BIOSTAR TA770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX at the Egg

[gOtVoltage]

Also make shure the SB600 southbridge driver is installed...This also adds a ATI IDE controler in Device manager when its installed...If you dont see it in Device manager its not Installed...


http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...r.php?S_ID=310

Download the CHIPSET driver and Extract to C:\ then install it reboot when done...

This is a reqiured driver and prevents many crashes glitches...All windows Vista/XP installs a Microsoft driver by default ..This means check device manager ...If ATI IDE controler is not there download and install it..(pertains to 770/790 chipsets)

Also use the (Marvel Driver for Lan) from Biostar..The one Microsoft has is buggy for the Marvel Lan controler...

[Loser777]

Hmm, A770 is cheapest OCing board out there... the reviews look kinda ghey, but I bet half of them f**cked up the build themselves...
Is this board gonna limit ur OC any more than another AM2+ board, besides things like 4-phase, etc...

[Star_Hunter]

I was wondering if they are going to come out with this 770 chipset paired with the SB710 at some point since I am having a hard time deciding between a board like this biostar or getting an EVGA 590 SLI due to all the issues the come from the SB600. But according to gOtVoltage most of these issues are fixed by just making sure the SB600 drivers are installed.

[gOtVoltage]

Well things are getting better with this Mobo...Waiting on the Real 9600BE Bios Biostar is working on...they said it would be ready this month over two weeks ago...So im still waiting,, well all i can say for under $80.00 makes a decent clocker so far X2 and is getting better for Phenom with each Bios...

[Loser777]

Aight, I might just go with this or the Abit AX78... Phenom 9850 will tell all...

[Cisco Kid]

@ gOtVoltage I am flat out stumped. I reset bios to stock clocks, I then removed AOD, and AMD Power Option program, I removed cpuz and crystalcpuid as well as any other benching software like everest. I left the phenom driver installed

I reflashed the 228 bios, control panel following restart confirmed stock clocks, I then restarted and overclocked to 2.61 with all previous settings and onboard lan boot rom enabled. Then installed crystalcpuid and added the tlb.exe files to same directory crystalcpuid was installed which I created. The I checked clock speed with crystalcpuid, it showed 2.61 with the tlb patch disabled using version 1.04 as I was using 1.05 before, I then launched cpuz which again showed half the clock speed and a 5.5 multi.

I then tested using winrar benchmark and it confirmed something is off, as I was getting a speed of 350kb/s not the 1200-1400 I should get at full speed. I am fully stumped and I can only see this being solved with a friggin format which really sux as I will lose game progress.... enough for tonite will come back see what you guys can suggest. By what I have posted have I installed the tlb fix correct, is there something I may have needed to edit, any screenshots needed that may help me prevent a format? I will be pissed if I format and still have the issue.....

Note I had always wondered what ATI SMbus was as I had a read x beside it in hardware control panel, I installed the chipset driver you linked to above hoping it would resolve the issue, still same problem, I am not getting the proper rate with winrar benchmark, the fix does not appear to be taking even though it says it is enabled and I am at full speed upon running the exe file. 5.5 multi still shows up with half clock speed with cpuz and core temp shows each core at 2612.xx (475.xx x 5.5) I am perplexed and enough for now

[KTE]

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch.

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely.

[Cisco Kid]

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch.

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely.

@ KTE

Thanks for your help I have popsted back the values, great to hear a format will not correct as I was about to just start but will leave alone till home from work later and see your feedback/suggestions/corrections. Currently system is returned to default settings for now as I had planned to format, glad to hear may be able to solve otherwise. CnQ is disabled as well as smart fan option also

RDMSR Values:
0xC0010070 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010062 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00000000
0xC0010064 > EDX 0x800001BD EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010065 > EDX 0x8000018D EAX 0x30003046

Hoping this looks to be my issue on line 2, I am unfamiliar with editing the prog, be back later

thanks

[gOtVoltage]

Ok ....This is definatly wierd....

Between what KTE and me and other have said should of fixed that.......


Maybe you Could you try the 125.BST or the latest 222.BST Official Bioses....set the defaults for your Chip...It has the TLB fix enabled but ,,im pretty shure the FIX or TLBdisabled is not your problem in the 228.TLB BIOS....Almost seems CnQ is not Off/disabled in Bios or Windows when using NPTfid even though you have it set to disabled.

It should read normal values of 11x200FSB...with (CnQ on in Bios) . Once you turn CnQ (off with 125.BST or 222.BST or even 228.TLB) it should now show half clocks unless you have NPTfid set to 11x2200mhz with the 228.TLB.

