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    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    Yep.

    Apart from the CPU price range.

    My old B3 QX6700 was a dud oc'r with high end chilled water (3.3GHz top stable w/ EVGA 680i) and yet cost 5x 9600 BE's worth. Same price as what QX9650 is now, although this is a much better oc'er.

    yes the unlocked AMDs were far cheaper

    Yeah, I can get 3.4 on the QX6700 with some extra voltage and on a cold day, 3.3 is doable on air for me .... I think I am a lucky one. The X6800 though is a screamer, I have hit 3.8 but the voltage was making me sweat so I pumped it back down. Folding now 24x7 for the last 6 months at 3.6 no problems.

    I also have an 3600+ which just did not want to yield, some were able to get 3.0 out of it or higher, I was lucky at 2.7....
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    What step is your QX Jack?

    X6800 are known awesome oc'ers, quite like the E6850.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    What step is your QX Jack?

    X6800 are known awesome oc'ers, quite like the E6850.
    B3 ... I obtained the CPU shortly after quads were launched. I used a P5W DH and was able to get stable 3.4 (again on a cold day , in my Striker Extreme I am lucky to get 3.4 Ghz... 3.3 doable. When I got the striker it was my first venture into nVidia chipsets in years, after working with it I know why I shied away from their Intel chipsets .... I have 2 dead USB ports right now... the others all work though ....

    BTW -- thanks for the info on the voltage, I am abit ansy to jump right to that, but I want to eventually run the memory up to 1066, but I did not get the highest quality memory this go round so I know a higher voltage will be needed to get there most likely.
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    Yeah, we were both on the same bandwagon then I guess, early it was for me. First quad was a rave for many. Made many bucks on it because of the high value. FSB was the biggest problem with mine on those boards (680i known for it, I swapped boards 3 times, P965 DS3 wasn't any better) and the cores ran too hot for temps I'd like to run above 3.3GHz (I didn't usually go over 50C 12hr load quads 24/7 within a case in winter factoring in summer would have 30-35C ambients).
    Although it wasn't completely that bad, just lower than my expectations for 24/7. 3.5GHz at 1.4V was doable but the temps loaded with chilled custom wc, triple 120mm rad were above 70℃. Best setting was 300x11 giving good load and idle temps at 26℃ ambient. Anyway, I sold it a long time ago while I could cap its value. The G0 should be better than the B3 I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    I'm fine, just a little knock here and there. Car is a wreck, ~45mph lorry and I was accelerating at ~55mph at crash. I'm in the UK right now and it's known as "a right-off" here.
    Isn't it "write-off"?

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    Correct.
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    Yes it is.
    When we (among my friends) speak to others casually, we say "right-off" as it totally screwed, rather than the formal "write-off", as in its been written off for not being repairable.

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    Anyone (retail) achieved 2.6GHz or more 100% stable with Phenom 9500/9600/9600 BE yet?

    By stable I mean:
    -List your cooling fully (typical case/ambients/air is the best environment since it applies to most).
    -Everyday voltage.
    -Tested for stability (benchmarks, P95 12hrs, folding if possible)
    -Within an everyday temperature range for CPU/NB/MOSFETs.


    I'd like to have a quick little rough estimate database of oc's. We know AMD has difficulty at 65nm for K10, simply put. And 2.5-2.6GHz seems to be the magic peak figure region after which the Zilla of power breaks total carnage, i.e. huge volts/huge amps/huge power/any cooling and yet no more MHz gain. With BE, we will be able to see if that's true and to what extent.

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    ok just bought a platnium, lets hope its up to the task

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    KTE.. Glad your OK man!! (Life sux sometimes, at least you have your health... )

    I'm actually pretty happy this chip, even though I can only get a 200Mhz OC!!

    Have you guys ever seen this site?
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    I'm gonna post my results there, I didn't hit 2.6 anyway...
    The webmaster is a good guy, and it's actually a killer Idea!!
    Lets you compare steppings/settings etc... I sound like a spammer... Sheez...

    I'm not, check out the link and post your stuff... Guess I'll have the 1st Phenom results...
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    KTE: Any change to get beta bios :P ? and get well soon ^^
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    uhmm well noone of those bios's didnt fix mem divider issue or didnt unlock ht & nb multis... msi support just owns us! slackers, yet they just changed few options or should i say letters and also decreased max mem voltage to 2.5v ( bios 131) im really angry atm gief unlocked nb&ht and fixed mem dividers.

    ps running "unlocked nb&ht = 11x everything with 160ht yay! "
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    Got back this morning. Been busy but popped in the BE just for a quick run earlier.

