Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[justapost]

Here's stock Sandra [512MB access] Phenom 9850 BE bandwidth compared - they are our own results, upper two are mine and lower two are Achim's;
Phenom 9850 BE 2.5G 1066 Unganged vs Phenom 9850 BE 2.8G 800 Ganged vs Phenom 9600 BE 2.3G 1066 vs QX6850 2.33G 1066

You could have also used the 3.6GHz result for the qx. Will try your sandra results file here today, i laos prepared a few other sandra benches on the weekend.

You're welcome - I have benched 2.4GNB, required 1.325VID

Thx, seems i had too low chipset voltages in the way here. Dropped the 2.8/2.2 stability test in favour of 2.9/2.2 with 1.35V for the CPU.

My 9600BE required 1.4VID for 2.4G NB stable, but soon, it degraded... I have a strong suspicion that its not the cores that degrade but the IMC LOL

Never used high NB speeds on my BE9600 i had to on the 9500 can be that's why one stopped working and the other not.

The cores not responding happened with me too but at anything above 2.6G with the 9850BE. I've not checked for 9850BE, so far it seems fine. I just need to GFX damn drivers working and I'll be happy to test in it
Hmm.. you know, I always Memtest any setting and never rely on what happens in-windows because windows thinks too much is stable, so it was actually the opposite for me

Hmm tried to install ubuntu on the GBT780G with an 9600BE but i cant get the installer working even in save mode, gdm restarts every few seconds.

Never had issues with the HD's under linux. Always builded packages for the os im on with the installer from AMD, will try it on the other setup later.

9600BE did 626 5-5-5-15-11 2.15v stable but 9850BE did not do that setting stable even at 2.3v. 9850BE did not run even 560 that setting stable at 2.2v, Memtest failed at Test#6, second run.

In-Windows, I've had more stability than B2 though, benched 638 5-5-5-15-11 2.2v which was not possible before. To check if it is better, I need higher HT and to test 500 4-4-4-4 1T 2.2v. B2 never had this stable but could easily bench it. Still it isn't really stable setting for me, just not crashing yet, Memtest shows it with many errors.

My this set of D9 is good, I can drop to 1.8v real 1066 5-5-5-15-13 and bench it in-windows perfectly fine - but it won't be Memtest stable, it needs 2.05v for that.
1.5v HT voltage is needed? That's a first that I've seen, I have benched 2596MHz HT at stock 1.2v and even 260-274HT at that voltage across quite a few Phenoms

Thank you for sharing this. Still have no clear picture about memory voltages here, that will require more testing here. seems higher NB speeds lead to higher voltage requirements for the ram too atm.

[Oldguy932]

I probably didn't need all 1.5v, but the board was running it at 1.375 and it wasn't enough. The other thing is that since its only a 590 board I don't know what the nb or the l3 are running at. I'll put it back under the vapo later and see if I can do anything different. At least that board doesn't have vdroop from 1.33 down to 1.26 with this chip.

Edit: Put the chip back under the vapo. I decided to try the 7x ht link to see if it would help, and it got me to boot up at 262 htt. Problem is that I can't get windows to start at that speed so it doesn't really mater. It always freezes at the windows logo before the logon screen.

I'm really starting to think that its the memory controller on these B2's that hate the cold rather than the entire chip. I just booted into windows with 260x11.5, I have the memory set to ddr2-400 setting, nb and ht link at 9x. If I set it to 533 I'm willing to bet that windows won't boot because the imc can't handle the cold. I'll do some more testing later, need to get to school soon.

[BrowncoatGR]

Hmm tried to install ubuntu on the GBT780G with an 9600BE but i cant get the installer working even in save mode, gdm restarts every few seconds.

Do yourself a favor and use the alternative install. It is more reliable. ncurses ftw. fancy ui installers are really a waste of time better contributed to fixing bugs.

[jonspd]

Could someone with the MSI plat please try beta 1.13 with the 9850 and post there findings as far as muilt's go? If they work or if they don't.