Polygon at RebelsHaven is using a 9500 and same Bios....Im shure if you post in this thread http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=49 he could give ya the much needed help...

I believe Sam2008 and Orion is using a phenom and TA770 and same Bios as well ...In all its probally something simple were all overlooking


NOTE:,,
Also have you tried another NPTfid instead of the 8x...
I was only able to get use of 8.5x or Higher NPTfid and using HT/NB as low as 5x = 1200mhz...

Try the 9xNPTFID with 250fsb = CPU@2250mhz use 1400mhzNB and HT 2gig = 1400mhz...this will make HT/NB 1750mhz...Use a low memory divider like 400/533..

You may have come across a MOBO bug using a certain NPTfid multi who knows...

Before trying another BIos Check the settings in the screens posted...Differance you should have will be the use of a NPTfid Multi ,,FSB ,, Memory divider,,Voltages. For the Most part everything else should remain on Auto except for things you dont use like USB's Esata and maybe the BOOTLAN(TLBfixOFF) ..

If using SATA make shure you Use the ONBOARD Sata in IDE mode...

Hope this helps ya..

DISABLE VIrtulization..



DISABLE SmartT FAN



HT link width 16x....

HT 200 = 200mhz ,, HT 400 = 400mhz ,, HT 600 = 600mhz,, HT 800 = 800mhz,,

HT 1gig = 1000mhz,, HT 1.8gig = 1200mhz,, HT 2.0gig = 1400mhz,, HT 2.2gig =1600mhz,,

HT 2.4gig = 1800mhz max 2.6gig is same as 2.4gig...

Note; Raising FSB above 230 you will lower HT and NB the same from 1800mhz to say 1600mhz...and above 240fsb to say 1400mhz/1200mhz..The fsb will bring this value back up....You want to try to keep it around 1800mhz for your Oc..Mobo dosnt like below 1200MHZ with High FSB..



TIMING MODE under MCT must be set to manual to allow changing the Memory Dividers 400/533/667/800works and 1066 defaults to 800mhz..Set your RAM DIVIDER lower than 800mhz before you Oc or you could max your ram if it dosnt clock well.



MCT Timing i keep AUTO for first boot ..ehn go back and set to manual if you want to tighten timing...



If overclocking and manualy setting the Ram Dividers make shure (AUTO TWEAK and OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE MODE EPP is OFF) It can set Timing too low and Crash the system..i prefer manual timinig anyway..



CnQ must be off to access these options Below....

The 228.TLB BIOS Beta
CPU NB-fid ...

CPU DID = dont touch...keep it at 1...

CPU fid...Set value of CPU Higher or lower....
you can use this in conbination of raising FSB/CPUclock...

In the BIOS on boot it will only show what CPUNPT multi freqency your using it will not show FSB..Its Bios glitch...In windows it will show correct clocks or if you use the Memtest in Bios..

last Voltages will vary for some cpu's over others...HT volts will need to go up alittle and maybe NB/SB....its trial and error really.....




If you have any more qestions or need more screens of other Bios settings just let me know ...

[Cisco Kid]

@ KTE & gOtVoltage:


Well I am gonna flash to the most recent Biostar bios. I just dropped the multi to 10x

I reduced 2.2> 2GHZ
1600>1400
fsb > 250
ram default
=2.5ghz

Core temp and cpuz still show the half multi and here is the real weird thing it is the same 5.5 not 5. Onboard lan boot rom is enabled cnq is disabled as well as smart fan option, Control panel system shows system at 2.5 crystal cpuid shows 2.5 core temp shows correct clock speed of 2.5 but beside it shows 454.58x5.5 and cpuz show half the clock speed. Take alook at the screenshot below, somethng is messed up, how does cpuz show clockspeed at 1375.1 with a multi of 5.5 and the other progs show the clock speed of 2.5

I have taken a sceenshot of tlb showing the patch is disabled correct? Why are the RDMSR values all 0's could this be where the problem lies KTE



I am gonna clock to stock and then flash a different bios any suggestions, original Biostar? Their latest?

[gOtVoltage]

Try the Origanal 125.TSB....It does have the TLBfix enabled and wil be slower

I believe you can raise the FSB up to 210/220/230 using this Bios to check to see if in fact the FSB or clocks are working correct...

IE: 210x11 = 2310mhz 220x11 = 2420mhz and so forth...At least That what its suppose to be...

