9800gtx,a complete letdown to 8800gtx\ultra owners?

[railmeat]

hi all,
ok before 1 of many admins tries to delete or edit this thread im NOT flaming etc im just venting after waiting for 1 year for a new single card replacement and want other ppls views,nothing more.

1 year ago a card came out that shook the planet and was not to be taken down by any other card.the 8800gtx\ultra series.with specs including 384 rambus and 768 of ram on the card it was well worth the wait from the 7900gtx all day long.now 1 year later as all the stall cards came out and worth every penny(8800gt 512 etc)for half the price and performance compared to the gtx\ultra that was amazing for res under 1600x1200 it could not be beat either.still ppl like myself paitently waited for the ALMIGHTY 9800gtx to be relased and to crush the 8800gtx\ultra like it did the 7900gtx.for a single card solution and ppl used to running a 8800gtx nvidias new 9800gtx really had to set the bar high for users to be blown away,did that happen?no it didnt.im not talking from a OVERCLOCKING point of view 1 bit.im talking from a hardware spec point of view for ppl spending money on replacing there 8800gtx\ultras.and what did we get after 1 year later? A LESSER HARDWARE SPEC CARD

specs-

the new ALMIGHTY 9800gtx 256\512

the 1 year old 8800gtx\ultra 384\768

what happened here?
did i miss something?
like many others i imagined the FLAGSHIP 9800gtx being 512\1gig card or ATLEAST 384\768 with higher clocks?not 256\512 with higher clocks and thats it?

i myself already had a set budget of $600 alloted to spend on the new flagship card(9800gtx) and its $20 less then the 8800gtx?that tells me something right there.i read ALL the numbers and seen first hand the 8800gtx still easily beats the newest card in all games running higher res.i run at 2048x1536 on bf2 and quake4 smooth as could be.now looking at the nuumbers of the 9800gtx pushing that res it cant touch the aging 8800gtx\ultra.no mystery here its simply because of the hardware is lesser.im really disappointed in this bigtime and now have to wait for the 9900gtx?1 year passes by and this is what we got?who cares if it overclocks higher,it still cant beat the 8800gtx\ultra in higher res gaming for GAMERS..bleh so confused by this STALL move on nvidias part.

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what are ppl with 8800gtx\ultras who been waiting a year to upgrade supposed to do now?

i guess buy another another 8800gtx\ultra for sli being there under $300 now,which is very good news atleast.
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and what about ppl buying a new top SINGLE card now with the choices out?

i think its pretty simple.

$300 range 8800gtx for the single card win STILL..

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more money in your budget the choices are clear

$450 range

(2) 8800gt 512,s in sli -no brainer


$600 range

9800gx2 looks like a good choice i guess,but then again for the same money u can buy (2) 8800gtx,s in sli to destroy a single 9800gx2.


$650 range

2 8800ultras in sli destroys a single 9800gtx


$1,200 range

2 9800gx2 for quad sli
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im sorry but this is the biggest letdown in nvidias card release history to date,all the hype,waiting for what?a higher overclocked 8800gt 512 card basicly.heck the 9800gtx is only $50 more then a 8800gt 512...


does ANYONE agree with me on this at all?
who cares if it overclocks higher its still lesser hardware spec wise and cant run games in higher res as good as the 8800gtx\ultras can so what good is that for gamers who actually use there video card for gaming..

[railmeat]

not 1 comment ppl? thats fine by the votes i see that ppl fully agree with me.

the 9800gtx should have been named the 8850gt.it does not by ANY means deserve the 9000 series let alone the coveted gtx title.




stefan9,u voted twice...how?

[xMrBunglex]

too long to read. the 98 GTX doesn't interest me.

[MrHydes]

not 1 comment ppl? thats fine by the votes i see that ppl fully agree with me.

the 9800gtx should have been named the 8850gt.it does not by ANY means deserve the 9000 series coveted gtx title.




stefan9,u voted twice...how?

i disagree the 9800GTX deserves the name 9 series because 9800 sucks.
what 9800 doesn't have is the GTX name, because that should mean pure power and that's not what's happening...

but we fully understand nvidia plans in this matters, wich are comercial issues related to promote de 790i chipset and they're 3 way SLI bull.
sorry the bad language here...

i've just swich from EVGA G80 Ultra to 9800 GX2 and i want my single
GPU back... i'm just working on it.

lets see what happens with GT200 to become 9900GTX

[railmeat]

im glad to see that everyone who read this voted and fully agrees with me still.the 9800gtx fell a mile short bottom line.i still cannot fully concieve with the 384\768 tech that had with the 8800gtx\ultras that they pulled the 256\512 cards out and calling it there king of single cards newest generation.what a joke im so mad.


