MARS really is quite a sweet board now bios is mature

[LagunaX]

There is a foxconn mars for sale for $175 in the for sale section I just noticed...

[Pej]

Hello again
Who has the memory detection problem on this board please?(quantity installed)
I'm i the only one?

There's a "memory remap" feature on Asus board effectivly..Nothing on the Foxconn..
Still don't find the solution..Only get 2,75gb detected instead of 4gb..

[Spyrus]

52 is bang on where its at, i set 54 to allow some margin of error thats all.
Also when you compare tRFC to voltage 54 may allow slightly lower than 52 with 60 allowing lower than 54....its a very fine line though

Ok, cleared now less voltage for same clocks but not necessary higher clocks with same volts.
As far as performance wise tRFC do not slow memories enough to notice any
difference at least up to 52 according to everest bandwidth.

[Bl4ck^!]

52 is bang on where its at, i set 54 to allow some margin of error thats all.
Also when you compare tRFC to voltage 54 may allow slightly lower than 52 with 60 allowing lower than 54....its a very fine line though

have you tested more tighter (4-5) Performance level ? , how is it 4x1gb clocking on this board.

[Spyrus]

I am also interesting in that.
For example i have found that 2x2GB needs no more additional nb voltage for
same clocks as 2x1GB for same PL (can be as low as with 2x1GB). But 4x1GB sure does, but i do not know how much more...

[spn]

Foxconn we demand new bios for p35a/-s! Can you hear us!?

p33 - multplier change feature broken - tell me why foxconn?
p34, p35 - wtf, this is a bios? bull, motherboard doesn't boot, many people have a many problems with this bioses, awesome, big lol. With Patriot LLK CL4 2x1GB mb doesn't boot, big lool too.

Alpha timing settings - we need too.

WE NEED NEW BIOS FOXCONN!

[Ace-a-Rue]

Hello again
Who has the memory detection problem on this board please?(quantity installed)
I'm i the only one?

There's a "memory remap" feature on Asus board effectivly..Nothing on the Foxconn..
Still don't find the solution..Only get 2,75gb detected instead of 4gb..

are you using XP SP2?

here is a quote from windows article that might help you:

PAE is supported only on 32-bit versions of the Windows operating system. 64-bit versions of Windows do not support PAE. For information about device driver and system requirements for 64-bit versions of Windows, see 64-bit System Design.

Although support for PAE memory is typically associated with support for more than 4 GB of RAM, PAE can be enabled on Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003, and later 32-bit versions of Windows to support hardware enforced Data Execution Prevention (DEP).

Operating System Support. The PAE kernel is not enabled by default for systems that can support more than 4 GB of RAM.

To boot the system and utilize PAE memory, the /PAE switch must be added to the corresponding entry in the Boot.ini file. If a problem should arise, Safe Mode may be used, which causes the system to boot using the normal kernel (support for only 4 GB of RAM) even if the /PAE switch is part of the Boot.ini file.

The PAE mode kernel requires an Intel Architecture processor, Pentium Pro or later, more than 4 GB of RAM, and Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows Server 2003.

The PAE kernel can be enabled automatically without the /PAE switch present in the boot entry if the system has DEP enabled (/NOEXECUTE switch is present) or the system processor supports hardware-enforced DEP. Presence of the /NOEXECUTE switch on a system with a processor that supports hardware-enforced DEP implies the /PAE switch. If the system processor is capable of hardware-enforced DEP and the /NOEXECUTE switch is not present in the boot entry, Windows assumes /NOEXECUTE=optin by default and enables PAE mode. For more information, see the topic "Boot Options in a Boot.ini File" in the Windows DDK.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system...AE/PAEdrv.mspx

added a pic to show the PAE switch is active with it allowing up to 3.25gb of 4 gb's to be utilized with installed software.

[zfactor]

i can say with vista sp1 installed i now show all 4gb of ram..

[Ace-a-Rue]

how did you do that?...share

[Praz]

Vista 32Bit SP1 was changed to show the amount of ram installed instead of the amount available to the operating system.

[Ace-a-Rue]

aaah!...thought he was referring to XP SP1

[bingo13]

Can't say much without details. If your Video Card is unstable, this surely can happen.

Video card is stable, but that is not the point. The point is that unless you stress your entire system by various means, it is naive to say that one stress test or another will determine stability. I abide by the old saying, "Your hardware is only as stable as the software it is running."

[RGone]

Dear Bingo13

I have an unstable video card also. I have been trying to balance mine on end to prove stability, and have failed quite miserably. Do check your video stableness. RGone...

Video card is stable, but that is not the point. The point is that unless you stress your entire system by various means, it is naive to say that one stress test or another will determine stability. I abide by the old saying, "Your hardware is only as stable as the software it is running."

[RGone]

Ah Hah, before it was all smoke and mirrors, but now you get what they think you want??

Vista 32Bit SP1 was changed to show the amount of ram installed instead of the amount available to the operating system.

[Nosfer@tu]

This is true....however, leaving and/or poorly applying of TIM to the NB/SB and Mosfets is not. That's poor manufacturing and assembly and quality control.

Mel

That is the standard, you cant blame foxcoon for that.
They build and produce what the customer wants and pays for.

Already did see post #29

Yes I like your reviews mate.

Almost every Foxconn P35 board including the Mars is available in Germany. The Foxconn Digital Life X38A board is on stock as well. But no signs of "BlackOps"

Because X48 is not launched yet.

Hello again
Who has the memory detection problem on this board please?(quantity installed)
I'm i the only one?

