**Official DFI LanParty UT 790FX-M2R Review/Overclock/Guide Thread**

[Oese]

very nice raid numbers indeed..

[justapost]

@Campbell, non native english speaking me thought your cat already died.

@aGeom: Impressive raid results indeed, what raid drivers version do you use?
And thx for the boot ref note, with CB Tracers i managed to boot at 280MHz but I had to reduce the HT and NB multi to 7-8 but I can run mem at 1066 like speed with 4-4-4-12 timings now.

[KTE]

Cam, man, good luck with your cat there

aGeoM, beware, those temps are actually in the 45's idling

But tell me.. where the heck did you get that wallpaper from, I've been after it for eons

Mind passing it over here for my Phenom system too please

Also with 4-4-3, what bw are you getting?

[Brother Esau]

No actually Marshall has improve dramatically since 2 days ago I took him to the Emergency Animal Hospital after the Vet had him on IV and they have continued the treatment over night and he is Eating like a champ and has perked right up when I called last night at 11:00PM I have to pick him up in about 2hrs and take him to the Vet again for updated check up but the Vet said in addition to me that Marshall has made a big improvement

[Oese]

thats good news indeed..

[jimmyz]

No actually Marshall has improve dramatically since 2 days ago I took him to the Emergency Animal Hospital after the Vet had him on IV and they have continued the treatment over night and he is Eating like a champ and has perked right up when I called last night at 11:00PM I have to pick him up in about 2hrs and take him to the Vet again for updated check up but the Vet said in addition to me that Marshall has made a big improvement

Good to hear it Campbell, gotta work today but I will be on tonight. I may even call you.

[justapost]

Here are some modest bios settings first

CPU 2.4GHZ
NB 1.8 GHz
HT 1.8 GHz
MEM 533 MHz 4-5-5-16

SB and NB voltages might be too low for your 3870 X2 crossfire setup, not sure about your memory also. 5-5-5-16 at 2.12V are save i guess.

Genie Bios Settings
===================

Timing Mode				Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit		DDR 1066
PCIE 3,4 State				Auto
PCIE 2 State				x2
AMD K8 Cool&Quiet control		Disabled
CPU CLock Ratio				12x
Spread Spectrum				Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock			200MHz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock		200MHz
CPU Host/HTT Adjust Gap			5MHz
PCIE Clock				100MHz


DRAM Configuration 
------------------

DCTs Mode				Unganged

MCT Memory Timings

MCT Memory Timing			Manual
2T Mode					Auto (Enabled)
CAS Latency Time			4 CLK
Precharge delay (tRAS)			16 CKL
DRAM RAS# Precharge			5 CLK
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay			5 CLK
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD)			Auto (4 CLK)
TRC					24T
TRTP					Auto (2 CLK)
Wrtite Recovery (TWR)			Auto (8 CLK)
Write-Read Command (TWTR)		Auto (7 CLK)
TRFC0					75.0ns
TRFC1					75.0ns
TRFC2					75.0ns
TRFC3					75.0ns
Trdrd					Auto (2 CLK)
TrwtTO					Auto (6 CLK)
Twrrd					Auto (0 CLK)
Twrwr					Auto (1 CLK)
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay			Enabled
TLB Cache Mode				Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode			Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance			Disabled
Optimal Performance Mode		Disabled

ODC Controll Mode

DRAM Drivers Weak Mode			Normal drive
Output Driver Comp.			Auto

HT Link Control
---------------

HT Link Width				16 bit
HT Link Frequency			1.8 GHz
IH Flow-COntrol Mode			Disabled
HT Link Tristate			Disabled
2x LCLK Mode				Disabled
UnitID Clumping				Disabled

CPU-Feature
-----------

CPU-NB DID				1
CPU-NB FID				05
AMD CPU Stepping			P0

PWM-Setting
-----------

PWM Control				Enabled
CPU VID COntrol				1.25000V
CPU VID Specil Add			Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control			1.10000V
CPU NB VID Special Add			Auto
DRAM Voltage Control			2.31V
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage			1.2V
NB Core Voltage				1.120V
NB PCIE Voltage				1.120V
NB HT Voltage				1.040V

Now with a higher ref HT (225MHz)

CPU 2.475GHZ
NB 2.025 GHz
HT 2.025 GHz
MEM 600 MHz 5-5-5-16

Genie Bios Settings
===================

Timing Mode				Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit		DDR 1066
PCIE 3,4 State				Auto
PCIE 2 State				x2
AMD K8 Cool&Quiet control		Disabled
CPU CLock Ratio				11x
Spread Spectrum				Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock			225MHz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock		225MHz
CPU Host/HTT Adjust Gap			5MHz
PCIE Clock				100MHz


