Intel's 45nm Prices & Performance

[omga14]

newegg has the E8400 for $225 right now.

[***Deimos***]

I would also like to know. I was either going to get the 8400 or the 9450, now I am dead set on the 9450. My Maximus Formula has been sitting in the box for almost a month now

Answer here is really simple:

Wolfdale: available now
* 2 cores. More than any games out there use.
* clocks higher on FSB, less problems with heat.
* just as cheap as current Core2Duo.
* No compatibility issues with current motherboards.

York: could be March, maybe even April.
*4 cores. Great if you're REALLY into video transcoding/editing and 3D rendering.
* Otherwise two extra cores are like bulky baggage that you're hauling around...
* lower FSB and thus lower single-threaded performance. (ie 95% of applications)

IMHO: If past is any idication, I have funny feeling folks are going to snap up several early "good" batches of E8300/E8400. They are so cheap, you can easily buy half a dozen, cherry pick the best, and sell the rest on ebay. And while quad cores are tickling 3.5Ghz territory, I wouldn't be surprised if aii cooled Wolfdales dont just reach 4ghz, but punch right through.

[Donnie27]

Answer here is really simple:

Wolfdale: available now
* 2 cores. More than any games out there use.
* clocks higher on FSB, less problems with heat.
* just as cheap as current Core2Duo.
* No compatibility issues with current motherboards.

York: could be March, maybe even April.
*4 cores. Great if you're REALLY into video transcoding/editing and 3D rendering.
* Otherwise two extra cores are like bulky baggage that you're hauling around...
* lower FSB and thus lower single-threaded performance. (ie 95% of applications)

IMHO: If past is any idication, I have funny feeling folks are going to snap up several early "good" batches of E8300/E8400. They are so cheap, you can easily buy half a dozen, cherry pick the best, and sell the rest on ebay. And while quad cores are tickling 3.5Ghz territory, I wouldn't be surprised if aii cooled Wolfdales dont just reach 4ghz, but punch right through.

You sure about the FSB?

[Torchon]

Okay, I don't want to litter in this thread but I really need to know this..


Is that thing about single-threaded performance true? I don't enconde. Well, I do. Reencode various videos to fit on my media
player, but I doubt that counts. I'm looking at the 8500 now, but that Q9450 is still very appealing though. I have pretty much
every other component already picked out..Just waiting for the CPU. I'm buying for several years, 4-5, so I want to be prepared.

So a basic question: Is the Yorkfield significantly faster than Wolfdale in everyday operations and applications? Games? Load times?


Thanks in advance.

[Donnie27]

Okay, I don't want to litter in this thread but I really need to know this..


Is that thing about single-threaded performance true? I don't enconde. Well, I do. Reencode various videos to fit on my media
player, but I doubt that counts. I'm looking at the 8500 now, but that Q9450 is still very appealing though. I have pretty much
every other component already picked out..Just waiting for the CPU. I'm buying for several years, 4-5, so I want to be prepared.

So a basic question: Is the Yorkfield significantly faster than Wolfdale in everyday operations and applications? Games? Load times?


Thanks in advance.

Ultimately some folks think 4 Quad Cores will not have much RAW Per Core speed or MHz as Dual. In Theory Two Cores should be able to run faster than 4. That goes for overclocking as well. So, single and some Dual threaded apps should run faster than on Dual Core. The FSB's are the same until the Extreme Version ships later with 1600MHz FSB.

[Torchon]

Okay, so what do you think? And the 8500 is pretty pricey. The cheapest I could find is only about 50euros cheaper than the 9450.


And these chips seem to be about as scarce as the Yorkies.

[LordEC911]

You sure about the FSB?

Yes, the best X38 boards top out around 475FSB with a quad.
Duals can hit +500FSB, just saw a thread of a Wolfdale hitting +600FSB.

[xlink]

quick question here, do the new e4000s have virtualization? if so they are my next CPU

[Torchon]

Does anyone in Europe know of any stores that have the E8500 for a reasonable price [200-250€] and ship to other countries?

[***Deimos***]

Yes, the best X38 boards top out around 475FSB with a quad.
Duals can hit +500FSB, just saw a thread of a Wolfdale hitting +600FSB.

I like to think of this as comparing a BMW 4 door sedan or 4WD crossover like Suzuki
(this is the dual core Wolfdale)

to a full 8-9 passenger GMC Safar van or something like Hummer or Escalade (this is the quad core Yorkfield).

Basically, unless you already have a quad core processor, you dont need really need one, and like those racing stripes on your Corolla, it will only boost your ego. 5+ years from now your future "cellphone" might be more powerful than your computer, so forget about trying to "future proof".