[justapost]

Do yourself a favor and use the alternative install. It is more reliable. ncurses ftw. fancy ui installers are really a waste of time better contributed to fixing bugs.

Normaly using debian therefore.
Grabbing ubuntu-7.10-alternate-amd64.iso now.

[d412k5t412]

not sure if anyone has notice but, there are 3 new drivers at MSI's website. Ethernet, Audio, and Chipset.

Has anyone tried any other bios with the 9850? Im getting mine tomorrow and just wanted to see which is the best right now.

KTE: Which bios are you getting 1066 unganged?

[BrowncoatGR]

I have a question as i'm trying to decide which board to buy. Can the PCI-E x16 slots be used for anything other than GFX cards? I want to pick up a higher end board only because of the better pwm's i dont need crossfire and i'd like to have some expansion options. I know that according to the specs you should be able to, i'm just wondering if it actually works.

[batmang]

Aight, I'm done tinkering with my 9600. I don't want to or plan to buy aftermarket cooling. I figured I'd try and maximize my setup. No increasing ANY voltage to keep temps as close to stock as possible. I think I've done that. Video card is at 830MHz core / 1205MHz memory. Here are my results. 100% stable wooooooot, 100MHz OC!

3DMark06
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6174397

Crysis 1.2 | Medium Quality | 1680x1050 | DX9 | 32Bit
48FPS

Everest - Photoworkx


Screenshot
http://jmbat.com/media/phenomoc/phen...int4_11004.jpg

[JumpingJack]

Aight, I'm done tinkering with my 9600.

What version of everest are you running? EDIT: Oooops, it says in the screen shot... sorry.

[aGeoM]

Wow, fireworks?

Seems you have a compatibility issue with it. I get that if I start RMClock, computer shuts down instantly, right that second!

I have no idea why that could be, quite frankly. check C:\Program Files\AMD\OverDrive folder for the logs. They should have errors in them. If they do, post those errors back, we can look over them and Sami may look over it and be able to advise you better

Hint:-
If you want AOD to start quickly and with bare minimum needed to oc, then go into C:\Program Files\AMD\OverDrive and cut/paste the file PageSettings.xml to a safe folder outside of this folder [as I've shown earlier].

Now go back into C:\Program Files\AMD\OverDrive and move the file PageSettings.xml I'm attaching with this post in there.

Now tell me how quick and trouble free AOD opens

Vista, just find the directory for the same file and do the same procedure.

Thanks, for the file, no logs here before.

I went to CPU DID,HTT,HT and NB default speeds, left VID's at my last configuration (CPU=1.468;CPU-NB=1.331;DRAM=2.21;SB-PLL=1.30;NB-CORE=1.290;NB-PCI=1.250;NB-HT=1.320) and AOD runs OK, changed HTT in 2 10MHz steps then froze.

AOD boots fine until HTT=245 from bios, after that "Fire Works", maybe have to do with BOOT HTT setting in BIOS, cuz I have to set it to 250 if I wanna boot at HTT=250, or else (25) error.

All this testing was done with and without your page settings file.

Last Log file.

[KTE]

Well well... I switched system off, cleared CMOS before wanting to flash a new BIOS around 40 hours back and the system, like the previous ones - did not boot for 20 hours in a row
It booted ~6am this morning randomly. I asked for further info today, and news has it, that this is a BIOS problem but not just on this board, on a few others too. It obviously is a problem, since that's 4 new Phenoms now, 3 boards, 3 PSUs, 2 different RAM kits and 2 different GPUs all of which work without errors in other systems.

So, first note:-
Out of all the 9850BE's I've seen so far, mine is the weakest and poorest one.

Second note:-
I still have those dreaded idling freezing issues and I'll explain how they occur more. I tested 2860CPU 2220HT 2220NB today, stock 1.296v ID / 1.280v LD volts. Don't recall idle temps, but load temps were 36-38C after 30minutes EVEREST stability test loads. I don't remember which version it was, but one of the last 4.20 versions of EVEREST fixed many issues and now, on Phenoms, the core load is very high and susceptibility to catch errors very good.
Anyway, after I switched it off, ran PassMark but still had the PrntScrn screenshot in Clipboard not saved. Just trying to open the menu 70 seconds after those benchmarks and it froze.

