Thermochill cheat? (Who can read portugese)

[teko]

Write thermochill and ask? Or head over to their forums and ask? Personaly I couldn't care less as long as it performs the best, there isn't a problem, would be alot worse if they had put alu in there.. Or startet to test them with jet engines and 500 degree water..

[Waterlogged]

This has already been discussed on XS. Start @ post #33 of this topic. In the end, this is a pointless discussion because the TC's are still kicking everyone else in the arse with low/mid RPM fans, low pressure drop and total overall heat dissipation.

[NaeKuh]

I wonder how many radiator companies are now going to use this idea.

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

[Waterlogged]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

I think Feser just found their first rad customer.

[2000army]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

Sometimes I wonder if you just post to post

[teko]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

Same is a ferrari, people still buy them for a reason..

[Rob_B]

It is in german. But it has been said on the aquatuning site for a long time.
http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...ator-G3-8.html

Nice "cheat". I have just ordered a PA120.3 to use next to my PA120.2

[Catz]

Ok fair enough they still do great with the temps and all...

BUT the point where this becomes a cheat is in tests like Martin did (martins liquid lab) to check out the Flow. Ofcourse there are no rules in making those radiators BUT the flow drop is only low on TC's because they use this sneaky trick.

Now if for example Feser would do the same they would kick some ass in the flow charts because feser is already nearly at the level of TC "WITHOUT" using this trick.

And let's be reasonable, the reason that you buy a TC is because of his heat qualities AND his flow qualities. And now you are just putting a lot more money on the table for JUST cooling (which is only a little better then the rest).

I hope i made my point because i'm still only a dutch guy from amsterdam

[weihk]

Ok fair enough they still do great with the temps and all...

BUT the point where this becomes a cheat is in tests like Martin did (martins liquid lab) to check out the Flow. Ofcourse there are no rules in making those radiators BUT the flow drop is only low on TC's because they use this sneaky trick.

Now if for example Feser would do the same they would kick some ass in the flow charts because feser is already nearly at the level of TC "WITHOUT" using this trick.

And let's be reasonable, the reason that you buy a TC is because of his heat qualities AND his flow qualities. And now you are just putting a lot more money on the table for JUST cooling (which is only a little better then the rest).

I hope i made my point because i'm still only a dutch guy from amsterdam

have you cut open a feser rad for a look then?

[Pedalmonkey]

@ remcokatz. did you not read martinm's post. water will follow the path of least resistance. unless something is blocking the tubes thru the acctual rad very very little water will go thru the hole. The fact is the thermochill even with this "uncooled, unrestricted water" beats every other rad company in flow and heat disiapation as tested so far.

[Navanod]

This has already been discussed on XS. Start @ post #33 of this topic. In the end, this is a pointless discussion because the TC's are still kicking everyone else in the arse with low/mid RPM fans, low pressure drop and total overall heat dissipation.

Argh! You beat me to it by a day
Those people crying "cheat" can try patching one up and do a before/after test on flowrate and temp
At the very worst, I'll just say its a lousy quality control imperfection

[Catz]

have you cut open a feser rad for a look then?

i'm talking with martin from feser on a daily base ... i don't believe he would lie to me

[LinusTech]

For crying out loud, guys.... This is the second thread I've seen on this since the announcement of the Feser X-changer.

There is no conspiracy, and there is no cheat. It's a design choice that was made likely to simplify filling/draining, as well as lower restriction a little bit. It doesn't affect your performance, and if it does, obviously Thermochill made the decision that the effect on performance is outweighed by the improved flow rate.

If a toilet paper company finds a way to use less paper to produce the same length roll of TP, while maintaining pillowy softness, is it a hack? Are they cheating? You still get to wipe your *** the same number of times with it.

It's a stupid analogy, but the point is, your Thermochill radiator performs the way it performs. Until proven otherwise, that's the best in the industry. It has a gap that allows water to pass from one side to the other without actually going through the tubes, and it has great flowrate. There are the facts.

Maybe initially it was a mistake (like with the FuZion, the gap between the midplate that improved flow but decreased performance by about .5-1 degree), but I'm sure they noticed (Cathar's mama didn't raise no fool), tested, and determined that it was a fair trade-off.

[Xilikon]

LOL... It seems a lot of people forget that water take the path of least resistance and Martin calculated that. the performance difference is almost nil, even within the tight error margin.

[itznfb]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

lol,,,,, since when is being the best, over rated?

maybe de-crowned by the Feser but it's also $40 more

[yngndrw]

My god, ThermoChill are using hacks and aimbots - Let's ban them.

