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    Quote Originally Posted by xMrBunglex View Post
    call me an old grouch, but is there an actual practical difference? if a game isn't playable on the 3870, it isn't playable on the 9800 either. if a game is playable on the 9800, it's also playable on the 3870. am i wrong? Need for Speed 4xAA is pushing it with the 3870, but you only need 30 fps on driving games. so are those meaningless numbers worth an extra $150? apparently the jury says yes. i'll pass though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fornowagain View Post
    174.60 fixes it.

    Crysis will run on a single GX2, and be enjoyable!

    The [H] review: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
    The parts I enjoyed the most:

    "The XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 allows a very enjoyable gameplay experience in Crysis at high resolutions. As you can see above, for the first time we have found Anisotropic Filtering to be playable in Crysis using these dual-GPU configurations".

    This is the kind of info we needed to know...

    "With two GeForce 8800 GTs in SLI we found 8X AF was playable at 1600x1200 but we had to disable it at 1920x1200 in order to keep “High” Shaders Quality and “High” Texture Quality".

    It was good to know that it would take more than two 8800 GT's to match the performance level you get from the GX2...

    "The Radeon HD 3870 X2, however, had a large impact on performance when AF was enabled at 1920x1200, and when we tried 16X AF at 1600x1200. We found 8X AF was playable at 1600x1200, and disabling it still did not allow us to raise any of the settings to “High.”

    "Besides AF, there were some major in-game quality differences between the XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 and ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2. As you can see, at 1600x1200 and 1920x1200 the game was playable only be setting everything to “Medium” on the Radeon HD 3870 X2. The XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 however was able to run with almost everything at “High” at 1600x1200 (save for Objects and Post Processing Quality.) At 1920x1200 it was able to produce higher Texture Quality, Higher Shaders Quality and higher Volumetric Quality, along with 8X AF. The experience was night and day between the XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 and ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 in Crysis, at any resolution".

    I enjoyed they confirmed the fact that the HD 3870x2 will not look as good in game play as a GX2, nor can we expect the same level of performance in games using it.... (Not sure everybody was on board with that.)

    "One important fact about the XFX GeForce 9800 GX2s performance in Crysis is that it perfectly matches the gameplay experience of two GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB video cards in SLI".

    Just a good fact to know.... Especially for us non SLI mobo guy's!

    Here we see the Radeon HD 3870 X2 trailing, it is important to note that while it doesn’t look so bad in this graph, it felt very bad actually playing the game. It was as if there was severe lagging and choppiness as we played the game at these settings on the Radeon HD 3870 X2, it certainly felt worse than it looks on the graph.

    XFX has put together a solid bundle with the XFX GeForce 9800 GX2. The video card performed great, with no hardware problems; it had a very solid feel to it. We were quite impressed with the overclocking ability, and while it is not guaranteed we do feel the GX2 has some good overclocking potential.

    The XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 games extremely well, allowing a very high level of gameplay experience in Crysis and the shader intensive game Jericho. The GX2 performance matched that of GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB SLI.
    The real advantage to the GeForce 9800 GX2 is going to be its ability to allow non-SLI motherboard owners a better performing alternative than the current 8800 GTX.

    Totally agree, and plan on taking adventage if that myself!!

    Glad they thought the card was a beauty also...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy_3D View Post
    That's not fair, it's a 2 on 1 fight

    Still impressive how they got even lower power consumption than the Ultra, even with 2 cards.
    Can I ask what you paid for your Ultra? Just wondering if it was more than a GX2. ($599.99 Currently)
    Allot of people think the GX2 is way too expensive. I don't see it that way myself. More par for the coarse in my book, especially with the performance you get...

    If nVidia wouldn't have told us the GX2 was the Ultra's replacement, there probably wouldn't be so many direct comparisons between the two.

    They also threw out there that the GX2 would be 30% faster than an Ultra at a minimum, so allot of us were looking to confirm that number. I was..

    Some are saying it's not fair to compare ATI's flagship card (The 3870x2) against a GX2 because it's cheeper...

    Nobody wants to be compared to the GX2 these days withought calling foul! I guess it is an odd bird that just likes to fly fast?

    Go GX2!
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    Crysis? is that all you got? nobody plays Crysis. there's no way in hell i'm paying $600 for a g-card so i can play Crysis.
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    Crysis is overrated but the card tears through everything else as well and besides with this sort of performance you'll still be gaming at good settings in 6 months time imho.