Dropped down one at a time to 2800. Still froze.
Then started increasing voltage and kept rebooting every time it froze.
I am now at 1.36v ID and 1.328v load, at 2806CPU. This is now full load and idling stable for 1 minute short of 5 hours, more than others. It seems I will need much higher voltage to get near 2900CPU stable. From a quick try, I don't think it's possible without 1.45v ID and 1.42v load minimum.

Load stable is a totally different story. Can do that at 2950CPU 1.4v without problems.
Idle stability, major problems unless you increase volts pretty high.

Third note:-
3000CPU is now no way stable, meaning even 1.55v load will not get it load/bench stable like before.

Fourth note:-
Barcelona, Phenom and Toliman are now being offered by Gateway, Acer, HP, Sun, and Dell. Only remember the Gateway E-9232T, E-9722R, E-9522R, E-9422R and GT series, Dell OptiPlex 740, Acer Aspire M5100, HP Pavillion, HP Compaq, Sun blade/cluster/server lines, HP ProLiant DL585 G5, Colfax servers and so on. IBM is going to offer the B3 too. 2.3GHz is max I've seen the server line offering.

Fifth note:-
Intels 45nm CPUs are finally becoming available here, although supply is very short or back-ordered for most models, esp. Yorkfields. But the price hyped since October compared to retail price is very different, the prices are not competing with Phenom at all, Intel 45nm and 65nm prices are too high on the majority. Q6600 G0 is the outlier, and it competes with the 9850 BE, being $20 higher in price here. Since HP and Gateway are stocking more AMD based desktop solutions at major retailers such as Best Buy and WalMart than Intel based ATM, competition is sparking up. Especially since for many months, AMD offerings were only low-price, low-profit segment orientated but now you have mid to high-end AMD systems being listed by OEM and ODM's squaring against Intel ones. I hope Intel drops prices, they're too high here

Here's PassMark 6.1 CPU and Memory benches:


Very easy CPU setting EV. MEM/Cache:

You could have also used the 3.6GHz result for the qx. Will try your sandra results file here today, i laos prepared a few other sandra benches on the weekend.

Oh I didn't have that imported, only imported 5 results. Just imported more and here's the 1066 4-4-4-12 result at 3-3.6G Kentsfield =>

Thx, seems i had too low chipset voltages in the way here. Dropped the 2.8/2.2 stability test in favour of 2.9/2.2 with 1.35V for the CPU.

What Vcore do you need to get 2.9G stable Achim?

Hmm tried to install ubuntu on the GBT780G with an 9600BE but i cant get the installer working even in save mode, gdm restarts every few seconds.

Never had issues with the HD's under linux. Always builded packages for the os im on with the installer from AMD, will try it on the other setup later.

That's what I tried, but I actually tried everything there is out there. Main limitation is it needs CD I don't have.

Still have no clear picture about memory voltages here, that will require more testing here. seems higher NB speeds lead to higher voltage requirements for the ram too atm.

I won't be able to test MEM much until I can get on 113 BIOS or better. But 113 although is best perf/oc BIOS, it does not support 1066 mode and has many stability problems. I'll try moving to it and post a EVE/Sandra b/w comparison with high and low NB using 800 mode. Might try WinRAR and PhotoWorxx too, they're high MEM dependent benches.

I probably didn't need all 1.5v, but the board was running it at 1.375 and it wasn't enough. The other thing is that since its only a 590 board I don't know what the nb or the l3 are running at. I'll put it back under the vapo later and see if I can do anything different. At least that board doesn't have vdroop from 1.33 down to 1.26 with this chip.

