Xigmatek Red Scorpion S1283

[P5WDHdeluxe]

i apply thermal past only on the processor?
i ask this question cause of the "weird" base of this cooler...

[gundamit]

i apply thermal past only on the processor?
i ask this question cause of the "weird" base of this cooler...

Spawn32 suggested ...

remember that because of the base design on that xigmatek cooler, performance varys largely on how the thermal paste is applied onto the CPU, i acheived best performance when doing the line method and it made contact with the heatsink in this manner.

[delewin]

Hi Guys,

After following quietly , the postings comparing the TRUE & the Xigmatek S1283, I have these questions that I would appreciate being answered.

1. I have a mid tower case with the motherboard mounted vertically. Can I get away with mounting a TRUE or Xigmatek S1283 on a X38 / X48 motherboard without breaking the motherboard?

2. Will I or should I install a Backing Plate on the reverse side of the motherboard? If so, could I use the Thermalright LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit?


3. I have a Sunon KDE1212PMB1-6A (120x120x38)mm fan. Specs are: 108 cf/m @3100 rpm (42 dBA) 6.8W. Would I achieve a better cooling using this fan in place of the original on the Xigmatek S1283?

4. Would this Sunon 6.8W rated fan "kill" my motherboard if I plugged the fan directly into the Motherboard CPU Fan Header?

It is interesting comparing the specs of the fan supplied with the HDT version and the Sunon I have at home.

HDT
size = 120x120x25mm
Speed = 1000 - 2200 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 2.6~4.8 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 20~32dBA

Sunon
size = 120x120x38mm
Speed = 3100 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 108 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 7.9 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 42dBA

I show these 2 sets of figures because I want to question the accuracy of the air flow claim of the HDT supplied fan. I think the figures claimed of Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM is high and not what would be achieved in a real life installation.

I am interested in what others think as well.


Thank you for your replies in answer to these questions.

David

[delewin]

Hi Guys,

After following quietly , the postings comparing the TRUE & the Xigmatek S1283, I have these questions that I would appreciate being answered.

1. I have a mid tower case with the motherboard mounted vertically. Can I get away with mounting a TRUE or Xigmatek S1283 on a X38 / X48 motherboard without breaking the motherboard?

2. Will I or should I install a Backing Plate on the reverse side of the motherboard? If so, could I use the Thermalright LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit?


3. I have a Sunon KDE1212PMB1-6A (120x120x38)mm fan. Specs are: 108 cf/m @3100 rpm (42 dBA) 6.8W. Would I achieve a better cooling using this fan in place of the original on the Xigmatek S1283?

4. Would this Sunon 6.8W rated fan "kill" my motherboard if I plugged the fan directly into the Motherboard CPU Fan Header?

It is interesting comparing the specs of the fan supplied with the HDT version and the Sunon I have at home.

HDT
size = 120x120x25mm
Speed = 1000 - 2200 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 2.6~4.8 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 20~32dBA

Sunon
size = 120x120x38mm
Speed = 3100 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 108 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 7.9 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 42dBA

I show these 2 sets of figures because I want to question the accuracy of the air flow claim of the HDT supplied fan. I think the figures claimed of Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM is high and not what would be achieved in a real life installation.

I am interested in what others think as well.


Thank you for your replies in answer to these questions.

David

Sorry, in my haste to ask the questions, I forgot to give my thanks to Spawne32 for all that marvelous work in compiling all the figures comparing the various coolers.

A little more info to help answer the above questions.

The weight of the Sunon fan is 326 gram, so if you assume the original fan weighs ~150 gram, then the total weight of the Xigmatek S1282 with the Sunon would be 600 - 150 = 450 + 326 = ~775gram.

So I am asking. Is 775 gram too heavy for a vertically mounted motherboard to carry over a lifetime of approx 3 years? Would it eventually crack the circuit board?


The latest fan used on the HDT model is the same as the Red Scorpion, as below.
‧ Dimension 120(W) x 120(H) x 25(D) mm
‧ Voltage Rating 12V
‧ Speed 800~1500 R.P.M.
‧ Bearing Type Rifle Bearing
‧ Air Flow 56.3 CFM
‧ Air Pressure 1.57 mmH2O
‧ Life Expectance 40,000 hrs
‧ Noise Level 27.2 dBA
‧ Connector 4 Pin with PWM

[tuksonrider]

Hi Guys,

After following quietly , the postings comparing the TRUE & the Xigmatek S1283, I have these questions that I would appreciate being answered.

1. I have a mid tower case with the motherboard mounted vertically. Can I get away with mounting a TRUE or Xigmatek S1283 on a X38 / X48 motherboard without breaking the motherboard?

I can't speak for the TRUE (as I don't have one), but the weight of 600g is really light. I originally had the GeminII which weighs an impressive 847g withOUT the 2x fans vertically mounted without a backplate, and it was fine. I wouldn't recommend hauling it to a weekly LAN party, but it was secure. As long as you use all the appropriate motherboard stand-offs to mount your MB, it'll be fine.

2. Will I or should I install a Backing Plate on the reverse side of the motherboard? If so, could I use the Thermalright LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit?

It certainly doesn't hurt. The TR LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit is totally compatible with the S1283. For an avg street price of $5, it's worth the extra piece-of-mind. (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lgbowiscsp.html)

**As a note, it's easier to install the HSF then trying to fit large hands pushing the push-pins. Much easier with a screwdriver. Highly recommended.