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    It's probably the best volts/VIDs/power/temps wise I've had yet. 2300MHz at 1.2VID and 1.192V stock with 168 VAC (watts) max system power draw with P95 in-place large FFT and 160 VAC (watts) with Orthos. That's lower than my 9500 had at stock and both the 9600's I tested had more than that.

    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=295482
    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=295484
    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=295485

    Does ~2550MHz short benches stock volts/vid just by changing CPU multi. 2500MHz was perfectly fine and 2600MHz froze on P95 after 10s, so I would think that's about right.
    Anyway, I've been real busy so apologies for now and I'll have to test it later on when I get back to the flat. Have to test a few BIOSes and install OS and much sw in again and I'm real tired for now. CPU-Z 1.42 doesn't work with 9600 BE BTW, 1.43 works fine though but it may not update frequencies until you close it and restart it (if you use AOD to oc).





    I've only booted it up once for about 15 minutes. Those were some first screenhots.

    BTW, on my older 9500 Cinebench 10 scaled as so (RAM is in-sync keep in mind (400-490), but NB is roughly equal (and doesn't make a difference from 1.8-2.0GHz in CB IME)). I've added annotations to help you piece it out.



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    KTE: Any change to get beta bios :P ? and get well soon ^^
    PM me your email addy. I have it here but this is a different system so not got your details.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeZzZu View Post
    uhmm well noone of those bios's didnt fix mem divider issue or didnt unlock ht & nb multis...
    The first is still only in testing stage.
    The second is only possible with unlocked edition CPU's.
    msi support just owns us! slackers, yet they just changed few options or should i say letters and also decreased max mem voltage to 2.5v ( bios 131)
    113 BETA is best still with no errata patch, all working fine but memory divider and upto 1.6V CPU and 3.1V DRAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    Warning: Verbose post ahead.

    I wanted to quickly explain AM2+ - 790FX overclocking.

    NOTE: The below method worked for BIOS v1.1, P0C, P0D and 113 BETA. Putting an NB multiplier higher than 9x made the system start downclocking in 0.5x multiplers the CPU and HT frequency.

    I told a while ago of the HT ref. limit of ~265-275MHz max on Phenom 9500 so far which limits us to a maximum of 2.9-3.0GHz screenable and still very very unstable. I've been messing about with AM2+ P-States for 2-3 days now. I haven't seen others do it yet here and I got the feeling very few actually understand it, but I did post a 3GHz NB with 2.1GHz HT link speed 2 dys ago and no one really caught on to how or what was happening.

    I wanted to explain it for those that are unsure but I needed some more testing time and different BIOS to be able to experiment more and see if it makes a difference. Then the last of my queries was answered my Macci in a thread yesterday (CPU VID): make sure you read it!

    Here is how AM2+ P-States work.

    790FX BIOS give you extra options to control:

    CPU FID
    CPU VID
    CPU DID

    NB FID
    NB DID
    NB VID


    =Frequency ID
    =Voltage ID
    =Divider ID

    Plus you can control:

    HT speed multi
    HT reference speed


    What FID does is decide your clock frequency multiplier.

    So for instance, CPU FID 02 equals 9x CPU multiplier (03 is 9.5x, 04 is 10x and so on).

    BUT changing FID alone will not be equal to changing the CPU multiplier. There is still part of the equation missing.

    There is CPU DID which is the Divider for the FID value.

    So, you have options of 1, 2, 4, 8 and so on for CPU DID. What they do is divide the end CPU FID value, and then the HT reference speed is multiplied by it to gain the CPU speed.

    Hence, if we input CPU FID value 08 which stands for CPU multiplier 12x, and we choose CPU DID value 1 (which is what its says), then:

    FID / DID = CPU Multiplier
    12 / 1 = 12x multiplier

    If we chose CPU DID 2 then the end CPU multiplier would've been 6x.

    So the HT reference clock speed you set (say 200MHz as an example) will multiply x12 to get 2400MHz CPU speed now.

    HOWEVER the 9500 I have is multipler locked obviously. So whatever FID/VID value you choose above what gets you 11x multiplier will just result in no change from stock 11x multipler.