I do know that CnQ disabled will show 1/2 clocks in windows while using the AMD Phenom driver...Also if the AMD DRIVER NEVER INSTALLS Correctly or is corrupt it will always read incorrect clocks....

Also Do you have any program installed that changes the registers or monitors Phenom that may be conflicting in your OS...I mean anything that can access the CPU via reg/MSR...

Its like some program/driver isnt allowing CnQ to operate normal in windows..

One final thing ,,what happens if you go to a KNOW GOOD restore point before you overclocked anything? If its software or driver maybe it will fix it?...

Well i cant think of anything more...I hope something works...

Dang i just noticed that your using the TLB disable tool along with the 228.BST Bios...I thought Sam's tool worked for Vista but not XP...i wonder if its enabling something that isnt suppose too..Seeing the BIOS has its own ENABLE/Disable funtion they could be conflicting..

[gOtVoltage]

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..




ALSO with (CnQ ON )stock defaults have you gone into windows and uninstalled AMD PHENOM DRIVER then Reboot and Reinstall the Driver...with 228.BST bios? For some reason it looks like the AMD driver is not working....If i remove just the AMD driver on my sytem the same thing happens....

[Cisco Kid]

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..

Okay so if I am on XP with SP2 and prolly 3 should I just be using the onboard lan boot enabled selection to disable the tlb patch? But I would think that you would only cause a conflict if you run the tlb patch Sam created while in windows in addition to the onboard boot lan rom being enabled


Now I think I may have found an issue, I flashed to 228 using the biostar flash utility, I have no floppy in my system and am unsure how to do via usb key. kick me 30 times in the head if using the windows based flash utility may have caused some sort of issue. I will wait for a reply, I do not want to go to 125 bios, before I do that I will install Vista business edition that I have although it is 32bit and I am waiting to go 64

I just checked his thread the tool works for XP but still looking to see if it works with 228 bios and XP

[gOtVoltage]

Also ,, i just read his thread too... I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove reinstall it..

lastly when you press Cntrl Alt and then tap DEL for Task manager does it show 4cpu boxes? For CPU usage History..If theres only 2boxes somethings wrong with the driver or XP install..

..Also if the Flash took and your in windows it should be good..That tool downloads the Bios to the HD and then Flashes it live..If you followed everything correctly it should be alright...

For PHENOM 32bit unless you have a 9850 stick with 32bit,,64bit is still alittle buggy yet for Overclocking B2's

[Cisco Kid]

Also ,, i just read his thread too... I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove reinstall it..

lastly when you press Cntrl Alt and then tap DEL for Task manager does it show 4cpu boxes? For CPU usage History..If theres only 2boxes somethings wrong with the driver or XP install..

..Also if the Flash took and your in windows it should be good..That tool downloads the Bios to the HD and then Flashes it live..If you followed everything correctly it should be alright...

For PHENOM 32bit unless you have a 9850 stick with 32bit,,64bit is still alittle buggy yet for Overclocking B2's

Well AMD processor driver is in the control panel, 4 cores do show in task manager, I am on XP Pro SP2. I downloaded the bios from rebels haven, extracted the bios file to desktop then ran the biostar utility to flash.

I checked Biostar and see there was a newer flash utility however I d/l it and tried to run it but nothing happens. So I uninstalled it and will try again perhaps file was corrupted. If 64 bit is a bit buggy I will leave XP SP2 for now. I have not reflashed 228 yet , I am running a dual boot with XP Pro SP2 and XP64, I should load up software on the XP64 partition and see what readings it shows with the same progs, I still bet it will show the 5.5 multi issue

I need to figure this issue out cause I need winrar to run at full speed as I use it alot and noticed on a 4 gb file it took forever, in addition I want full speed not some gibbled system

Gonna try the flash right now then some tv enough reboots this eve

[gOtVoltage]

Your Dual Booting XP32 and x64XP....Depending on what OS was installed first ...I believe its Suppose to be XP32bit and then install 64bit if i remeber correct...


Your 32bit Os i bet is messed up from the 64bit partition/Instalation maybe

Ive had that happen when i installed 64bitXP pro and Then XP32bit was installed after...

I couldnt figure things out and then Fdisked it all and Ran just 64bit when i first had Phenom...After i found Phenom didnt like X64XP too much i switched to XP32bit...

I will no longer Dual boot those two Os's...

I believe thats what your problem really may be...Is a Dual booting issue!