Edit: Put the chip back under the vapo. I decided to try the 7x ht link to see if it would help, and it got me to boot up at 262 htt. Problem is that I can't get windows to start at that speed so it doesn't really mater. It always freezes at the windows logo before the logon screen.

What if you increase voltage to 1.6v?
Usually either voltage is all you need for what you're seeing or its a core limit. But if its a core limit, usually you can never POST with it.

I'm really starting to think that its the memory controller on these B2's that hate the cold rather than the entire chip. I just booted into windows with 260x11.5, I have the memory set to ddr2-400 setting, nb and ht link at 9x. If I set it to 533 I'm willing to bet that windows won't boot because the imc can't handle the cold. I'll do some more testing later, need to get to school soon.

Hmm.. thanks for the tests. I am willing to try something similar soon too, just need to figure this damn one out first!

Could someone with the MSI plat please try beta 1.13 with the 9850 and post there findings as far as muilt's go? If they work or if they don't.

If I clear CMOS, I'll be stuck for 1-5 days without boot. So....

I'll give it a go in a while. Multis should work fine, worked fine on 9600BE.

not sure if anyone has notice but, there are 3 new drivers at MSI's website. Ethernet, Audio, and Chipset.

For version 1.0 of the board? Chipset are just the ones released in ATi Catalyst 8.3, Audio/Ethernet I did see and try, had no issues or difference to earlier ones for me

KTE: Which bios are you getting 1066 unganged?

P0J

I have a question as i'm trying to decide which board to buy. Can the PCI-E x16 slots be used for anything other than GFX cards? I want to pick up a higher end board only because of the better pwm's i dont need crossfire and i'd like to have some expansion options. I know that according to the specs you should be able to, i'm just wondering if it actually works.

What do you have in mind? I can try and test if you let me know, they should work.

Aight, I'm done tinkering with my 9600. I don't want to or plan to buy aftermarket cooling. I figured I'd try and maximize my setup. No increasing ANY voltage to keep temps as close to stock as possible. I think I've done that. Video card is at 830MHz core / 1205MHz memory. Here are my results. 100% stable wooooooot, 100MHz OC!

3DMark06
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6174397
Crysis 1.2 | Medium Quality | 1680x1050 | DX9 | 32Bit
48FPS

Everest - Photoworkx
http://www.jmbat.com/media/phenomoc/...t4_everest.jpg

Screenshot
http://jmbat.com/media/phenomoc/phen...int4_11004.jpg

Great, but I am sure you can get more, you have one the lowest bin models I've come across - 1.2VID/1.2v 9600BE. It should be a better clocker than most others around, try below 2600 stock volts. Can it not go any further with unlocked multis?
Which BIOS are you on? What's your MEM rated for?
Try 212HTx11.5, don't change any voltages and check - it's a much better performance setting than what you're on and it looks like it should be stable at stock voltage. You are fine as long as you have sub 70C load temps in those utilities. That's well within rated spec, on the stock cooler, with no fan, I was reaching 55C load at just stock.

What version of everest are you running? EDIT: Oooops, it says in the screen shot... sorry.

Jack, has yours arrived yet? I noticed you had the Plat. on there, which version is it? IDT v1.0 [ones we have] retail in US anymore and the v2.0 sucks with poor support, be warned.

Thanks, for the file, no logs here before.

I went to CPU DID,HTT,HT and NB default speeds, left VID's at my last configuration (CPU=1.468;CPU-NB=1.331;DRAM=2.21;SB-PLL=1.30;NB-CORE=1.290;NB-PCI=1.250;NB-HT=1.320) and AOD runs OK, changed HTT in 2 10MHz steps then froze.

Oh man, no wonder. 10MHz is too high, it will freeze for anyone. +2MHz is what you should be going up until you start reaching within 25-30MHz HT of your core limit, by then, start going up by 1MHz.
Also, do you need all those extra latter voltages that high? There usually is no need for them above stock since they have nothing to do with the CPU or its clocks and chipset is unaffected by AMD CPU oc's.

