Q4 2007 GPU shipments

[v_rr]

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14043
4th quarter JPR GPU market numbers are up:

Comparing Q4 2007 to Q4 2006
- Global shipments grew 17.08% (106.37 million units overall).
- Nvidia grew shipments by 42.3%.
- Intel grew shipments by 40.2%.
- AMD grew shipments by 26.2%.


On the share front:

- Intel: 41.1% (up 3.7% from same quarter last year).
- Nvidia: 31.8%. (up 3.4% from same quarter last year).
- AMD: 22.8% (down 0.2% from same quarter last year).

Desktop:

- Intel: 37.7%.
- Nvidia: 37.1%.
- AMD: 19%.

Mobile:

- Intel: 47%.
- AMD: 29%.
- Nvidia: 22.8%.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...029062106.html

Comparing Q3 2007 to Q4 2007:

Overall:

ATI grew from 19.1% -> 22.8% (up 3,7%)
Nvidia lost from 33.9% -> 31.8% (down 2,1%)
Intel grew from 38.0 -> 41.1% (up 3,1%)

Desktop:

ATI grew from 17.5% -> 19% (up 1,5%)
Nvidia lost from 37.8% -> 37.1% (down 0,7%)
Intel grew from 33.5 -> 37.7% (up 2,2%)

Mobile:

ATI grew from 23.4% -> 29% (up 6,4%)
Nvidia equal from 22.8% -> 22.8% (equal)
Intel lost from 50.9% -> 47% (down 3,9%)

Conclusions:
- ATI grew in every segments market share with strong mobile in Q4 compared to Q3 driven by HD 3800 series in desktop and a good mobile sector.

- Nvidia lost in overall and desktop (8800GT shortages). Mobile stay flat.

- Intel again king of the hill in every segments with good climb in desktop, but lost market in mobile to ATI.


For Q1 2008 Intel should have a strong quarter again.
AMD have a very strong lineup for this quarter (HD 3800X2, 3800,3600,3400) with mobile HD 3600 and 3400, RS780 all selling by now (RS780 only in china).
Nvidia delays in 9800gx2, 9600GT, 9500GT and 750a can hurt then this quarter.

I whoul say globaly Nvidia fall to sub < 30% market share, ATI go to 24-27% market share and Intel remain flat but again king of the hill in desktop and mobile.

[Craftyman.]

I'm waiting for R700 before I become part of AMD's market share

[FischOderAal]

nice find thanks for sharing.

[zanzabar]

that mobile number is disturbing since that means that there are about 20-25&#37; of the laptops with 6150 chips out there and thats disturbing

[duploxxx]

unbelievable how many idiots actually buy these onboard intel crap chipsets with VGA.

mobile will grow further for ati Q1 and Q2, had a lots of oem design wins. good to see intel goes down on mobile part.

would be nice to see the amount gpu shares in workstations (quadro against firegl)

[Syn.]

I wonder who the other 5&#37; belongs too?

[hecktic]

I wonder who the other 5% belongs too?

probably SiS or VIA

[Oc-Ghost]

What does Mac&#180;s use for internals? nV?

[Tuvok-LuR-]

unbelievable how many idiots actually buy these onboard intel crap chipsets with VGA.&#236;

yeah they should all buy 8800 ultras for their office pcs

[v_rr]

There can be surprises by Q1. It only depends how Nvidia Delays will hurt them sepecialy in mobile sector. The 55nm advantage in mobile are very important and HD 3400/HD 3600 mobile already started to ship to OEM in low quantities.

AMD will also potencialy grow in mobile with Puma plataform and spider in desktop.

[duploxxx]

yeah they should all buy 8800 ultras for their office pcs

as usual reply's .... ever seen nvidia and amd onboard grapics? put those next to the intel ones and you'll notice when doing vista usage, office work and some entertainment (small games/dvd....)

[Calmatory]

unbelievable how many idiots actually buy these onboard intel crap chipsets with VGA.

unbelieveable how many idiots do not know that majority of PCs are for office use. Do you REALLY think that it is stupid to put $20 chipset with GPU to the system, than to put $50 chipset with SLI + add at least one +$200 card? Yeah sure, Microsoft Word has 700% FPS increase!