i had a gf2(quad pro),4800ti,6800gt,6800ultra,7800gt,7900gtx,7950gx 2,8800gts 320mb,8800gts 640mb,now 8800gtx and every gen crushed the older..what happened here?

by the way mr hydes good read u put up.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/31/g...e-set-to-july/

"According to our sources, GT200’s final product name and launch day have been set. Two NVIDIA GeForce card will use the core, they are 9900GX2 and 9900GTX."
"GT200 to become 9900GTX and 9900GX2, launch date set to July"



i read that and thought that card should be the new 9800gtx released last week.not the current poor excuse 9800gtx(aka 8800gt 512)with fancy new stickers,new heatsink and overclocked more ...really sad.


hopefully the 9900gtx wont fall short and get with the times using 512 rambus\1gig mem on board the card.sigh...

a 9800gtx might seem appealing to benchmark dudes who loop 3dmark06 all day long and can overclock it high as heck to pass a 8800gtx\ultra scores in 1024x768 tests.but that SAME card at higher res gaming has to take a seat to its older brother still.again could care less how much better this card overclocks at lower-med res but from a hi res gamers point of view it cant compete to my exsiting card 1 bit.


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READ THIS LINK--

Head of Nvidia Criticizes Dual-GPU Approach as Dual-GPU GeForce 9800 GX2 Looms.

Single GPU Configuration – The Best Approach for High-End Graphics Systems: Nvidia Chief Executive

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...GX2_Looms.html

“If you want to put two GPUs on an add-in card and you deliver the absolute highest performance in the world, the enthusiast that uses that particular PC will certainly tolerate the fact that it’s a much larger solution. But if it’s not the highest performance solution in the world, as in the case of the X2, then it’s just really problematic. You know, there’s no market really for a product that’s larger, louder, and not as high performance. So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,” said
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Jen-Hsun Huang, the president and chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp."

"Back in 2006 Nvidia released its GeForce 7950 GX2 product with two GPUs onboard that could not beat single-chip ATI Radeon 1900 XTX and Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX graphics cards in all benchmarks, but still offered considerably higher performance in certain games."




"So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,”

WOW...the president and (CEO) chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp admits this.im done with this thread after reading that with my own 2 eyeballs.





ATI* atleast keeps there hardware specs up to date every generation upon release dates.
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brand new extreme ati cards on the horizon using ddr5 mem..
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7356.html

Radeon HD Shaders Core(s) VRAM GFLOPS Frequency (MHz)
4870X2 2x480 2xRV770 1GB GDDR5 2016 1050/1800 <---------------woa!
4870 480 RV770 1GB GDDR5 1008 1050/2200
4850 480 RV770 512MB GDDR5 816 850/1800
4670 240 RV740 512MB GDDR4 480 1000/1200
4650 240 RV740 256MB GDDR4 384 800/1000
4470 40 RV710 256MB GDDR3 - 900/800
4450 40 RV710 128MB GDDR2 - 700/500

[Anemone]

GT200 is the upgrade you want to watch for. The rest of this 9xxx garbage is forgettable.

[railmeat]

GT200 is the upgrade you want to watch for. The rest of this 9xxx garbage is forgettable.

haha well said...

ya its just like the peview of the old long awaited 7800gtx getting beat by the aging 6800ultra days...sad

[MrHydes]

Head of Nvidia Criticizes Dual-GPU Approach as Dual-GPU GeForce 9800 GX2 Looms.

Single GPU Configuration – The Best Approach for High-End Graphics Systems: Nvidia Chief Executive

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...GX2_Looms.html

“If you want to put two GPUs on an add-in card and you deliver the absolute highest performance in the world, the enthusiast that uses that particular PC will certainly tolerate the fact that it’s a much larger solution. But if it’s not the highest performance solution in the world, as in the case of the X2, then it’s just really problematic. You know, there’s no market really for a product that’s larger, louder, and not as high performance. So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,” said
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Jen-Hsun Huang, the president and chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp."

"Back in 2006 Nvidia released its GeForce 7950 GX2 product with two GPUs onboard that could not beat single-chip ATI Radeon 1900 XTX and Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX graphics cards in all benchmarks, but still offered considerably higher performance in certain games."




"So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,”

WOW...the president and (CEO) chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp admits this.im done with this thread after reading that with my own 2 eyeballs.

what a contradiction... i just can't understand this guys!
way to go chef!