AOD boots fine until HTT=245 from bios, after that "Fire Works", maybe have to do with BOOT HTT setting in BIOS, cuz I have to set it to 250 if I wanna boot at HTT=250, or else (25) error.

Hmm.. not sure but that's a typical sign of instability usually. When you have unstable HT values and AOD tries to access RD790 PLL, AOD will either crash or freeze the system - happened with me on all my chips

Are you sure you're config is stable above 245HT? Can you boot over that fine with CnQ enabled for instance?

All this testing was done with and without your page settings file.

Last Log file.

Log file is full of errors, mainly those of accessing ports or PLLs. It's not specific enough to debug though.

[aGeoM]

Oh man, no wonder. 10MHz is too high, it will freeze for anyone. +2MHz is what you should be going up until you start reaching within 25-30MHz HT of your core limit, by then, start going up by 1MHz.
Also, do you need all those extra latter voltages that high? There usually is no need for them above stock since they have nothing to do with the CPU or its clocks and chipset is unaffected by AMD CPU oc's.

OK, I'll try 2 MHz steps. That extra volts was from the last config. used CPU-FID=10.5; HTT=268; HT-FID=x8; NB-FID=x8, benched fine 3 runs of 3DMark06. So I left them like this to come back to it again after AOD test.

Hmm.. not sure but that's a typical sign of instability usually. When you have unstable HT values and AOD tries to access RD790 PLL, AOD will either crash or freeze the system - happened with me on all my chips

Are you sure you're config is stable above 245HT? Can you boot over that fine with CnQ enabled for instance?

Well 250HTT, 3h AAO gaming and Primed plus 6h till I turn off PC no errors, but with this board (DFI) I got same problems has you when idle or net browsing, so I can't say it's stable. No wonder they are talking in EOL for this board after couple months of it's release.

CnQ never been enabled , I'll reboot and try.

Big thanks for your support KTE, I sincerely hope that you fix that bios/boot/cpu problem, never happened with mine.

Cheers

EDIT: CnQ=AUTO

[Mathos]

KTE What bios are you using? I know 1.1b3 was best for the 9600BE since it didn't have the TLB fix. But, have you tried 1.2 official? It's almost the same bios but just has the TLB fix enabled on it. Well that and it is suppose to have 1066 memory support. 9600BE I was OCing to same clocks on 1.2 as 1.1b3 with the same voltages, was just a bit more stable on 1.2 but held back by the fix.

I don't know what to say, gotta be something going on with your system. I've yet to encounter those problems, and I've been running OCed for closing on what, 4 or 5 months now? *knocks on wood* Granted, you're still using the Stock HSF though aren't you?

If you're still having these cold boot issues, I'm seriously starting to think that there is something that is causing the PWM area on your boards to Overheat. Hell you might need to try out one of those Gemini II coolers, or a big typhoon or something that blows down on that area of the board, instead of a horizontal blower.

[BrowncoatGR]

What do you have in mind? I can try and test if you let me know, they should work.

Thanks. Well a tuner or a sound card would be nice. Both of these seem to be transitioning to pci-e by now.

[d412k5t412]

But, have you tried 1.2 official? It's almost the same bios but just has the TLB fix enabled on it.

I just got my 9850 and flashed to 1.2 and It did not boot. Had to go to 1.4 for now since P0J doesn't work for me for some reason. It was a pain! Had to put my 9600 back in to flash the newer bios >_<

[Oldguy932]

My 9850 is priming at stock right now, just want to fully torture it before doing any clocking. The computer starts at -20C so the coldbug is lower than that. I did get these new settings in the bios for ECC options, for error correcting when the memory or caches are idle. I'll play around with them after I get a decent clock.

[JumpingJack]

@KTE - No 9850 isn't here yet, will be here tomorrow. Yeah, I picked up a MSI (same board you are using) since I will now have two phenoms, I wanted to build a second rig anyway. Not terribly worried about the version though ... for any higher end testing I have good confidence in the M3A.