ThermoChill have obviously made this design decision which probably results in a tradeoff between two things. (Flow restriction and cooling.) Despite this, they are still on top. THAT is why people like myself use ThermoChill radiators.

ThermoChill make excellent products and have equally excellent customer service. This is not a "cheat", it is merly part of their design.

[iandh]

thermochills are over rated and overpriced.

From what I've heard they are only overpriced here in NA because of import fees, and we're lucky to be getting them at the price we pay... evidently the profit margin is microscopic.

That said, I am a cheapskate SOB so I typically will go with MCR320's. I do love Thermochill rads though, besides the hokey paint.

[Catz]

My god, ThermoChill are using hacks and aimbots - Let's ban them.

ThermoChill have obviously made this design decision which probably results in a tradeoff between two things. (Flow restriction and cooling.) Despite this, they are still on top. THAT is why people like myself use ThermoChill radiators.

ThermoChill make excellent products and have equally excellent customer service. This is not a "cheat", it is merly part of their design.

Something in my body is resisting to listen to you... you are bashing firefox man :'(

From what I've heard they are only overpriced here in NA because of import fees, and we're lucky to be getting them at the price we pay... evidently the profit margin is microscopic.

That said, I am a cheapskate SOB so I typically will go with MCR320's. I do love Thermochill rads though, besides the hokey paint.

haha i'd rather put a custom heatsink from you on my 8800gt then a waterblock attached to ANY radiator

[Waterlogged]

I'm starting to think that all the ppl screaming the TC is using this as a hack are working for Feser/Swiftech/HWL/Coolingworks in some capacity. With the math provided by Martin and the sound reasoning by Xilikon in the link I provided, there is very little anyone can say to make A SMALL GAP (and not the 1/2" tubing some of you would have us believe) sound like the reason the TC's flow so well. Besides, it's still cools better than any other rad per dBA.

[Catz]

I'm starting to think that all the ppl screaming the TC is using this as a hack are working for Feser/Swiftech/HWL/Coolingworks in some capacity. With the math provided by Martin and the sound reasoning by Xilikon in the link I provided, there is very little anyone can say to make A SMALL GAP (and not the 1/2" tubing some of you would have us believe) sound like the reason the TC's flow so well. Besides, it's still cools better than any other rad per dBA.

I do not work for feser neither did i get this info from feser.

I found that thermochill cheat article myself while i was looking on some cooling forums.

So yes i do like feser but NO i'm not an idiot that isn't open for debate. If you guys give me a solid reason why it is not a cheat i will listen to it and most likely say your right

Because right now everyone thinks they are right because that is what they believe in... That might also be the problem with this so called "thermochill cheat" because there are no regulations.. but if i look at the trick used by tc, the first thing comes to my mind is "FAUL PLAY".

[weihk]

I do not work for feser neither did i get this info from feser.

I found that thermochill cheat article myself while i was looking on some cooling forums.

So yes i do like feser but NO i'm not an idiot that isn't open for debate. If you guys give me a solid reason why it is not a cheat i will listen to it and most likely say your right

Because right now everyone thinks they are right because that is what they believe in... That might also be the problem with this so called "thermochill cheat" because there are no regulations.. but if i look at the trick used by tc, the first thing comes to my mind is "FAUL PLAY".

tell you what, go buy 3 TC rad, cut them all open and see if all of them have the same hole.

otherwise all i see is that hole you lot see might just be a badly made rad that somehow passed QC.

if you dont have any solid evidence saying TC is doing this in purpose then you dont have any ground to stand on.

see one hole in one rad out of thousands made and calling a company cheating is just the same as sh*tting out of your mouth.

[coolmiester]

I just can’t comprehend how anyone would think this was “fowl play” or “cheating”

Thermochill radiators have been around for ages now for anyone to chop up and identify how they are made so it sounds more like sour grapes for not doing so rather than fowl play on Thermochill behalf as at this stage it could be deemed as a clever design rather than a “trick” (if indeed its not a manufacturing flaw as at this point in time its one rad out of many that these accusations based upon)

How can it be fowl play if there are no rules or guidelines to adhere to and given there are none, who and how do you consider they are cheating???

[Xilikon]

I see this as a manufacturing limitation. From what I saw, the divider is not just a plate but have a bent edge. Bending the edge around while matching the shape of the baffle is pretty hard so there is a possible gap at the corners.

If they build them with no gap by making more precise work, the cost will go up with no real benefit for the end users so think about that

[Xilikon]

Can I smell Feser shill ?