Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[KTE]

Not sure if it was posted later but the formula for the cpu frequency is

CPUCOF = 100 MHz * (CPUFID + 10h) / ( 2 ^ CPUDID) (s.h. K10 BKDB p 325.)

I've posted it around but not posted it in this thread AFAIR. Thanks. There's a few ways to work it out, this is also easy:
CPU Speed = (1/2*HT ref.) * (FID+16) / DID

EDIT: Ahh you got your BE. That cinebench results do not show >100% scaling.

Yep, but it's extremely close to linear. Better tests coming up.

Have you compared memory subtimings?

They're kept constant throughout in that in the above.
Single channel 2T (1 stick) at the same settings as the above 2640MHz gets 8456, which is as bad as you can expect with memory.

I'll test everyrthing better now because you can keep NB/HT/RAM constant.

I can tell you right now Q6600 G-0 = effortless 3.0GHz with the stock cooler on stock volts. Mine needs 1.36v for 3.2, 1.46v for 3.6 and 1.52v for 3.8GHz.

Yep, I've owned a B3 and a G0 before to know.

would it be ok if I posted my results with the K9A2 here?? Im using 6400X2 though?

Well, I'd like to stick with Phenom in general but X2 results with this board are also welcome which highlight or deal with the boards issues/performance/oc.

[justapost]

I've posted it around but not posted it in this thread AFAIR. Thanks. There's a few ways to work it out, this is also easy:
CPU Speed = (1/2*HT ref.) * (FID+16) / DID

DID can be zero

Yep, but it's extremely close to linear. Better tests coming up.
They're kept constant throughout in that in the above.
Single channel 2T (1 stick) at the same settings as the above 2640MHz gets 8456, which is as bad as you can expect with memory.

I found that the max async latency differs ~10ns. That has an impact on benchmarks. Using the same latency leaded to much more linear results. So i keep an eye on that subtiming now. Might be common sense for ocers.

[KTE]

DID can be zero

With this board the options are either 1 or 2.

I found that the max async latency differs ~10ns. That has an impact on benchmarks. Using the same latency leaded to much more linear results. So i keep an eye on that subtiming now. Might be common sense for ocers.

I haven't seen that option on this board.

10ns EVEREST RAM latency? Are you sure about this?

There' nothing I've seen giving you that much gain on this board so far (no patch BIOS). I mean the major timings on K10 are ~seven and 5-5-5-15 2T tRC 35 tRFC 195ns wouldn't get 10ns higher latency than 3-3-3-11 1T tRC 24 tRFC 75ns on my board. Usually 4-5ns is max.
This might help you although it concerns K8/DDR, it is still simple enough to apply in many areas.

gareth170: Using the exact same method you used to flash 1.2, just with the correct v1.1 BIOS file.

[gareth170]

gareth170: Using the exact same method you used to flash 1.2, just with the correct v1.1 BIOS file.

i used msi live update 3 which it made a automatic flashing dos disk with the 1.2 on it which i liked. but ive deleted the 1.1 setup files from msi live update 3 folder. where can i download it from again? and would it downgrade this way?

[KTE]

Can I get a short list of the options difference you see with POD compared to 113 when running a black edition of the Phenom? did you take not of this when you where playing with the 2 different bios. Is the POD really a better performer then the 113? more buggy?

P0D had the errata patch and nothing more different for me. So I reinstalled 113. I'm running P0E now and it has different options than the last BIOSes.

i used msi live update 3 which it made a automatic flashing dos disk with the 1.2 on it which i liked. but ive deleted the 1.1 setup files from msi live update 3 folder. where can i download it from again? and would it downgrade this way?

On their website: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...2&type=utility

[jonspd]

P0D had the errata patch and nothing more different for me. So I reinstalled 113. I'm running P0E now and it has different options than the last BIOSes.

P0E has more options then the last bios 1.2?

[gareth170]

On their website: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...2&type=utility

noo i mean i have live update 3 already install. and when u download something from it , it saves it in a temp setup folder but i deleted the 1.1 bios setup files which automaticly flashs the bios in dos.. i can't redownload it from live update 3 because its seeing i got 1.2..

[justapost]

With this board the options are either 1 or 2.
I haven't seen that option on this board.

You are talking about your bios options.
Check MSR C0010070 with CrystalCPU.
Bit 0:5 is CPUFID
Bit 6:8 is CPUDID

CPUDID should be zero if you set it to 1 in the bios.

About MaxAsyncLatency.

As i played with different nb multis the value varied between 48 and 57ns here.

Here are two Screenshots with differen MaxAsyncLatency settings.



Difference in Everest Latency is ~6ns.

The equation used to calculate this value is in the K10 guide. I'll try to find it.

[KTE]

You are talking about your bios options.

Yep.
I'm aware of the equations mentioned in the guide as I've mentioned before because we went over them in the "Breaking K10 230MH HT limit" thread. The equation I gave is a simplified version of the official one and specific to this boards BIOS programming. You only need BIOS HEX values to give you the speeds and so its easy for anyone to use and doesn't require any decoding.

About MaxAsyncLatency.

As i played with different nb multis the value varied between 48 and 57ns here.

Here are two Screenshots with differen MaxAsyncLatency settings.



Difference in Everest Latency is ~6ns.

Ah ok. I didn't use Memset to change timings with K10 so far because it was giving me problems. Tried the latest one now and it works OK, and the option for MaxAsyncLat appears. And yep, it produces big latency gains and even bandwidth gains, well spotted and thanks.

P0E has more options then the last bios 1.2?

For Phenom, yes. But it has many problems not present in 1.2 aswell.

noo i mean i have live update 3 already install. and when u download something from it , it saves it in a temp setup folder but i deleted the 1.1 bios setup files which automaticly flashs the bios in dos.. i can't redownload it from live update 3 because its seeing i got 1.2..

I don't use Liveupdate 3 TBH so I'm not sure what it allows and not. My IE 7 is also crashing so I can't try the Liveupdate (I hardly use IE). The way I flash BIOSes is the usually done way, using a floppy or USB drive.

*You need a DOS floppy disk to boot with (download the files HERE and unzip onto an XP formatted floppy disk).
*Set system to boot from Drive A: with the floppy disk inside.
*And then after its loaded into the DOS environment, you need to insert another floppy disk which contains the BIOS flash utility (EXE file) and the BIOS itself.
*Then you need to type at the command prompt: A:>flashutility biosfilename.ver and press Enter. For example.
--With Flash Utility Afud412.exe and BIOS file A7376AMS.113, you type:

afud412 a7376ams.113

*Press Enter.
*Don't do anything and wait for it to see if everything completes (percentages) and the flash succeeds. Then restart and load BIOS defaults.
*Done.

[justapost]

Yep.
I'm aware of the equations mentioned in the guide as I've mentioned before because we went over them in the "Breaking K10 230MH HT limit" thread. The equation I gave is a simplified version of the official one and specific to this boards BIOS programming. You only need BIOS HEX values to give you the speeds and so its easy for anyone to use and doesn't require any decoding.

Must have missed that, so for the record the bios labels 2^CPUDID as CPUDID.

Ah ok. I didn't use Memset to change timings with K10 so far because it was giving me problems. Tried the latest one now and it works OK, and the option for MaxAsyncLat appears. And yep, it produces big latency gains and even bandwidth gains, well spotted and thanks.

I mentioned it because the max async latency seems to change in a non linear way with different ref HT's and nb multis and that can causes non linear results in benchmarks.