So there are 4 rigs in my pooling -- boards are Asus M3A32-MVP, MSI KA2+ Plat., Asus Maxiums Formula (x38 chipset), Asus Rampage Forumula ..

I constructed two shunts so I will be able to get power at the socket, as well as a power meter at the wall... Ultimately I will be able to look at some thermals.

Jack

[KTE]

OC full stability breakdown so far=>

2784MHz 1.296v / 1.280v - max stock volts stable
2800MHz 1.296v / 1.280v - unstable*
2808MHz 1.312v / 1.300v - stable
2850MHz 1.365v / 1.328v - unstable*
2847MHz 1.406v / 1.380v - stable
2870MHz 1.416v / 1.384v - unstable*
2870MHz 1.440v / 1.412v - unstable*
2900MHz 1.416v /1.384v - unstable*
2900MHz 1.480v / 1.456v - load stable and idle testing now^
2925MHz 1.44v / 1.425v - unstable*
2970MHz 1.45v / 1.428v - unstable*
3000MHz 1.48v / 1.434v - unstable*
3055MHz 1.512 / 1.458v - unstable*

* = stable load/bench, freezes idling within 10 to 1200 minutes.
^ = current setting [1hr into it]

2856 30min EVEREST full load:



Idle:



Some WinRAR:



800 mode, plus 12k Sandra, compare two settings:

vs

EVE bandwidth compare 2808 vs 2847:

vs

Stock volts NB, max boot so far [unstable, EVE L3 test]:




aGeoM, np. Try the CnQ setting, it may help. Most of the AOD problems are not, it is a complex tool and most users do not spend time and/or the appropriate procedures to troubleshoot or understand it enough and hence its a muck up for them. I'll give you some tips for AOD usage;

1. Don't oc within windows with CnQ on, it'll just cause you problems.
2. Only change one parameter at a time in AOD for best and most consistent results, and if you have to, then either change speeds or change voltages, not both at the same time. Usually if you're going for max on anything, then crank cooling max, boost volts up, drop HT Link and start on the HT Ref. It won't take long until you reach a limit.
3. Use the file I attached [or similar settings] with minimum AOD pages loading up.
4. Use the AOD Yellow Mode.
5. Don't move VID and Volts at the same instance.
6. Look at the "real volts" after application, not the volt values in the slider. Volts displayed are based entirely on VID, the higher the VID, the higher the volts available, I've had 1.78v at 1.55VID.
7. Don't open any other [I/O-HW] tool when AOD is open or before it - after AOD has opened, then you can open CPUZ, but not something heavier or more tools if oc'ing [ss should be ok]. They can many times conflict and send things haywire, even your clocks.

On the 9500/9600, HT 7x gave me best results, IDK why, it just did. I was able to bench much higher HT MHz with it.

KTE What bios are you using? I know 1.1b3 was best for the 9600BE since it didn't have the TLB fix. But, have you tried 1.2 official? It's almost the same bios but just has the TLB fix enabled on it. Well that and it is suppose to have 1066 memory support.

Are you positive 1.2 supports 800 and 1066 MEM boot? Let me know, I don't recall but if it does, I'll flash that instead of 113. I'm still on P0J, system is running a stress test ATM. EDIT: NM, see below.

I don't know what to say, gotta be something going on with your system. I've yet to encounter those problems, and I've been running OCed for closing on what, 4 or 5 months now? *knocks on wood* Granted, you're still using the Stock HSF though aren't you?

Using Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with 152CFM Delta fan for a day now [check above posts].

If you're still having these cold boot issues, I'm seriously starting to think that there is something that is causing the PWM area on your boards to Overheat. Hell you might need to try out one of those Gemini II coolers, or a big typhoon or something that blows down on that area of the board, instead of a horizontal blower.