3. I have a Sunon KDE1212PMB1-6A (120x120x38)mm fan. Specs are: 108 cf/m @3100 rpm (42 dBA) 6.8W. Would I achieve a better cooling using this fan in place of the original on the Xigmatek S1283?

[strike]The only problem I can forsee is the mounting. The fan you have listed is 38mm thick. The stock fan is 25mm thick. It uses a rubber mounting system via plugs. I'm not certain that it'll work with a fan so thick (but it may stretch that far. The plugs are VERY elastic). [/strike]

****EDIT: Going back, I realize that the mounting plugs do NOT go all the way into the fan, just enough to mount. The 38mm should be fine.

4. Would this Sunon 6.8W rated fan "kill" my motherboard if I plugged the fan directly into the Motherboard CPU Fan Header?

I have no idea. From the 6.8w, and assuming it's a 12v fan, then amperage is .56A I don't know what the maximum watts and amps the fan header on the mb is rated for.

It is interesting comparing the specs of the fan supplied with the HDT version and the Sunon I have at home.

HDT
size = 120x120x25mm
Speed = 1000 - 2200 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 2.6~4.8 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 20~32dBA

Sunon
size = 120x120x38mm
Speed = 3100 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 108 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 7.9 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 42dBA

I show these 2 sets of figures because I want to question the accuracy of the air flow claim of the HDT supplied fan. I think the figures claimed of Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM is high and not what would be achieved in a real life installation.

I am interested in what others think as well.


Thank you for your replies in answer to these questions.

David

When I first bought the Kingwin RVT-12025 (Xigmatek HDT-1283), I found the 99CFM @ 1500rpm a little hard to beleive as well. I see that they revised the CFM to 56. Much lower than previously stated, and I feel more accurate.

Here's a review I did on the Kingwin RVT-12025 vs the GeminII
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...60#post2666060

** I have the bolt-thru kit now, and a new TIM (IC7 Diamond).

[delewin]

I apologize if it seems to be deviating from the topic of the original thread. I am very impressed with the Xigmatek S1283. I have many years experience in the building of “straight” PCs. (No heavy modifications.)

The Sunon fan has a 3 pin connector and not a 4 pin that is required for a CPU fan.

Is it the case that all I need to do is plug in a standard 4 pin fan into the CPU header and plug my Sunon 3 pin into a speed controller / monitor, such as an AeroCool Cool Panel 2, etc. That way the motherboard is happy and I am happy to use this 100+ CFM fan on the Xigmatek S1283.

Or, can I just plug the Sunon into the first 3 pins of the 4 pin CPU fan header? (I don't think this will work!)

Thank you for your advice.

David

[Spawne32]

I apologize if it seems to be deviating from the topic of the original thread. I am very impressed with the Xigmatek S1283. I have many years experience in the building of “straight” PCs. (No heavy modifications.)

The Sunon fan has a 3 pin connector and not a 4 pin that is required for a CPU fan.

Is it the case that all I need to do is plug in a standard 4 pin fan into the CPU header and plug my Sunon 3 pin into a speed controller / monitor, such as an AeroCool Cool Panel 2, etc. That way the motherboard is happy and I am happy to use this 100+ CFM fan on the Xigmatek S1283.

Or, can I just plug the Sunon into the first 3 pins of the 4 pin CPU fan header? (I don't think this will work!)

Thank you for your advice.

David

Yes it will work fine with only 3 pins, in fact it should have a little tab sticking up that only goes across 3 pins, that should guide you in where to put the connector. As far as the thermal paste application method, if you want more of a direct explanation, have a look here...

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf

however you want to set the line so that all 3 of the heat pipes will intersect that line of thermal paste.

[golgo13]

Spawn32 suggested ...

Spawn32, won't the line method of thermal paste require you to mount the S1283 with the fan blowing up towards the PSU or down towards the GPU?... On my 780i board, with a Q6600 CPU, mounting the S1283 with the fan blowing out the rear exaust leaves the exposed heat pipes parallel to the line method required for the CPU.

I'm banging my head against the wall trying to figure out how to mount this thing for the best effect.

Thanks for the help your Sticky on aircooling is awesome!

[golgo13]

Spawne32 cleared this up in another post... I had to install it fan blowing up, but installing an exhaust fan at the top of the case should make this orientation acceptable.

Also in case anyone gets the Thermaltake 775 bolt-through kit, use the bolts, the back plate from the kit, and use the brackets that come with your Xigmatek... just rip off the plastic pins. I've seen a few posts about using the TRUE bracket which you have to bend or loosen to put on the Xigmatek. Don't bother with this as the bolts work great in place of the pins with the stock Cooler brackets.

[fng77]

Forget the red Scorpion, heres a real upgrade:

http://www.xigmatek.com/product/air-achilless1284.php

[delewin]

Forget the red Scorpion, heres a real upgrade:

http://www.xigmatek.com/product/air-achilless1284.php

Looks very good.

I can't wait until it is available. Does anyone know any release details, especially in Australia?

Much obliged,

David

[fng77]

I think its more important when they are going to release it in Sweden


He, he.

No I havent seen any release dates anywhere, I hope its gonna be soon to.

[fng77]

Looks very good.

I can't wait until it is available. Does anyone know any release details, especially in Australia?

Much obliged,

David

By the way, Theres another thread about this cooler here:


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=180972


Someone is probobly gonna post here as soon as its avalible in stores

[Kosior]

Here's Xigmatek HDT-S1284 Achilles review:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/676326/+0