There's a "memory remap" feature on Asus board effectivly..Nothing on the Foxconn..
Still don't find the solution..Only get 2,75gb detected instead of 4gb..

http://www.quantum-force.net/ This is where you will get the help you need.

Foxconn we demand new bios for p35a/-s! Can you hear us!?

p33 - multplier change feature broken - tell me why foxconn?
p34, p35 - wtf, this is a bios? bull, motherboard doesn't boot, many people have a many problems with this bioses, awesome, big lol. With Patriot LLK CL4 2x1GB mb doesn't boot, big lool too.

Alpha timing settings - we need too.

WE NEED NEW BIOS FOXCONN!

http://www.quantum-force.net/ You 2.

[jcool]

Hm, Foxconn Mars... just one question: Can it hold a 65nm Quad@>4Ghz under SS that is running full load 24/7? That's a CPU that killed two IX38 by sheer current, and somehow I only trust the DFI to hold it in place. But I'll read Supershanks' article on the Mars, I'm sure it'll help me decide

About tRFC setting, I'm usually running 28 with 4x1GB D9GMH.. not a problem. I think you just need high tRFC with 8GB. I sucessfully tested 8GB reaperX 800 at 800 4-4-4 and 1,9V on the evga 680i with tRFC 42. However 850 wasn't even stable - higher tRFC might have helped, but I didn't know it then.

[Ace-a-Rue]

Dear Bingo13

I have an unstable video card also. I have been trying to balance mine on end to prove stability, and have failed quite miserably. Do check your video stableness. RGone...

bob, bingo13 is AKA, gary key, anandtech.com reviewer...you better believe he stesses every inch of the board and hardware operating on it.

[bingo13]

bob, bingo13 is AKA, gary key, anandtech.com reviewer...you better believe he stesses every inch of the board and hardware operating on it.

That is just his sense of humor... He is still upset that I call him Pops. I tried standing my video card on the desk, it was not stable at all until I bent the bracket a little. It has been stable all afternoon and I have run over 6 hours of Linpack 64, Bejeweled 2, and Crysis concurrently without it falling over yet.

p.s. We might get a new Pro BIOS this week... In regards to the MARS board, they have come a long way with it, the first time we looked at the board, it would not POST 2x2GB at all, now it is one of the better boards for 8GB usage.

[Ace-a-Rue]

That is just his sense of humor... He is still upset that I call him Pops. I tried standing my video card on the desk, it was not stable at all until I bent the bracket a little. It has been stable all afternoon and I have run over 6 hours of Linpack 64, Bejeweled 2, and Crysis concurrently without it falling over yet.

p.s. We might get a new Pro BIOS this week... In regards to the MARS board, they have come a long way with it, the first time we looked at the board, it would not POST 2x2GB at all, now it is one of the better boards for 8GB usage.

...you know, i saw a picture of pops a few days back

GREAT about the Pro bios!!

what's the verdict on the Foxconn X38A?...about the same as the MARS?

[Cronos]

Video card is stable, but that is not the point. The point is that unless you stress your entire system by various means, it is naive to say that one stress test or another will determine stability. I abide by the old saying, "Your hardware is only as stable as the software it is running."

I have an infiniband card in my primary PCE_E x16 slot(s) So i don't care much about
gaming stability and frankly don't know much.
All i want is that reviewers start using Linpack 64 on regular basis, and do this properly. As well as more thoroughly test stability then 8GB is installed. I have not built PCs with less than 8GB for 2 years already , but these were all dual-cpu machines. My first foray into modern desktop world was somewhat disappointing - not in performance, performance is great and far better than on any common server platform available today.
It's just common neglect of proper stability testing what pissing me off.

[Praz]

Proper stability testing according to who? You? Everything in life is a compromise. As Gary has already said the only proof of stability is the the 24/7 software that's used. And to be honest, Linpack is no better at showing stability then other commonly used software is. There is no one software that does this, period. And to use the phrase "common neglect" not only shows a lack of knowledge of this industry but is plain rude.

[RGone]

Glad you got that video card stable upright. Took me longer than that. I expect you are not fixing to instill anymore stable tests? I along with many are already pretty well satisfied with the tests that are done. No sense in adding another test to muddy the waters. If one needs his other tests done it would be better if they did their own testing and interpretting. No additional problems that way. Keep up the good work man. Pops...

[Ace-a-Rue]

Video card is stable, but that is not the point. The point is that unless you stress your entire system by various means, it is naive to say that one stress test or another will determine stability. I abide by the old saying, "Your hardware is only as stable as the software it is running."

I have an infiniband card in my primary PCE_E x16 slot(s) So i don't care much about
gaming stability and frankly don't know much.

if you don't care, why should bingo13 care...i know, a smart-arse statement..i am just trying to show that your approach to stability is very limited.

All i want is that reviewers start using Linpack 64 on regular basis, and do this properly.

you need to make your case to all the head's of each review site.

As well as more thoroughly test stability then 8GB is installed. I have not built PCs with less than 8GB for 2 years already

good for you but 8gb is NOT mainstream for overclockers...we are just getting into 4gb as mainstream.

but these were all dual-cpu machines. My first foray into modern desktop world was somewhat disappointing - not in performance, performance is great and far better than on any common server platform available today.
It's just common neglect of proper stability testing what pissing me off.

truthfully, you should not be getting pissed over stability testing...maybe it is personally frustrating at times to attain your overclock and stability goal...still...overclocking and benching for stability should mostly be a fun sport!

[HDCHOPPER]

EZACKLY ! isnt any fun without failure and the win and without blowing any thing up in the process is the best part !!

[HDCHOPPER]

The MARS has the bios to pusch my pent D 820 processor to 4.0 no problum with plenty of more volts to spare...

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