The PWM is very cool, I have a learned habit to cool all ICs as much as possible without heavy noise if tinkering any system. I have a 120mm 102CFM Delta running off a variable fan controller, currently at 4V 8xxRPM over the PWM area fully, a variable controller running a 60mm [found on stock K7/K7.5] at 4V 8xxRPM, and the Delta I mentioned clipped on the Xig cooler temperature variated. Just for added safety, I have 5 temp probes place around the board too. Things are very cool, problem is elsewhere and it's with the BIOS for Phenoms I'm being told -- it certainly points to it, since I have this problem with 3 new boards, 5 new Phenoms, 3 new RAM kits, 3 new PSUs - all confirmed working perfectly elsewhere.

BrowncoatGR, I'll have to take my board to work now and try one of the audio devices they have. Our department has some spare Motu 2408 MK3 PCIe-424 which I can test quickly to see if it works, they can default to any number of PCIe lanes as specified by hardware and/or BIOS.

d412k5t412, Thanks for the feedback. Now obviously I'm not going to flash 1.2 and I was just about to do it now

Oldguy932, yeah, I always test a system before trying anything - wisest way forward, or you have no idea what was stable or unstable before you start. Keep us updated.

Jack, one comparison I'd like to see is power at the 12V 4pin/8pin aswell as power at the the various PSU 12V and expected power. A few tests show some ridiculous power values when you drop the MHz/Volts, seems there is a large inaccuracy possible unless you check and calibrate from the lower end up or use an accurate feedback and measuring system. All below 12W, my system would read 0A idle through the 12V using such a method which was obviously wrong. Rechecked with PSU sensors and they registered a 0.1A power output.

[aGeoM]

aGeoM, np. Try the CnQ setting, it may help. Most of the AOD problems are not, it is a complex tool and most users do not spend time and/or the appropriate procedures to troubleshoot or understand it enough and hence its a muck up for them. I'll give you some tips for AOD usage;

1. Don't oc within windows with CnQ on, it'll just cause you problems.
2. Only change one parameter at a time in AOD for best and most consistent results, and if you have to, then either change speeds or change voltages, not both at the same time. Usually if you're going for max on anything, then crank cooling max, boost volts up, drop HT Link and start on the HT Ref. It won't take long until you reach a limit.
3. Use the file I attached [or similar settings] with minimum AOD pages loading up.
4. Use the AOD Yellow Mode.
5. Don't move VID and Volts at the same instance.
6. Look at the "real volts" after application, not the volt values in the slider. Volts displayed are based entirely on VID, the higher the VID, the higher the volts available, I've had 1.78v at 1.55VID.
7. Don't open any other [I/O-HW] tool when AOD is open or before it - after AOD has opened, then you can open CPUZ, but not something heavier or more tools if oc'ing [ss should be ok]. They can many times conflict and send things haywire, even your clocks.

On the 9500/9600, HT 7x gave me best results, IDK why, it just did. I was able to bench much higher HT MHz with it.

OK, I never user AOD to OC (I do it from BIOS, the same for GPU's), only to test it and only changed HTT, 10MHz steps to 250, and 1 MHz steps >250, from AOD I only want the RED Mode to 3DMark benching, it boost your score by ~500, since the M3A32-MVP I can't break 15.1K-3DM06 , but thanks for the tips, it will help many of us.

EVE bandwidth compare 2808 vs 2847

You have 2808@Unganged Vs 2847@Ganged, should it be the 2 at the same?

Today must be the day... it arrived to local Post Station, waiting for it at anytime.

EDIT: JAAFB AA 0810APMW

[Oldguy932]

Just finished 8 hours of prime at 216x12.5 vcore 1.3v set 1.28 actual and v core-nb 1.3. Using the multipliers gives me problems, Windows wouldn't boot at 200x14, and it did fine at 224x12.5. I'm wondering if its the mobo that doesn't like them because my 9600 BE was the same way.

[Morais]

KTE, what is your ambient temperature? These idle and load temps are very good!

[Tony]

I have this board on the bench now, flashed bios 1.4 with the 9850 there should in theory be no TLB issues, hard to check though as AOD crashes the board.

man I wish I had NB multi support but at least this board is HTT friendly, had a boot at 270 with 266 entering vista, testing 252 now and working up.