[jbartlett323]

unbelievable how many idiots actually buy these onboard intel crap chipsets with VGA.

i actually like intel onboard... nice crisp picture for my Word and Excel, not mention my as400 sessions! best part is i never have to screw with drivers... makes for a nice stable working expirence... but no i would never bother in a gaming machine...

[Periander6]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...029062106.html

Comparing Q3 2007 to Q4 2007:

Overall:

ATI grew from 19.1% -> 22.8% (up 3,7%)
Nvidia lost from 33.9% -> 31.8% (down 2,1%)
Intel grew from 38.0 -> 41.1% (up 3,1%)

Desktop:

ATI grew from 17.5% -> 19% (up 1,5%)
Nvidia lost from 37.8% -> 37.1% (down 0,7%)
Intel grew from 33.5 -> 37.7% (up 2,2%)

Mobile:

ATI grew from 23.4% -> 29% (up 6,4%)
Nvidia equal from 22.8% -> 22.8% (equal)
Intel lost from 50.9% -> 47% (down 3,9%)

Conclusions:
- ATI grew in every segments market share with strong mobile in Q4 compared to Q3 driven by HD 3800 series in desktop and a good mobile sector.

It's very hard to reconcile these numbers with the Revenue numbers we got straight from AMD (so we know they must be correct.) showing only a 3% increase in graphics revenue from Q3 2007 to Q4 2007.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...Financials.pdf

Overall PC shipments certainly did not fall in Q4, they actually rose significantly. So therefore, either DAAMIT took a very large hit to its GPU ASPs or these numbers are completely bogus.

[Syn.]

Overall PC shipments certainly did not fall in Q4, they actually rose significantly. So therefore, either DAAMIT took a very large hit to its GPU ASPs or these numbers are completely bogus.

No matter how high or low the shipment value is the % is still %. Which means overall market shipment rise do not always relate to market share.

Also seeing as most companies are running Intel based PC's its not surprising that they are using their cheap motherboards with Intel IGP's. AMD hasnt really got much on that the Intel IGP section so none is looking for them, and nVidia is just much worse alternative then Intel IGP. So you cant really blame the IT Departments for going down the Intel GMA route.

[saaya]

- AMD: 22.8% (down 0.2% from same quarter last year).

Conclusions:
- ATI grew in every segments market share with strong mobile in Q4 compared to Q3 driven by HD 3800 series in desktop and a good mobile sector.

[informal]

They are comparing the Q3 with Q4 in the Conclusion,not year on year.

[v_rr]

if you know read maybe that post doesn&#180;t even exist, but it&#180;s very hard to talk to people the don&#180;t even know read a single simple post

Comparing Q3 2007 to Q4 2007:

Overall:
ATI grew from 19.1&#37; -> 22.8% (up 3,7%)

Desktop:
ATI grew from 17.5% -> 19% (up 1,5%)

Mobile:
ATI grew from 23.4% -> 29% (up 6,4%)

[ghost101]

unbelievable how many idiots actually buy these onboard intel crap chipsets with VGA.

I did. How many people actually need anything more than intel gma graphics in a laptop? It uses the least electricity meaning the battery lasts longer and they are dirt cheap.

Not everyone purchases a laptop as a desktop replacement machine.

[duploxxx]

I did. How many people actually need anything more than intel gma graphics in a laptop? It uses the least electricity meaning the battery lasts longer and they are dirt cheap.

Not everyone purchases a laptop as a desktop replacement machine.

right and you probably bought it because it had the marketing centrino label... as additional value

now let me choose, decent mobile graphic card or 5min less battery time out of my already 5-6hrs available with wuxga resolution... hmm difficult choice

unbelieveable how many idiots do not know that majority of PCs are for office use. Do you REALLY think that it is stupid to put $20 chipset with GPU to the system, than to put $50 chipset with SLI + add at least one +$200 card? Yeah sure, Microsoft Word has 700&#37; FPS increase!

read al posts.....

as usual reply's .... ever seen nvidia and amd onboard grapics? put those next to the intel ones and you'll notice when doing vista usage, office work and some entertainment (small games/dvd....)

