 (3.865 GHz CPU)
1.325 vCore (actual is 1.29 idle/ 1.27 load)
1.35 vFSB
1.45 vMCH
Enhanced Power Slope On
PCI-E @ 101.32 MHz

333/1333 ref freq (which puts the memory at DDR 1718)
7-7-7-20-74-4-8-5-5 2T @ 2.02 vDIMM

i'm very close to DDR 1800 now. i'll do it if i don't have to loosen my timings too much.

[RRGHOST2006]

I Have Had It Put To 2t Ever Since I Heard Everyone Talking About The Black Slots I Figured That I Should Try And Utiize That As Well
......the Less Things Spd Has To Decide The Better My Chances

What Is And Where Would I Obtain And How Would I Use Orthos ?

And I See Your Fsb Voltage Has Been Raised I Never Touched Mine Do You Think That Might Be A Problem

A1 + 1 change

Vcore (1.3500)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
FSBv override (1.225)*****************RAISED 1 NOTCH
Vmch (1.45)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (266 MHZ)
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.90)

COMMAND RATE (2T)


RESULT = FAIL

Hmmm Im Starting To Think Everything Is Good On The Processor Side .....i Think I Have To Start Changing Things On The Ram Side

[Sean-E-Boy]

Ghost, i think you can get your FSB as high as 450 using the 333/1333 reference clocks. beyond that, you might have to use 400/1600.

MB, one thing i think we need to consider here is that the native FSB on the Q6600 is 1066, not 1333, so without adjusting processor multi down (which i have never been able to get to work...always reverts back to 10 once in windows for me) i doubt that the processor/fsb are capable of jumping from 266-450...that is a 69&#37; overclock!

and Ghost, i am working on writing up a detailed procedure for memory as per our last communication.

Sean

[RRGHOST2006]

Thanks Sean I Appreciate All Your Help Dude

Thanks Sean I Appreciate All Your Help Dude !

Im Not Quite Sure Why That Profile 1 Is Even There Everytime I Use It I Cant Boot To Bios???

[Anubi]

Ghost, since your CPU is normally 1066 (266 MHz clock) try setting the Reference Frequency to Auto instead of 266. It might work better for you.

Sean, what tools are you using to measure the CPU multiplier in windows? A lot of them don't work correctly as there are lots of different ways for software to try to read the multiplier. Many pieces of software just read the max multiplier not what is really being used.

The most recent versions of CPUz seem to work pretty well. CPUz now shows something like "x 7 (6 - 10)" where 7 is the multiplier the CPU is currently running at and (6 - 10) is the range the CPU is capable of running at. If you run your favorite stress app, such as Orthos, you should see the first number jump up to what you have selected the multiplier to be from BIOS. I don't think older versions of CPUz show all this information correctly.

[xMrBunglex]

i doubt that the processor/fsb are capable of jumping from 266-450...that is a 69% overclock!

i know. i know his memory wouldn't be able to hit DDR 1800 either. i was just talking about boot straps in relation to FSB and probably didn't make myself terribly clear. it was more of a hypothetical for Ghost.

on my end, i failed Orthos at six hours with my memory at DDR 1720. i decided it wasn't worth it and just went back to DDR 1500 7-7-7-18 1T. my computer is actually quicker and more responsive with my memory set slower with tighter timings anyway. i guess all i have to do now is lower my volts one at a time to find the minimum stable level and wait for DDR 1800 memory with tight timings to become cheaper

[RRGHOST2006]

All Tests Pass Using Memtest86 With Both Sticks Inserted.

As Far As Memtest Can Tell None Of My Ram Is Bad

Im Trying What You Said Right Now Anubi....thanks

[Sean-E-Boy]

Ok, in the attached Word doc is what I did with my system (and I had already been OCing the CPU without really messing with the memory).

The initial trick here is to know what voltage settings will result in a stable system at your desired CPU overclock, in your case, 333x9 while having the memory ref and freq at something well below what you are trying to reach, say 333/800 instead of 333/1333. That way, you can rule out “is my vCore or my vFSB too low” and just increase the vMCH or tweak memory voltages and or timings. Hell, if you have to, drop it all the way down to 400/800

Sean

and Anubi, i have been looking at multi in CPU-z, never see that range thing come up on my computer. I always assumed that when you saw that on a screen shot it meant that they had an ES or Extreme series chip. mine is just plain ol retail.

[RRGHOST2006]

Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Vmch (1.45)
Processor Clock Override (333)


4 GIGS 2 STICKS - BOTH IN BLACK SLOTS
Reference Memory (DEFAULT)******************* 1 CHANGE
Memory Frequency (1066 MHZ)
TIMINGS (7-7-7-20)
Memory Voltage (1.94)

RESULT = BOOT TO BIOS

MEMTEST86 TEST 7 RESULT = 27 FAIL

I think this is as close as i have gotten so far
now im beginning to wonder does my ram
being that it is 1333 , i mean even the XMP PROFILE 1 states it as well .......
Does my ram need to be set to 1333
In the Memory Frequency are being that it is 1333 RAM.
and with the FSB at 333
I think it would make it more legible

WHAT DO YOU THINK?>/??????????