DRAM Configuration 
------------------

MCT Memory Timings

MCT Memory Timing			Manual
2T Mode					Auto (Enabled)
CAS Latency Time			5 CLK
Precharge delay (tRAS)			16 CKL
DRAM RAS# Precharge			5 CLK
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay			5 CLK
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD)			Auto (4 CLK)
TRC					24T
TRTP					Auto (2 CLK)
Wrtite Recovery (TWR)			Auto (8 CLK)
Write-Read Command (TWTR)		Auto (7 CLK)
TRFC0					75.0ns
TRFC1					75.0ns
TRFC2					75.0ns
TRFC3					75.0ns
Trdrd					Auto (2 CLK)
TrwtTO					Auto (6 CLK)
Twrrd					Auto (0 CLK)
Twrwr					Auto (1 CLK)
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay			Enabled
TLB Cache Mode				Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode			Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance			Disabled
Optimal Performance Mode		Disabled

ODC Controll Mode

DRAM Drivers Weak Mode			Normal drive
Output Driver Comp.			Auto

DCTs Mode				Unganged

HT Link Control
---------------

HT Link Width				16 bit
HT Link Frequency			1.8 GHz
IH Flow-COntrol Mode			Disabled
HT Link Tristate			Disabled
2x LCLK Mode				Disabled
UnitID Clumping				Disabled

CPU-Feature
-----------

CPU-NB DID				1
CPU-NB FID				05
AMD CPU Stepping			P0

PWM-Setting
-----------

PWM Control				Enabled
CPU VID COntrol				1.30000V
CPU VID Specil Add			Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control			1.30000V
CPU NB VID Special Add			Auto
DRAM Voltage Control			2.31V
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage			1.2V
NB Core Voltage				1.200V
NB PCIE Voltage				1.200V
NB HT Voltage				1.270V

Somewhat highest stable ref HT here atm (280MHz)

CPU 2.520GHZ
NB 1.960 GHz
HT 1.960 GHz
MEM 560 MHz 4-4-4-12

Genie Bios Settings
===================

Timing Mode				Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit		DDR 800
PCIE 3,4 State				Auto
PCIE 2 State				x2
AMD K8 Cool&Quiet control		Disabled
CPU CLock Ratio				9x
Spread Spectrum				Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock			280MHz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock		280MHz
CPU Host/HTT Adjust Gap			5MHz
PCIE Clock				100MHz


DRAM Configuration 
------------------

MCT Memory Timings

MCT Memory Timing			Manual
2T Mode					Auto (Enabled)
CAS Latency Time			4 CLK
Precharge delay (tRAS)			12 CKL
DRAM RAS# Precharge			4 CLK
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay			4 CLK
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD)			Auto (3 CLK)
TRC					24T
TRTP					Auto (3 CLK)
Wrtite Recovery (TWR)			Auto (6 CLK)
Write-Read Command (TWTR)		Auto (3 CLK)
TRFC0					75.0ns
TRFC1					75.0ns
TRFC2					75.0ns
TRFC3					75.0ns
Trdrd					Auto (2 CLK)
TrwtTO					Auto (6 CLK)
Twrrd					Auto (0 CLK)
Twrwr					Auto (1 CLK)
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay			Enabled
TLB Cache Mode				Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode			Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance			Disabled
Optimal Performance Mode		Disabled

ODC Controll Mode

DRAM Drivers Weak Mode			Normal drive
Output Driver Comp.			Auto

DCTs Mode				Unganged

HT Link Control
---------------

HT Link Width				16 bit
HT Link Frequency			1.4 GHz
IH Flow-COntrol Mode			Disabled
HT Link Tristate			Disabled
2x LCLK Mode				Disabled
UnitID Clumping				Disabled

CPU-Feature
-----------

CPU-NB DID				1
CPU-NB FID				03
AMD CPU Stepping			P0

PWM-Setting
-----------

PWM Control				Enabled
CPU VID COntrol				1.30000V
CPU VID Specil Add			Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control			1.30000V
CPU NB VID Special Add			Auto
DRAM Voltage Control			2.31V
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage			1.2V
NB Core Voltage				1.200V
NB PCIE Voltage				1.200V
NB HT Voltage				1.270V

[Koekerwauz_NL]

hi guys,

during RAID setup i selected raid 0 and 128kb size is that good or should i selected the 64kb size. my pref. is on par but i thought it would be better

what program should i use to read out the temperature. guardian says in 15-20 celcius idle and load 30-35?

[Oliverda]

hi guys,

during RAID setup i selected raid 0 and 128kb size is that good or should i selected the 64kb size. my pref. is on par but i thought it would be better

You should select the 8KB or 16KB size if you are going to install OS to that RAID volume.