    CPU VID is the Voltage identity which I did't fully understand till Macci replied and said to leave it at default which is value 28 for 9500 and stands for 1.250V. If you increase it to value 29 you get 1.1875V with my testing.

    BUT if you increase the voltage (i.e. decrease the value to 27), you will fail POST.

    Now we know how CPU speed is worked out.


    Additionally, NB FID, DID, VID are of the same task but for the NB instead and NB VID can be changed to higher. Value 36 is stock which for me was 1.1V.

    NB FID values are as so: 00 is 5x NB speed multiplier, 01 is 6x, 02 is 7x and so on.

    For NB DID you get two options of divider 1 and divider 2.

    What that NB FID does is, get the HT reference clock you set (say 200MHz) and multiply that by the NB multiplier you choose through NB FID / NB DID.

    So say you choose NB FID of value 00 which is 5x multi and choose NB DID of value 1 (which is again what it says).

    NB FID / NB DID = NB Multiplier
    In the above case we have 5 / 1 = 5x multiplier

    With a 200MHz HT ref. speed, that would give us 200x5 = 1000MHz NB speed.

    BUT=> NB clock speed can only be equal or higher than HT speed. Keep that in mind.

    If it isn't, then either you'll have no boot or the system will downclock itself lower than stock. If you set a high NB clock, your system may not boot at all or downclock the NB/CPU/HT to make it bootable.

    Now we know how the NB speed is worked out.


    Easy as that! Any qs, please ask. I've tried to make it simple but you'll have to give it a go before understanding properly.

    Here was my older run using this method I posted within those images

    Not sure if it was posted later but the formula for the cpu frequency is

    CPUCOF = 100 MHz * (CPUFID + 10h) / ( 2 ^ CPUDID) (s.h. K10 BKDB p 325.)

    EDIT: Ahh you got your BE. That cinebench results do not show >100% scaling. Have you compared memory subtimings?
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    I can tell you right now Q6600 G-0 = effortless 3.0GHz with the stock cooler on stock volts. Mine needs 1.36v for 3.2, 1.46v for 3.6 and 1.52v for 3.8GHz.

    BTW good luck with that BE.

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    would it be ok if I posted my results with the K9A2 here?? Im using 6400X2 though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justapost View Post
    Not sure if it was posted later but the formula for the cpu frequency is

    CPUCOF = 100 MHz * (CPUFID + 10h) / ( 2 ^ CPUDID) (s.h. K10 BKDB p 325.)
    I've posted it around but not posted it in this thread AFAIR. Thanks. There's a few ways to work it out, this is also easy:
    CPU Speed = (1/2*HT ref.) * (FID+16) / DID

    EDIT: Ahh you got your BE. That cinebench results do not show >100% scaling.
    Yep, but it's extremely close to linear. Better tests coming up.
    Have you compared memory subtimings?
    They're kept constant throughout in that in the above.
    Single channel 2T (1 stick) at the same settings as the above 2640MHz gets 8456, which is as bad as you can expect with memory.

    I'll test everyrthing better now because you can keep NB/HT/RAM constant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blacklash View Post
    I can tell you right now Q6600 G-0 = effortless 3.0GHz with the stock cooler on stock volts. Mine needs 1.36v for 3.2, 1.46v for 3.6 and 1.52v for 3.8GHz.
    Yep, I've owned a B3 and a G0 before to know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Titan7171 View Post
    would it be ok if I posted my results with the K9A2 here?? Im using 6400X2 though?
    Well, I'd like to stick with Phenom in general but X2 results with this board are also welcome which highlight or deal with the boards issues/performance/oc.

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    KTE -- look what came today:


    Still waiting on the MB.....
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    can I see what the 9600 BE HSF looks like JJ


    I have one that will be here sat or monday...


    they revised the 4 piper nice...


    saw them
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonspd View Post
    can I see what the 9600 BE HSF looks like JJ


    I have one that will be here sat or monday...
    Hang tight, let me take some pictures....
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    cool thanks

    I want to see what it looks like and if I' gonna need to start moding a xp-90c


    edit perdy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonspd View Post
    cool thanks

    I want to see what it looks like and if I' gonna need to start moding a xp-90c
    Here ya' go:

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    Nice they did a make over on the left over 4 pipe sinks

    I wonder why newegg hasn't changed it's listing yet I contacted then tuesday.

    There 9600 BE says no HSF included....
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