MUMBO JUMBO TECHIE STUFF
Single core CPU are great. You can always be sure the core is being used
But, although you can easily run dozens or even thousands of programs in parallel, some programs may appear to hang the system waiting on IO or other tasks that prevent system from context switching. Besides, 95% of the time the slowdowns are anything but CPU related: slowly loading Windows from hard drive, slowly retrieving web pages, waiting for video card to render the graphics, waiting for video card to decode your Blu-Ray movie.

Very few people are enthusiastically buying desktops anymore. Its no longer cool. Laptops have been surging in popularity last 5 years. And, even large clunky laptops are being replaced by sleek thin small notebooks - ie Apple Air. Eepc. 15 years ago you had to buy a big ugly $3000 white box to check your email. Its the 21st century now - Blackberrier, smart phones, and game consoles that put most computers to shame. For what you'd spend on a PC, you can buy 2-3 consoles with access to the 90% of console exlusive games.

[Donnie27]

Yes, the best X38 boards top out around 475FSB with a quad.
Duals can hit +500FSB, just saw a thread of a Wolfdale hitting +600FSB.

Sorry my bad, you didn't mention Overclocking! 600FSB, hell I was Impressed with the 550 one guy had I'm leaning more towards Wolfdale just as an Extremely Quiet system without water. With mulitple computers I'm just not multi-tasking enough to justify Quad anyway.

[***Deimos***]

Yes, the best X38 boards top out around 475FSB with a quad.
Duals can hit +500FSB, just saw a thread of a Wolfdale hitting +600FSB.

And not so best X38 might not make it to 450. And, if you dont have X38...430? 420?
Heck, there are even dual core processors that can barely go over 400.

Realisitically, for 24/7, with 8x multi Q9450 quad, you're looking at getting about 425fsb (giving you 3.4Ghz). So, 9x multi would be nice, and get you 3.8Ghz (if you take care of the very high power and cooling requirements), but expensive!

Wolfdale, even the cheap E8200 (8x), can get you to 4Ghz, since many P35, X38 and some P965 can do 500Mhz fsb. Even if you get only 3.8Ghz, power and cooling requirements are about half that of quad core... typically much quieter too.

[Monkeywoman]

http://www.chiphell.com/batch.download.php?aid=251

http://www.chiphell.com/batch.download.php?aid=252

Bloomfield is SOO going to be in my next rig. i just cant wait

[Jamesrt2004]

nice

[Face]

E8600 and Q9650 coming?

Intel Q9650 processor coming in Q3
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=17942&catid=2

Intel to launch 45nm dual core at 3.33GHz
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=5504&Itemid=1

[smee]

Wheres the E8200?? I'm still waiting for it to come to US???

I want it NOW!

Anybody have any idea when?

[***Deimos***]

http://www.chiphell.com/batch.download.php?aid=251

http://www.chiphell.com/batch.download.php?aid=252

Bloomfield is SOO going to be in my next rig. i just cant wait

Nehalem core 1.4-1.5x bigger!!?? wha??
What could they possibly be using all that realestate on? Penryn already has single cycle SSE, shuffle, SSE4, and with micro/macro fusion pushing x86 IPC so high it megaHurts.

More execution units? Crazy branch prediction that predicts what user is going to click before they do it?

BTW not looking forward to hyperthreading with Nehalem.. not bad concept, but simpler easier (albeit more die space) to have full extra core. Hyperthreading across multiple CPU cores would be kinda cool though.
Finally, not sure why Intel following the native quad core bandwagon - do they really except majority (re 80%) of market to buy this?
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.a...tno=499&pgno=7

[***Deimos***]

E8600 and Q9650 coming?

Intel Q9650 processor coming in Q3
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=17942&catid=2

Intel to launch 45nm dual core at 3.33GHz
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=5504&Itemid=1

We might even see return of P4 clockspeeds within a year. Would make for interesting comparison.. ie 3.6Ghz P4 vs 3.6Ghz Nehalem.

But, I doubt they'll release many wolfdale at 3.33GHz with existing VID. Certainly for higher clockspeeds they will be forced to go up to something like 1.25V and obviously higher TDP rating.... good to know they have lots of overhead there.

[iadstudio]

Still no update on timeline for the q9450, huh?

[G80]

Q9450 is close to 470USD where i live. Low supply, high demand i guess. 2 weeks before its in stock.

[Fatal Error]

So Q9450 will arrive after February 20 or so?

[G80]

Probably mid march if were lucky

[clayton]

I'm gonna go for the super sexy Dualcore. By the time games/programs actually max out the Quadcores, there will be a better chip out.

[G80]

Omg, now the store says mid march!. . If i dont get hold of one of these soon, im gonna walk into Intel and just take one.

[71 (Bryan)]

MID MARCH, are they crazy, i need a Q9450 as the last pice of trhe puzzle to finish my build