[Koekerwauz_NL]

hummm, i can only select 64 or 128KB.
What do you suggest? 64 or 128Kb

[Oliverda]

hummm, i can only select 64 or 128KB.
What do you suggest? 64 or 128Kb

Strange. Then select 64KB.

[aGeoM]

@Campbell, non native english speaking me thought your cat already died.

@aGeom: Impressive raid results indeed, what raid drivers version do you use?
And thx for the boot ref note, with CB Tracers i managed to boot at 280MHz but I had to reduce the HT and NB multi to 7-8 but I can run mem at 1066 like speed with 4-4-4-12 timings now.

Cat 8.3 drivers. I can't have HT<>NB multis, C1 error.

I just finish to install Vista x64 SP1 @2750 speed, only one freeze on the 1st reboot, but voltages are lower than what I had before, I'll try to post some BIOS photos later.

CB Tracers are these ones?

[justapost]

Cat 8.3 drivers. I can't have HT<>NB multis, C1 error.

Can be 64bit os makes a difference, i use the 8.4 beta hotfix release.
Hmm with an 9500 all those should work HT<=NB (NB FID+4)<=9

CB Tracers are this ones?

I have those
These are the same without led's i think. LED's can be usefull to detect weather the ram started or not during startup but they make a 17€ difference.

[aGeoM]

Cam, man, good luck with your cat there

aGeoM, beware, those temps are actually in the 45's idling

But tell me.. where the heck did you get that wallpaper from, I've been after it for eons

Mind passing it over here for my Phenom system too please

Also with 4-4-3, what bw are you getting?

Not quite idling, that post was just after finnish 3h gaming.



I took from a earlier SPIDER Plataform review some time ago.
22 inch
24 inch
30 inch

You mean this (taken with no drivers at all, Vista SP1 x64)?

[Oese]

nice temps, little too low even..

[Oese]

Cat 8.3 drivers. I can't have HT<>NB multis, C1 error.

I just finish to install Vista x64 SP1 @2750 speed, only one freeze on the 1st reboot, but voltages are lower than what I had before, I'll try to post some BIOS photos later.

CB Tracers are these ones?

interesting @ x64 vista

and nice rams

[aGeoM]

Can be 64bit os makes a difference, i use the 8.4 beta hotfix release.
Hmm with an 9500 all those should work HT<=NB (NB FID+4)<=9

I know, with MSI/ASUS had no problem setting HT<NB, but with DFI even if I set HT to AUTO and NB to 05(x9) I got C1 errors @ HTref 250. I have the feeling that my DFI have problems, or maybe I need more time to know it better, I also have 2 more Lanparty's 939 Expert-Opteron170@3000/UltraD-X2 3800+@2700 and had no problems at all, overcloking wise.

I have those
These are the same without led's i think. LED's can be usefull to detect weather the ram started or not during startup but they make a 17€ difference.

They go well with DFI, color wise.
I've been thinking if I should go 2Gb 1066 or 4Gb 800, and I have been targeting those Tracers.

[aGeoM]

nice temps, little too low even..

CPU/MOBO are OK, GPU 69/-1 LOL, no drivers yet.

Edit:

Installed Vista SP1 x64 with this Genius bios settings:



Running system:

[justapost]

I tried G-Skill's 2x2GB DDR2-1000 kit and it works in 1066 mode at 2,12V. Does ~550MHz at 2,2V. Unstable at 560MHz at 2,3V.

Also updated the SB600 drivers to those available on the DFI Site. I get 111MB/s instead of 109B/s average now and ~20MB/s higher burst.

@BrotherEsau: Did you manage to oc your phenom with above settings?

@aGeom: the 2GB kit matches perfect to the DFI mobo colorwise. The 4GB Kit would fit perfect in my sapphire version.
How much did you gain from weak mode? Did not help here in terms of cpu frequency. Tried to boot at 13,5x200 with 1,45V CPUV, managed to get into windows but the system freezes imediate after starting prime.
Also I think you should replace your RFC0 and RFC1 settings with each other, 75nm might even work for both.
Finaly, what are your load temps running prime at 2,75GHz? I get ~58&#176;C CPU and 46&#176;C core temps at 2.6GHZ/1.375V and ~62&#176; CPU and 48&#176; core temps at 2.6GHZ/1.45V.

[Brother Esau]

Hey, all you gents running Phenom Processors could you please tell me if any of you with Phenom are having Issues Running AMD Overdrive the Newest version on the DFI 790FX -M2R please?