[v_rr]

AMD RS780 IGP chipset boosts entry-level CPU sales

AMD's recent launched RS780 IGP chipset is enjoying strong demand in the China market and has boosted the demand for the company's entry-level CPUs, according to channel vendors in China.

AMD's entry-level CPU market share in China was between 40&#37; to 50% before the launch of RS780 motherboards. But since the launch, sales have jumped to 60%-70%, noted the sources.

The strong sales can be attributed to the RS780's multimedia capabilities. AMD's decision to include its UVD engine as part of the chipset allows systems to playback DVDs and even high-definition video without the need for a powerful CPU.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080201PD209.html

[ghost101]

right and you probably bought it because it had the marketing centrino label... as additional value

now let me choose, decent mobile graphic card or 5min less battery time out of my already 5-6hrs available with wuxga resolution... hmm difficult choice

Of course lets avoid countering any of my points and pretend that im a slave to intel marketing. if you genuinely believe that a discrete graphics card only saves you 5 mins out of a laptop with a 5 hour battery life, you are deluded. In addition, a mobile graphics card costs more adding $50 onto the cost of a laptop.

Let me count how many games ive actually played on my laptop......well i suppose theres solitaire. I also dont know what youd expect to play with an 8400gs if you went for it. Anything else and it starts to add substantially to the cost of the laptop which puts it inot the DTR category.

As for the centrino comment, i have no idea why youd even mention it.

Theres also the weight factor. It adds unnecessary weight.

Finally, if people buy intel on board graphics, it doesnt make them idiots. if ATI/nvidia discrete graphics were really needed in large quantities market forces would introduce them in larger quantities. HP/Dell/Lenovo would all try to outdo each other by introducing them. However, clearly, if the market doesnt align with what you believe, people are idiots. You sir are the ignoramus.

[Hornet331]

Of course lets avoid countering any of my points and pretend that im a slave to intel marketing. if you genuinely believe that a discrete graphics card only saves you 5 mins out of a laptop with a 5 hour battery life, you are deluded. In addition, a mobile graphics card costs more adding $50 onto the cost of a laptop.

Let me count how many games ive actually played on my laptop......well i suppose theres solitaire. I also dont know what youd expect to play with an 8400gs if you went for it. Anything else and it starts to add substantially to the cost of the laptop which puts it inot the DTR category.

As for the centrino comment, i have no idea why youd even mention it.

Theres also the weight factor. It adds unnecessary weight.

Finally, if people buy intel on board graphics, it doesnt make them idiots. if ATI/nvidia discrete graphics were really needed in large quantities market forces would introduce them in larger quantities. HP/Dell/Lenovo would all try to outdo each other by introducing them. However, clearly, if the market doesnt align with what you believe, people are idiots. You sir are the ignoramus.

forget him, hes trolling.

if he would have done some research he would see that GMA X3500 and AMD G960 are pretty much on par performance wise. That doesn't mean they actually are good enough for gaming.

GMA X3500 board
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/asus/p5e-vm-hdmi/b3.htm
AMD G690
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/asus/M2A-VM-HDMI/b4.htm
NV nForce 7050PV
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/epox/EP-AP68P-G/b4.htm
(dont be fooled by the doom3 and fear scores, they are done with a 7600GT, real onboard fps are in the text)

as you can see they are all playing in the same league game wise, what surprises me that the GMA X3500 has a very good HQV benchmark score.

[v_rr]

forget him, hes trolling.

if he would have done some research he would see that GMA X3500 and AMD G960 are pretty much on par performance wise. That doesn't mean they actually are good enough for gaming.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/asus/p5e-vm-hdmi/b3.htm

690G is old news. Look to the Super RS780:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=58
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=174449

[Hornet331]

690G is old news. Look to the Super RS780:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=58
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=174449

care to share where i can buy this one?

all of my listed IGPs are avaible now.

if you want comprare the RS780 to an intel one wait for the next GMA in the G45 chipset, cause afaik both are slated for Q2 08.

edit:

sry my fault, only the RD780D is slated for Q2 all others are for Q1.

still my comparison is valid as you can't buy and RS780 boards.