Quote Originally Posted by Rammsteiner View Post
I would have thought Phenom had a bigger Bandwith? Im running 251Mhz on RAM 4-4-4-10 T2 (and subtimings tuned with Memset) and I get almost 11GB/s with Read and Write. Copy is AFAIK about 10GB/s.
Phenom does have higher bandwidth but only with software which supports it and is multi-threaded. Single threaded like EVEREST+Phenom, it will show low bandwidth. Sandra loads all cores for memory testing and in Sandra it gets plus 12.8k at those settings, maybe even plus 13.2k. Should be fair high. A very loose run of mine got >12.8k last I tried with low IMC clocks.
In EVEREST, Phenom has around 7700MB/s Ganged and Unganged 7000MB/s stock bandwidth at 800 4-4-4-4-11 1T on the 790FX with TLB Caching boost (Red).

Quote Originally Posted by Daveburt714 View Post
I think we're mixing VID's and Multi's here....
NB Vid = 1 / CPU Vid =7 (NB 5x / CPU 11.5x), is Bad Karma..
NB Vid = 5 / CPU Vid =7 (NB 9x /CPU 11.5x), is Zen...
I think we are too.
I stated NB FID 05 in BIOS = 9x multi and CPU FID 07 in BIOS = 11.5x multi.
I've not mentioned VIDs yet, they're much lower and in regards to voltages instead of the multi.

FID=>Multi
VID=>Voltage ID
Plus 9x NB and 11.5x CPU on Phenom 9600 doesn't work, you're right.
This is true ya know. Phenom 9500/9600 [locked] don't allow plus 9x NB multi and plus 11x/11.5x CPU multi, although you can downclock the multiplier and you can't downclock the NB multi on the BE's according to my testing.

NB/CPU VID 001=1.5375VID -> ~1.53V

My CPU VID is at 24 (1.25v)... Are you saying I should set my NB VID to 15 (1.3625v)? That seems awfully high to me!!
If you want plus 2.16G on IMC you need to give it extra volts. 15 is good for 2.4G IMC at least IME and would give around 1.35V to the IMC.
I can almost see why the new BIOS removed the P-States option. It leads to alot of confusion!! I'm sure it was the easiest way, but if they just gave us Multi's and Voltage options for CPU, NB and HTT it would make things alot more user friendly...
To most users, yes, it would cause many problems because it's that powerful an area. For me, it was the highlight and what oc was. Without it, it's the same as having no oc on the chip to me.
You've done alot of testing KTE, is there really any advantage to going over 1.20v (VID 28) on the NB?
Firstly, like I stated earlier, stock Phenom is 1.250VID on the IMC which is NB VID 024. If you want higher MHz than stock then obviously you'll need more voltage for the IMC soon after 1.8G. Typically you can have the system fully stable with 1.25VID @ 2.1G IMC Unganged and 2.2G Ganged IME but more MHz will require higher volts than stock. Up-to 2.6G on the IMC I've seen possible with ~1.37VID.

BTW I'm not a Master of anyone that I know... apart from my wife to be.