I have installed the new version 2 times now once with my 6400+ BE and now with Phenom 9600 BE it detects the Phenom just fine but just opening it up to look at AOD and without making any adjustments what so ever in AOD I click OK and in previous versions it just closed the Application now in this version clicking OK it says AMD Overdrive is Applying Settings Please Wait and then it will just freeze and say its applying settings which was never requested to begin with and I have to end up closing it down through Task Manager 10 minutes later

So the real question here has AMD Overdrive Ever worked for any DFI 790FX-M2R /Phenom Owners? At any point
Please leave you're feed back because I am believing that its a Bios Issue because this Program has Locked up and wreaked havoc on any version of the Program with every Bios at least through my experiences

[KTE]

Thanks for the pic links.

That b/w is low, must be SP1, its very low for those timings.

About temps, what I meant is: if you have 1.4v real on Phenom at any MHz, 20C ambient, TRUE 2xDeltas, you can forget about being below 40C idle (without CnQ). Those software values you're seeing aren't temps, we've covered this a while ago. That's just Tcontrol. Actual temps will definitely be idling above 40C, very rarely below 45C at those volts. Hence, be careful

You're talking about 155W TDP there, it'll be very hot on air.

Try 1.44V 2.9-3.1G on Q6600/Q6700, that'll give it the same temps your Phenom is at as a comparison.

[Brother Esau]

I tried G-Skill's 2x2GB DDR2-1000 kit and it works in 1066 mode at 2,12V. Does ~550MHz at 2,2V. Unstable at 560MHz at 2,3V.

Also updated the SB600 drivers to those available on the DFI Site. I get 111MB/s instead of 109B/s average now and ~20MB/s higher burst.

@BrotherEsau: Did you manage to oc your phenom with above settings?

Actually tried the first template you put up before the others and it would not boot! I really need to do allot of reading on what Tony wrote on the Phenom situation with Overclocking and also threads from KTE, AussieFX, DaveBurt, Lightman and others to try to grasp the approach on working with the Bios settings with this Phenom


What would be the best 2X2GB 1066MHZ Ram kit for this Board that should have no problems running at low voltage @1066 in Bios please?

[Oese]

AOD in the newest Version works over here with the x2, but disables c'n'q and sets a somewhat lower voltage..

[justapost]

@BrotherEsau: Odd, here are manual settings for stock without CnQ. Your systems gets stuck at C1 or 25 ?

Genie Bios Settings
===================

Timing Mode				Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit		DDR 800
PCIE 3,4 State				Auto
PCIE 2 State				x2
AMD K8 Cool&Quiet control		Disabled
CPU CLock Ratio				11,5x
Spread Spectrum				Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock			200MHz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock		200MHz
CPU Host/HTT Adjust Gap			5MHz
PCIE Clock				100MHz


DRAM Configuration 
------------------

DCTs Mode				Ganged

MCT Memory Timings

MCT Memory Timing			Manual
2T Mode					Auto (Enabled)
CAS Latency Time			5 CLK
Precharge delay (tRAS)			16 CKL
DRAM RAS# Precharge			5 CLK
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay			5 CLK
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD)			Auto (4 CLK)
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay			Enabled
TLB Cache Mode				Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode			Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance			Disabled
Optimal Performance Mode		Disabled

ODC Controll Mode

DRAM Drivers Weak Mode			Normal drive
Output Driver Comp.			Auto

HT Link Control
---------------

HT Link Width				16 bit
HT Link Frequency			1.8 GHz
IH Flow-COntrol Mode			Disabled
HT Link Tristate			Disabled
2x LCLK Mode				Disabled
UnitID Clumping				Disabled

CPU-Feature
-----------

CPU-NB DID				1
CPU-NB FID				05
AMD CPU Stepping			P0

PWM-Setting
-----------

PWM Control				Enabled
CPU VID COntrol				1.25000V
CPU VID Specil Add			Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control			1.25000V
CPU NB VID Special Add			Auto
DRAM Voltage Control			2.12V
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage			1.2V
NB Core Voltage				1.200V
NB PCIE Voltage				1.200V
NB HT Voltage				1.290V

As an alternative leave "CPU Clock Ration" at AUTO, CnQ enabled and use a "CPU FID" of 07 with an "CPU DID" of 1 in the "CPU Feature" section first. Reboot disable "CnQ", reboot and use "CPU Clock Ratio" now.
It's like with memory timings, sometimes you can not do it in one step.

EDIT: Planet3dNow made an oc guide for phenom, they took alot of info out of tony's thread. Here is a translated version.

[Brother Esau]

Did not look at Post Code on LED actually was early in the AM and had been up all night worried about my little Buddy Marshall and this was just prior to walking out the Door too. Probably not the best time in the world to be doing overclocking on unfamiliar ground

What Bios are you guys with the Phenom Processors on anyways?