If they could add TLB ON/OFF and give me NB multi option this board would be killer, easy as good as the GBT DQ6 which I rate higher than the DFI at this time due to bios issues.

[KTE]

aGeoM, I never use the Red mode, it gives me no boost at all. It'll give a boost to higher end GPU perf. though.

Sami said at the beginning to go up in little HT MHz and for quite obvious reasons, you have 5 PLLs being changed and a chance of system corruption if you muck up.

MEM bw, well yep, they should be if testing properly but they were just two random shots paired together for posting sake

BTW, in your log file I found all references to Griffin, but it shows internal name AMD K11h. The PLL coding is there meaning they have the tool working with it.

BrowncoatGR, sound devices work fine in the extra PCIe slots, with 4 lanes and 16. Skipped 8 lane testing because I had no time.

Oldguy932, what's your batch/stepping/week and stock Vcore? Any coldboot? What's lowest temps you've booted? Details details details ...
Also flash a better BIOS if you have the multiplier problem, our first BIOSes all also had a limit at 13.5x CPU multi.

Morais, ambients there were 23C, that's my usual room temp. Sometimes it fluctuates 22-25C but not less or more. Right now its 23C for instance.

Tony, official BIOSes are quite bad for oc... I haven't tried 1.4 yet but can you test some 2x2GB kits and what your max stable/bench/screen on this board is please? Would be very good to know.

Stability Update:-

2900MHz 1.480v / 1.456v - load stable, failed idle stability after 15 hours
2900MHz 1.512v / 1.480v - load stable and idle testing now [7 hours]

Here's the setting I am currently testing, earlier in EVEREST full load for plus 35mins showing load temps and voltage [to show this coolers efficiency, handles high heat load better than any other air cooler I've seen to date, Zalman 9700 could not keep up, plus 70C easy] => 200W TDP here



The main point is to test;
- does B3 scale with voltage
- will better cooling [water/phase] do it better for clocks/stability
- does B3 have headroom and if so, how much exactly

I am definitely thinking of a weaker core syndrome again - remember I could get 223x12.5 across 3 cores and 223x12 across one core to get my first 9600BE stable, whereas 12.5x multi on all of them would make it very unstable. Will try the same here. Toliman must have had a major financially sound reason for inception...

Core starts needing very high volts for stability past 2808 as you can see, power draw flies at such settings, but I'm not in the same position as you guys who keep it as your home system, I'm just testing it for a little while to see and show what is possible with it and can afford to make any loss since it was free. Will see how it scales with voltage, kinda shows the limit.

Looking at this, they can surely release a 140W TDP 2.8G model, mine needs stock volts for 2.784G, which is still below 140W.

Oh BTW, just remembered. Anytime now Geil will release a DDR2-1300 kit, most likely part of the Esoteria lineup.

[justapost]

2900MHz 1.480v / 1.456v - load stable, failed idle stability after 15 hours
2900MHz 1.512v / 1.480v - load stable and idle testing now [7 hours]
Oh BTW, just remembered. Anytime now Geil will release a DDR2-1300 kit, most likely part of the Esoteria lineup.

Man what NB speed are you running?
With an 14,5 cpu multi a 10x nb multi is very unstable here. An 11x multi is alot more stable but needs ~0.05V more than with an 14x cpu multi.
Anyway 2.9/2.2 works fine here with 1.4V/1.35V only limit are the temps here. They must have reached 85°C here because thats where the board powers off and the system was of this morning. During the firs 15 minutes or so the cpu temps where in the 70°C area.

DDR2-1300 kit sounds promising.

[Oldguy932]

Stepping is in my sig. It has booted at -40C because whenever I change bios settings I have to turn off the psu because the vapo turns off because the computer doesn't do a soft boot after changing the settings. Stock vcore is 1.3v. I'm doing a little bit of random testing right now, keeping the nb and cpu at 1:1, about to run some stuff at 250x10.