[Cisco Kid]

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

[gOtVoltage]

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

Make shure you use Sams Fix for VistaSP1 and im pretty shure that was tested with 228.TLB...

..Hmm sounds like Murphy's Law say's "If you say you arnt reformatting ,,You will be reformattingJ/K had too...been there a few times too.


Note: Vista 32bit and DX10 what id do ..Also XP Pro with SP3 runs smooth but no DX10...and no TLBfix is in Sp2 or Sp3 if you like XP..( XP32bitSp3 is what im running ATM) ..

keep me posted...curios.....

[tictac]

when you run a dual boot XP32 must be the first system installed I learn't that the hard way.

I have given though to that and I am just gonna do a fresh format and just either use Vista 32bit or XP Pro I am unsure right now. If I go Vista do I want to update with SP1, Thats my last question for tonight.....

Yes please fresh install XP 32bit SP2

[Cisco Kid]

Yes please fresh install XP 32bit SP2

tictac, you usually have some great posts, I went Vista 32 bit ultimate, I hope it will solve my issue as I was just tired of installing and removing software, hopefully if I layer the right shat on my B2 Phenom works proper as it clocks quite well and all I want is 2.7, yeah I know you may be thinking 2.7, why not 3ghz, I just don't wanna go there , frankly I regret getting rid of my x3210 680i system at this point...

but all the love and kind help here is making up for it , appreciate it guys as I usually spend time on oc.com but have been outa the game for a while

[KTE]

Your MSR are pretty screwy there, they're reading 00 for NB VID and 1.25 for CPU VID, which would I've no idea why, but to me it looks like blank rather than any returned value. It looks fudged, either because of OS or BIOS+OS. Flashing a different BIOS will show you if its OS based better and looking at what you've done, new OS is the way to go now.

Would be a good idea to see what happens when you change CPU VID/CPU FID to lower and higher using that app. going through P-States.

[gOtVoltage]

Testing new BIOS OFFICAL 328.BST ....Download from Rebelshaven ,,There is also one that has the TLB disable BootLan ..Im using it now...This Bios was released to Better the 9600BE performance ....I no longer get any random crash @2500mhz like all the other Bioses..So they did something good..The draw back they took away the MCT timing feature

The Pro is the NB runs 1000/mb/s faster than the Previous Bios with TLBpatch..

I was hopeing for more stuff from them but ,Im shure well see from the next Bios..This one is lots more Stable with 9600BE and thats what i wanted...


New Bios...Today....
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=50

Maybe give this one a shot Cisco....

Note: XP32bit Sp2/3 so far has been most stable for me as well..Im temted to go with Vista32bit for DX10...But am using XP32bit untill the TA/770 Bioses are More stable from Biostar...They are improving

[HDed]

Testing new BIOS OFFICAL 328.BST ....Download from Rebelshaven ,,There is also one that has the TLB disable BootLan ..Im using it now...This Bios was released to Better the 9600BE performance ....I no longer get any random crash @2500mhz like all the other Bioses..So they did something good..The draw back they took away the MCT timing feature

The Pro is the NB runs 1000/mb/s faster than the Previous Bios with TLBpatch..

I was hopeing for more stuff from them but ,Im shure well see from the next Bios..This one is lots more Stable with 9600BE and thats what i wanted...


New Bios...Today....
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=50

Maybe give this one a shot Cisco....

Note: XP32bit Sp2/3 so far has been most stable for me as well..Im temted to go with Vista32bit for DX10...But am using XP32bit untill the TA/770 Bioses are More stable from Biostar...They are improving

how those BIOS perform on X2?

[gOtVoltage]

Havnt had time to throw in the old X2-6000+ I may in about an Hour just to see how it clocks with the 3870x2 and this Bios....

Im trying for 2.6/2.7mhz with the 9600BE...These Bioses still limit the Phenon to around 2.58mhz-2.6mhz...So far 9500/9600/9600BE ive only seen 2.58mhz stable with TA770...Im pretty shure its 100% Bios related seeing only half the Options work with Phenom...

On the Other hand the X2 chips reach 300+fsb and still clock to 3.5mhz with Official Bioses ,,so for now it seems Biostar has a lot of work to do yet for Phenom...

[Cisco Kid]

So just to confirm if I run the modded 328 tlb bios I use the tlb pact in order to disable/ Is the onboard boot lan rom "enable" still used or does one leave it disabled with Vista 32 bit OS

I flashed before work and the Biostar 328 bios would not let system reboot with stock clocks, it would just hang so I have to fiddle some more