ATI* atleast keeps there hardware specs up to date every generation upon release dates.
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brand new extreme ati cards on the horizon using ddr5 mem..
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7356.html

Radeon HD Shaders Core(s) VRAM GFLOPS Frequency (MHz)
4870X2 2x480 2xRV770 1GB GDDR5 2016 1050/1800 <---------------woa!
4870 480 RV770 1GB GDDR5 1008 1050/2200
4850 480 RV770 512MB GDDR5 816 850/1800
4670 240 RV740 512MB GDDR4 480 1000/1200
4650 240 RV740 256MB GDDR4 384 800/1000
4470 40 RV710 256MB GDDR3 - 900/800
4450 40 RV710 128MB GDDR2 - 700/500

i thought they were bringing up the GDDR8... ain't true??' lol
Ati crap!
they shader unified system fails because for example RV670 they claim
320 Stream processors but they work in blocks of 80x4 and that
makes it much slower compared do the unified structure of nvidia!
so forget about ATI specs, because they always have great machines
on paper but playing they loose badly against week specs from nvidia.

[RADCOM]

My two 8800GTX cost the same as my two 7800GTX (they are worth "bananas" all now) In a way we are getting better technology cheaper Top of the range performance cards are a small percentage of total cards sold, more of a status symbol for the big two. There is a trend now in refreshing current technology rather than bringing something new to the table.

[xMrBunglex]

Ati crap!
they shader unified system fails because for example RV670 they claim
320 Stream processors but they work in blocks of 80x4 and that
makes it much slower compared do the unified structure of nvidia!
so forget about ATI specs, because they always have great machines
on paper but playing they loose badly against week specs from nvidia.

your information is wrong. please don't fly the Nvidiot flag on this forum.

and i wouldn't take those speculated ATI specs to the bank yet. while i would love to see a 1,050 MHz GPU, i'm not going to hold my breath for one yet. and it looks like they're expecting the 4 Series to be capable of twice as many GLOPS as the 3 Series - it sounds optimistic to me.

[MrHydes]

your information is wrong. please don't fly the Nvidiot flag on this forum.

and i wouldn't take those speculated ATI specs to the bank yet. while i would love to see a 1,050 MHz GPU, i'm not going to hold my breath for one yet. and it looks like they're expecting the 4 Series to be capable of twice as many GLOPS as the 3 Series - it sounds optimistic to me.

what part of the information is wrong?
don't be your self Atidiot just because you have Rv670 and you don't even know
what you have...

in this thread in case you haven't notest we've been critising nvidia 98 series
we aren't nvidia boys... seems like you're ATI ingorant boy!

Data transferred to the dispatch processor is then processed and assigned to one of the R670's four SIMD arrays for processing. This is actually a vast simplification of the process, given that the dispatch unit tracks a huge number of threads at any given time and dynamically allocates processing resources depending on what threads need to be executed before others, but it's a simplification that will do for the moment. Like the R600, RV670's contains a total of 320 stream processors, organized into four arrays of 80 processors each.

[MrHydes]

sorry the offtopic but one more for you:

Shader core:
First and foremost, there are a total of 64 five-way superscalar shader processors or 320 stream processors if you want to talk in terms of execution units. These shader processors are arranged into four SIMD units with each one containing sixteen shader processors, or 80 stream processors. bit-tech

[railmeat]

what part of the information is wrong?
don't be your self Atidiot just because you have Rv670 and you don't even know
what you have...

in this thread in case you haven't notest we've been critising nvidia 98 series
we aren't nvidia boys... seems like you're ATI ingorant boy!

Data transferred to the dispatch processor is then processed and assigned to one of the R670's four SIMD arrays for processing. This is actually a vast simplification of the process, given that the dispatch unit tracks a huge number of threads at any given time and dynamically allocates processing resources depending on what threads need to be executed before others, but it's a simplification that will do for the moment. Like the R600, RV670's contains a total of 320 stream processors, organized into four arrays of 80 processors each.

its meant to be played on nvidia

[MrHydes]

November 8, 2006 is NVIDIA fanboy’s memorial day, because NV launch G80. It is a brand new architecture, using unified shader to rise up total performance, totally throw the “traditional” Pixel Shader and Vertex shader away.

□ G9x Got a higher Shader/core ratio

From information NVIDIA provides, we know 8800 GTX’s shader/core ratio is2.34，8800 GTS is 2.4，8800 Ultra is 2.45. Nowadays G9x the ratio have been raise and set to 2.5. With a proper ratio, G8x/G9x can output more performance.

