Intel Nehalem Photo debut

[savantu]

Nehalem-based 3 Chip

◇Bloomfield
　 ・4-core
　 ・LGA1366
　 ・3ch DDR3
　 ・Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
　 ・L2=8MB
　 ・Support SMT
　 ・2008 Q4

◇Lynnfield
　 ・4-core
　 ・LGA1160
　 ・2ch DDR3
　 ・don't Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
　 ・L2=8MB
　 ・Support SMT
　 ・2009 H1

◇Havendale
　 ・2-core＋GPU
　 ・LGA1160
　 ・2ch DDR3
　 ・dos't Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
　 ・L2=4MB
　 ・Support SMT
　 ・2009 H1

What is the cache subsystem of Nehalem ? ( L1 size ? and is there an 8MB shared L2? )

[savantu]

can someone shed some light for me regarding the 2 and 3 ch ddr3 setup?

1. why is the 2 ch coming out later, seems to me that would be the lower
performing one.
...

Because when you launch a new product you need to ramp production.As a result you 1st launch pricey , low volume parts - servers and Xtreme Edition models . Once you have the production in place and some inventory you go for mainstream.

[Shintai]

IMC is supposedly only for server and enthusiast chips.

No it is for all

Let me remind you of a Nehalem board for normal people.

[Shintai]

So, we will have two different motherboards LGA1160 and LGA1366 for the same Nehalem-based chips?

Think LGA775 vs LGA771. Extreme is just moved to LGA771 with skulltrail and onwards.

[M.Beier]

This thread will be closed... pr0n isnt allowed on XS...

[saaya]

qpi sounds stupid...
massive package... looks impressive

[xwards]

looks nice i hope it will overclock great

[onewingedangel]

Considering theres only 6 weeks to the spring IDF we can expect to see a good few leaks from partners in the upcoming weeks before we get an in depth presentation at the big show.

[chew*]

can someone shed some light for me regarding the 2 and 3 ch ddr3 setup?

1. why is the 2 ch coming out later, seems to me that would be the lower
performing one.

2. i take it the 2 ch does not relate to dual channel and 3 ch to triple
channel, if so why ddr3 dual channel, wasen't the hole point of goin to ddr3
to get an additional channel besides the change of memory access pattern?

thanks

btw, i wish they were here next week. a whole year of waiting

its rather simple, instead of intel manufacturing non QP and non triple channel ddr3 they will just use the chips that "fail" which takes time to accumulate enough to supply the market. It always works that way, all manufacturers will spin for the best silicon and parts that don't meet the cut will trickle down to supply the mainstream........nvidia,ati and amd all do this.....

Right now I'm willing to bet that intel is only manufacturing QX quads, failed cache's = regular quads, failed cores = core 2 Xtremes, failed cache and cores = c2d, failed c2d cache = c2 celerons, failed c2d cores = single core celerons..............It's just a big domino effect, $hit rolls down hill.............

[Jamesrt2004]

its rather simple, instead of intel manufacturing non QP and non triple channel ddr3 they will just use the chips that "fail" which takes time to accumulate enough to supply the market. It always works that way, all manufacturers will spin for the best silicon and parts that don't meet the cut will trickle down to supply the mainstream........nvidia,ati and amd all do this.....

Right now I'm willing to bet that intel is only manufacturing QX quads, failed cache's = regular quads, failed cores = core 2 Xtremes, failed cache and cores = c2d, failed c2d cache = c2 celerons, failed c2d cores = single core celerons..............It's just a big domino effect, $hit rolls down hill.............

AMD Tricore for example of the opposite side?

[MaSell]

triple channel :O

[Don_Won]

is it a boy or a girl?

guess its a girl... as the mobo socket has to be the boy....

[Bobsama]

Interesting. I'd like to see the pricing and clock speeds--I highly doubt that this'll be a "Phenom" type of launch, as Intel has these samples that seem to be doing very well and running smoothly. I think it's likely that we won't get much OC out of these things in first and second steppings, though it'll get better like the Core 2 chips did.

[p2501]

Okay TriChannel DDR, since it'll have enough bandwith maybe they now make an effort to lower latencies?!

And about the boy or girl discussion, well the board may be the boy here but it's sort of senseless anyway since the chip package has no sockets, so it's actually neuterly or whatchamacallit...

But back to topic, wow! Me wants!

[Sampsa]

Looks like Photoshop

[Apollonas]

Where can i buy one?

No way for Q4 2008. Do you believe that? Intel is winning the game right now. There's no need to rush.

[Bobsama]

Q4 2008 for very few chips, real availability (you'll still have to coordinate NewEgg raids) in Q1 2009. Good timing, I think. I'll be due for a new system in Q3 or Q4 2009--though I'll probably go DP for that system.

[NaeKuh]

guess its a girl... as the mobo socket has to be the boy....

dude... all great toys of men are called girls.

Cars always represent a female name.
Boats are called females.
Even planes are named after girls.

This rig would fall under a toy for men. So it has to be a girl.

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

dude... all great toys of men are called girls.

Cars always represent a female name.
Boats are called females.
Even planes are named after girls.

This rig would fall under a toy for men. So it has to be a girl.