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    i'm just trying to help a few people save money. you can buy a different g-card and the same games will be playable for $150 less.
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    by force ware 180, the GX2s performance would have plateaued. with ati on the other hand, there will be alot more performance gains during the life of the card. id say that the card will reach within 10 percent of the gx2 before no more performance can be squeezed out. factor in the price advantage and lower power consumption and the 3870x2 is the best buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMrBunglex View Post
    i'm just trying to help a few people save money. you can buy a different g-card and the same games will be playable for $150 less.
    True but the ATI card is giving borderline playable frame rates in some cases whereas the GX2 pushed things into the comfort zone. I for one don't see myself buying an ATI card because I really got burned a couple of time by their drivers a year or so back. Besides some people will pay more money for the GX2 simply because they want the best.

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    Heck, as much as I spent on building my rig, I don't want save a few bucks on the GPU...

    I agree, it's not the best bang for the buck, but the high-end never is really...

    How much was an ultra?
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    I'm pretty sure the Ultra was over $600 and lots of people still bought them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeywoman View Post
    by force ware 180, the GX2s performance would have plateaued. with ati on the other hand, there will be alot more performance gains during the life of the card. id say that the card will reach within 10 percent of the gx2 before no more performance can be squeezed out. factor in the price advantage and lower power consumption and the 3870x2 is the best buy.
    That sounds familiour for some reson, was not the same thing said about HD2900XT when it not performed in anything other than 3dmark and get overrunned hard by 8800GTX in games and reallife?
    And now the same fairytale but this time around 3870X2 and driver to unleach something magic that really don´t exists in the architecture that HD2900XT and HD3870 is based on? You can se why my BS bell is ringing (once again) right.
    The only way in my mind for ATI to catch up and fast before it is to late is to release the "50% better than HD3870X2 that is "only" on par with expectation" namely R700 aka 4870X2 or whatever they will call it. But not even that is going to be good enought to beet the "old" 9800Gx2 in some cases and i doubt that it will be enough to fight of G92b 9900Gx2 or 55nm 9800Gx2 or not even an "old" OC:ed 9800Gx2 when the time is here for the topdog battle and only 50% is added in performance over 3870X2.
    And as Talonman i could not care less about anything else but 1920x1200+ with AA and AF added.

    That the comon sence is to wait for "better card if you have 8800GTX or Ultra" is starting to piss me off big time when ATI can´t even do better than just 50% better than their new/old stuff that not even is the best around performecewice, not even in top three and that with 2 cores and not be able to beeting the old 8800 Ultra so my fait in ATI and that they can do anything right for once is just about nothing atm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talonman View Post
    Heck, as much as I spent on building my rig, I don't want save a few bucks on the GPU...

    I agree, it's not the best bang for the buck, but the high-end never is really...

    How much was an ultra?
    $680-900 for an EVGa now for the last ones though their website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMrBunglex View Post
    call me an old grouch, but is there an actual practical difference? if a game isn't playable on the 3870, it isn't playable on the 9800 either. if a game is playable on the 9800, it's also playable on the 3870. am i wrong? Need for Speed 4xAA is pushing it with the 3870, but you only need 30 fps on driving games. so are those meaningless numbers worth an extra $150? apparently the jury says yes. i'll pass though.
    You need more than 30fps, dont know where that number came but 30 fps is not what you will want, for optimal gameplay you need 60fps

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    Well heck, if an 8800 Ultra is $680 to $900, a GX2 is a steal at $599.99 and faster!! (Quad SLI ready to boot.)
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    you want the best they make you pay...

    when hasnt it been like that for computer toys?

    9800gx2~/=8800gts sli without the sli mobo requirement

    i would expect 8800ultra prices to fall slightly....but then it doesnt rely on 2x gpu functionality/drivers so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamsleath View Post
    you want the best they make you pay...

    when hasnt it been like that for computer toys?
    Sad, but true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by E.R View Post
    That sounds familiour for some reson, was not the same thing said about HD2900XT when it not performed in anything other than 3dmark and get overrunned hard by 8800GTX in games and reallife?
    don't turn this into an ATI vs. Nvidia flame war. nobody is recommending a 2900 XT. Xtremesystems is better than this.