　　□ G9x supports PCI-E 2.0

After G92, NV’s product begin to support PCIe Gen2. PCIe Gen2 means each lane’s bandwidth doubles from 2.5Gbps to 5Gbps. Also PCIe Gen 2 can provide more power.( up to 300W)

Nvidia's G92 is little more than G80 in 65nm

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ittle-g80-65nm

[railmeat]

November 8, 2006 is NVIDIA fanboy’s memorial day, because NV launch G80. It is a brand new architecture, using unified shader to rise up total performance, totally throw the “traditional” Pixel Shader and Vertex shader away.

□ G9x Got a higher Shader/core ratio

From information NVIDIA provides, we know 8800 GTX’s shader/core ratio is2.34，8800 GTS is 2.4，8800 Ultra is 2.45. Nowadays G9x the ratio have been raise and set to 2.5. With a proper ratio, G8x/G9x can output more performance.

　　□ G9x supports PCI-E 2.0

After G92, NV’s product begin to support PCIe Gen2. PCIe Gen2 means each lane’s bandwidth doubles from 2.5Gbps to 5Gbps. Also PCIe Gen 2 can provide more power.( up to 300W)

Nvidia's G92 is little more than G80 in 65nm

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ittle-g80-65nm

nice chart i copied and saved as a reference.

SLI Power Bundle (2x GeForce 8800 GT + 650W PSU) $400
http://www.bfgstore.com/ProductDetai...=BFGSLIPWRBNDL

[Dark_w]

I'm a little disappointed. but I think they are just buying time (a very long time). Nvidia is lagging a little too much yeah you guys are right. I just hope they dont become another 3dfx. they might be just having trouble transfering or shirking to smaller GPU. there are so many things that can go wrong. At the end of the day we know we all need our INTEL AMDATI AND NVIDIA. so prices wont ripped us me another butt whole. so I hope they all stay in business for a long time. That's including DAMMIT

[hardtarget]

So all said and done which card would you guys buy right now if you had to? Nice thread by the way.

[KiDMaioRKz]

i think 8800Ultra is now the best 1GPU card.

[railmeat]

So all said and done which card would you guys buy right now if you had to? Nice thread by the way.

like mariokidxz said "i think 8800Ultra is now the best 1GPU card."


very true dark-w

8800gtx\ultra is thee worlds best single card still for higher res gaming.hell the CEO of nvidia even agrees with this fact...

9800gtx $350 256\512

8800gtx\ultra $299(some places) 384\768
http://www.evga.com/products/bstock.asp

no brainer 8800gtx\ultra for the win...

nvidia messed up this time around.

&#37;95 of ppl here agree 9800gtx is a complete flop compared to its older brother the 8800gtx period.the numbers dont lie,ppl wanted more from the 9800gtx and were willing to pay for it.but nvidia fell a mile short.the bottom line is ppl now have to wait for the gt200 -9900gtx for a REAL powerhouse single card.


read in here post #5
the following quotes are from the CEO of nvidia himself..
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...GX2_Looms.html

"So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,”


here hes talking about the 9800gx2 vs single cards out now..

“If you want to put two GPUs on an add-in card and you deliver the absolute highest performance in the world, the enthusiast that uses that particular PC will certainly tolerate the fact that it’s a much larger solution. But if it’s not the highest performance solution in the world, as in the case of the X2, then it’s just really problematic. You know, there’s no market really for a product that’s larger, louder, and not as high performance. So, I think that GeForce 8800 GTX is still absolutely the best DX10 and highest graphics performance GPU in the world,”

[Durkadurka]

So basically you are saying you are disappointed because you expected a nextgen card?

I think 9800GTX is a brilliant card, with excellent OC abilities at a decent price.

[xMrBunglex]

So basically you are saying you are disappointed because you expected a nextgen card?

I think 9800GTX is a brilliant card, with excellent OC abilities at a decent price.

the 9800 GTX is a fantastic card for the money. it's just that a lot of people have been waiting for it for a long time and were expecting a lot more from it. it's their new flagship and it barely outperforms an 8800 Ultra.

more correctly, it's really just a way to unload their inventory of G92 chips being disguised as a flagship while they finish production of their GT200. great video card? yes. next generation? no.

[Envydia007]

If you have an 8800GTX or Ultra and to upgrade to this 9800GTX is not worth the gain

[The Asgard]

If you have an 8800GTX or Ultra and to upgrade to this 9800GTX is not worth the gain

Depends if you can make some money doing it. My upgrade from a 8800 GTX to a EVGA 9800GTX SC put £10 back in my pocket.