I thought that was a North American trend? Don't Russians name their ships, tanks, etc. after men? I seem to remember that quote from the The Hunt for the Red October book. No clue if Mr. Clancy was just making things up or not.

[Blauhung]

http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com/2...ls-leaked.html
sums everything up nicely

Lynnfield and Havendale have no QPI because they have nothing to talk to with it. The memory controller and northbridge are all integrated on die. The only external things that the chips talk to is the memory and the Ibex Peak PCH that does all the normal southbridge tasks.

can someone shed some light for me regarding the 2 and 3 ch ddr3 setup?

1. why is the 2 ch coming out later, seems to me that would be the lower
performing one.

2. i take it the 2 ch does not relate to dual channel and 3 ch to triple
channel, if so why ddr3 dual channel, wasen't the hole point of goin to ddr3
to get an additional channel besides the change of memory access pattern?

thanks

btw, i wish they were here next week. a whole year of waiting

1. Intel makes much more money and creates more orders of following products by making a strong showing in the server market and the enthusiast market. It also takes a bit longer to validate to the server market and that process will drive most of the changes in prodruct revisions as it is the most sensitive to errata.

2. DDR2 can do dual channel, triple channel or any numbers of channels. the recent change is not due to the shift to DDR3, but the limitation of the current memory controller architecture. The new IMC's have been setup to deal with more channels.

i heared bloomfield first, which supposedly is the most expensive platform with tylersburg chipset / QPI and triple channel ddr3

yup

Lynnfield (performance/desktop) and Havendale (integrated graphics core) later with dual channel ddr3 and ibexpeak PCH.

yup

and i also thought all 3 had integrated mem. controllers

yup

also heard rumours that there will be a dual core nehalem; a 775 nehalem; with and or without imc... and a variant to support ddr2 aswell; and a kitchen sink codenamed nehalem also

Havendale is dual core. No 775 support, and only one i know of is MP servers with FB-DDR2

IMC is supposedly only for server and enthusiast chips.

nope all of them have IMC, some only have 2 channels, and not all of them need QPI

its rather simple, instead of intel manufacturing non QP and non triple channel ddr3 they will just use the chips that "fail" which takes time to accumulate enough to supply the market. It always works that way, all manufacturers will spin for the best silicon and parts that don't meet the cut will trickle down to supply the mainstream........nvidia,ati and amd all do this.....

Right now I'm willing to bet that intel is only manufacturing QX quads, failed cache's = regular quads, failed cores = core 2 Xtremes, failed cache and cores = c2d, failed c2d cache = c2 celerons, failed c2d cores = single core celerons..............It's just a big domino effect, $hit rolls down hill.............

Not reallly, for nehalem everything is pretty much it's own product just binned to run at different speeds. Sure some of the failed quad chips may end up down lower, but we would much rather make 200 quality dual cores on a wafer as a seperate product, then count on having a product that only has 100 on a wafer to have lots of bad chips. wafer space is expensive real estate.

[Donnie27]

I thought that was a North American trend? Don't Russians name their ships, tanks, etc. after men? I seem to remember that quote from the The Hunt for the Red October book. No clue if Mr. Clancy was just making things up or not.

No, Americans don't just name stuff like that after Women. But they are just as in old English are gender specific. Tanks aren't named after Women but former Generals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patton_tank

Even older tanks like the first was the Stuart, Next Grant before Pershing. I was an Armor Crewman in the Army 19 Echo.

Ships are name after either Admirals, Presidents or folks important to the Navy. ALMOST None have strictly Female names. Most Aircraft get their names from creatures either Birds or Prey, are Mean Cats 90%. Helos are name from American Indian tribes like Apache, Arapaho, Sioux and others like Ranger. By gender a ship is Female though, like she was a good ship.

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

I think, or at least what I understood, was more the pronoun (as you touched on near the end with mention of gender). Re-reading my post, I see I was unclear in that.

Example.

North American
"Hey, nice benching rig!"
"Yup, she's a beaut."

Russian
"The Red October will be central to our plans to defect."
"Yes, he will need to be run optimally for us to succeed."

To rephrase my question, do Russians "predominantly" use the pronoun "he" to describe "man toys" as outlined in the Red October novel?

[socket]

so big CPU...

[Donnie27]

I think, or at least what I understood, was more the pronoun (as you touched on near the end with mention of gender). Re-reading my post, I see I was unclear in that.

Example.

North American
"Hey, nice benching rig!"
"Yup, she's a beaut."

Russian
"The Red October will be central to our plans to defect."
"Yes, he will need to be run optimally for us to succeed."

To rephrase my question, do Russians "predominantly" use the pronoun "he" to describe "man toys" as outlined in the Red October novel?

OK Gender Specific my bad too. We have Germans here who can go into a lot of Detail like Kids being neutral, ship, bridge being feminine and so on, it affects their articles like; is, a, an and etc.. it came from from old English like the and thou, Die, Der, Den and so on. Maybe a Processor would be Male while the Whole computer might might be Female?

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

.......too confusing!


We need language benchmarks.........stat!



Oh, and I think 3 different sockets is cr@ppy.......no matter how the Intel PR tries to spin it.