so do you think these temp readings are from the chip itself, poor bios support, or the monitoring software isn't up to date with it? would that not be a possibility?
so do you think these temp readings are from the chip itself, poor bios support, or the monitoring software isn't up to date with it? would that not be a possibility?
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It could be any of those but so many folks are having the same problem on so many different boards and chipsets that one has to assume that the only common denominator, the chip, is at fault. Unfortunately, Tankguys doesn't warranty CPUs and I have never returned a chip to Intel. At $200 it isn't a huge deal but this is pretty disappointing. Great chip but WTF, you can't read the temperature? Makes it worthless on the resale market. Looks like the wife may be going Wolfdale as she is still using my old 4400X2 in her rig.![]()
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Intel never documented the on chip digital thermal sensor (DTS) to be used for reporting idle temperatures and they've never documented these sensors to be used for reporting absolute core temperatures.
Using the DTS to report idle temperatures has always resulted in readings that are too low at idle. This has only become more obvious with the E8x00 series that uses very little wattage at idle and creates very little heat.
The new E8x00 chips still have a huge amount of temperature headroom when CoreTemp reports that they are running at 60C. At this point you are still 45C away from the Intel documented maximum safe operating temperature so what's there to worry about. Even at 4500 MHz and beyond I've yet to see a screen shot where anyone is even close to the throttling point.
This thread proves that Wolfdale is working great so Intel is not going to change anything. CoreTemp reads directly from the cpu so no bios update is going to change anything either. Everyone better get used to absolute temperature readings that don't have as much meaning as they used to.
Use CoreTemp and set it so it displays how far you are away from TjMax. That's the only fully Intel documented temperature information from these chips that you need to be aware of.
i dont understand this my temperature..where is problem?...
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hhhhko1.jpg
my temperature is 11C i don t understand this...why...?..please help me..where is problem?..cant be 11 C
Mb has 38C
NB has 50C
SB has 47C
and processor has still 11C
showing in bios...core temp..asus probe..everest...![]()
i used same everest..shows 11C...
core temp 0.96.1 showing core 0 12C core 2 16 ....
when i running 3dmark06 core 0 shows... 17C and core 2... 16C
look
http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddddui7.jpg
Intel has been using bits [22..16] of MSR 0x19C to store the DTS temperature data for all Core based processors including the mobile chips and even the early single Core chips.
As far as I know they started using the DTS sensor and 0x19C in the late P4 series but I don't have one of those ovens handy to confirm this. All my info comes from the publicly available Intel documentation:
13.5.5 On Die Digital Thermal Sensors
http://www.intel.com/design/processo...als/253668.pdf
(7.5MB download)
Now that we know how to get this information out of a Core processor and we know that CPU-Z is capable of reading the model specific registers (MSR), maybe someone could convince Franck Delattree, programmer of CPU-Z, to include a real time DTS reading on the main CPU page of his excellent program.
UnSeenSVK: Read post #730:
"Using the DTS to report idle temperatures has always resulted in readings that are too low at idle."
Last edited by unclewebb; 01-31-2008 at 11:24 PM.
I found interesting article:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3184&p=5
It is about Q9650, but I it is 45 nm too.
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Here is my best fsb with my DFI P35 T2R and an Intel E8500.
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Last edited by Fpat; 02-01-2008 at 02:30 AM.
I'm showing a difference between the cores CPU temp(Tcase) v Cores Temp (DTS based)
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Hallo mate i ve gor problem with my E8500 still showing 11C temp...
which program on temp you using?
tnahks
check this please...
what do you think about that?
http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddddui7.jpg
I'm using coretemp 0.96.1, and my idle temp is still the same, doesn't matter do I set 1.225v or 1.5v![]()
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I thing we have to wait on proper version core temp for new processors
Usefull Core 2 Quad and Duo Temperature Guide
HERE
Updated January 30th, 2008
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i m thinking about update chipset...can be in there?...
In similar fashion to Zeus' chip mine requires 1.48v to run 3dmark at 4500MHz but then will not SuperPi at 4600MHz which is a lot smaller difference than between the 65nm Core2's which allowed a lot higher 2D benching speed than 3D.
Mine also hits a wall at 4.6GHz where more voltage does nothing at all. Either it is a temperature thing or more likely some side effect of the new hafnium 45nm process that shows, perhaps unsurpisingly, a different way of scaling.
4500MHz on air equivalent of 4700MHz Conroe is nothing to be sniffed at though, especially if it is just leass than 1.5v.
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Although useful for someone looking for the an explanation of terminology used in processor measurement that article really doesn't apply to issues being seen with the 45nm family of processors. Reliable temperature reporting is broke and no amount of calibration or adjustment of software is gong to fix that.
I personally, would like to see people being more specific with what votage they are using, instead of just saying, "my chip needs 1.45" to do such n such speed etc, I think they need to specify if it needs that REAL or BIOS, because what I for example set in my BIOS is NOTHING close to what my chip gets, according to PC Health Status in BIOS, CPU-z, and Everest etc, I could say my chip requires 1.465v to ORTHOS 4.1Ghz - BUT..
As you can see, it requires only 1.32v load, idle is 1.352v
So I am just sugesting as several people are having similar problems to me, specially Abit IP35 Series users, it would be HELPFUL to be more specific about what our chip is USING, and what is being SET, just my thought.
Because at the end of the day, I was really panicing when I realised I needed to set 1.465 to get 4.1 Stable, I thought I had a REALLY BUM chip, but its actually average-decent, I think..
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Did you measure voltage by voltometer, or in BIOS?
I need set in BIOS 1.485V , MCH1.45V, VTT 1.31V.
My Voffset is 0.085V + Vdrop 0.032V- so to Run at 4GHz I need 1.368V
After 1.485Vcore and restarting comp - PC Health Status showing me 1.39Vcore - I didn't mesure voltometer.
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