    Metro, you only need 30 fps on driving games. you need 60 on shooters, but driving games don't look any different at higher framerates. and besides, that review's claim of 33 fps for the 3870 X2 seems way low to me. i'll reinstall the game on my computer and see what i get.
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    I am confused with the power connector, an 8-pin and a 6-pin? Enlighten me pls
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    Yepper, you need 1 of each. Some PSU's give them to you stock, some don't.

    There is talk of more people starting to including an adapters in the box with the GX2's, to help the guys out that don't have the 8 pin I believe...
    The BFG 9800 GX2 does include an adapter already...

    I was lucky and have both stock with my PSU.

    One other thing is the locking clips that keep the power cords in, may need to be moded. The clips face each other, and may interfere with each other. I am not too sure on this point. I have heard it also said that the power cables may plug in fine, but there isn't enouigh room to remove the clips due to the locking tabs being unaccessiable due to space constraints. Again, not really sure. You might be playing for keeps when you plug the power cables in?

    I am sure I will find a way around the issue, and see that my GX2 get's all the juce it requires.

    I laugh at the guy's that like to post 'You baught too much PSU!'. Never...

    "The following is a list of power supplies which have been tested to work on NVIDIA® GeForce® 9800 GX2. These power supplies meet the requirements for power rating, have at least one 6-pin and one 8-pin PCI Express power connector, and support NVIDIA® HybridPower™ mode". http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce...wr_supply.html

    You can add the Toughpower 1000w Cable Management PSU to the list too...
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    Just take off the metal shroud, simple enough and any 6/8 pin will fit.

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    Good idea! Thans for the tip.
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    Welp! Just to let you know where my system performance is currently with my Q6600 @3.8GHz and 8600 GT OC to (Core-606MHz, Memory-801MHs, and shader-1333MHz). Stock settings are (Core-540MHz, Memory-700MHs, and shader-1188MHz).

    I set my registered version of 3DMark06 (Came free with the Maximus), to the res I want to run at, with 2xAA on. Ran the test just to see my fps.

    3DMark06 @ 1920x1200 with 2xAA, Vista Ultimate with SP1 installed.

    Total Score = 2,068
    SM2.0 Score = 819
    Return to Proxycon = 7.817fps
    Firefly Forest = 5.825fps
    HDR/SM3.0 Score = 621
    Canyon Flight = 5.394fps
    Deep Freeze = 7.021
    CPU Score = 5,403
    CPU1 Red Valley = 1.820fps
    CPU2 Red Valley = 2.566fps

    My system has room for improvement....
    I'll run it the same way after the GX2 is installed and see how much the fps moved...

    I installed FRAPS 2.9.4.

    In COD4 1920 x 1200 AAx2
    Sync every frame - NO
    Shadows - NO
    Specular Map - NO
    Everything else to YES or Normal

    34 to 39 fps in game play.


    Crysis 1920 x 1200 AA off
    Fullscreen X'ed
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    Plane flying in - 4 to 7 fps
    'OK gentlemen listen up' scene - 10 fps
    'Parachute in' scene - 11 fps
    Swimming in the water to the beach - 8 to 9 fps

    Wow... my 8600 GT is an animal... Not!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMrBunglex View Post
    don't turn this into an ATI vs. Nvidia flame war. nobody is recommending a 2900 XT. Xtremesystems is better than this.
    I don´t and will not since i would love ATI to be back in the game and force the development of speed forward more than now has been done rather than sideways with "only" 30% or around that, but Monkeywoman is flaming by make that stupid statement about "magic" driver when we all know it is BS stinks high heaven.
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    Ujesh Desri nVidia's GeForce General Manager speaking about the GX2.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YUdMrU4yXH8

    Sounds like the driver support might be better this time around to me...
    Last edited by Talonman; 03-23-2008 at 05:41 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeywoman View Post
    factor in the price advantage and lower power consumption and the 3870x2 is the best buy.

    lol ok.. I care more about performance and the GX2 is a much better card esp. in Quake Wars
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    This video graphically illustrates your point safan80!!

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAo_sxUBVVI

    GX2 -vs- ATI Video...

    Last edited by Talonman; 03-23-2008 at 06:20 AM.
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    I have just takin the plunge and ordered a 9800gx2 for €420, I sold my 8800gtx over 3 weeks ago for a decent price ( €280 ), been using a 7600gt for the last few weeks...

    Anyway will my system show it off to the best of its abiltiy?

    Q6700 @ 3.20ghz ( can go to 3.50ghz max)
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    This what my 8800gtx @ stock was getting on 3dmark 06



    What should I expect with my new card?

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