[RahulSood]Intel 45nm unstable on 'certain chipsets'

[saaya]

so 45nm cpus are delayed because nvidia has a problem with their chipset?


more and more stupid excuses from intel...
from what i keep hearing they are having mfging probs with 45nm hence the newer 45nm chips clock worse and worse and run hotter and hotter

[Periander6]

so 45nm cpus are delayed because nvidia has a problem with their chipset?


more and more stupid excuses from intel...
from what i keep hearing they are having mfging probs with 45nm hence the newer 45nm chips clock worse and worse and run hotter and hotter

You hear wrong. If there were manufacturing problems the wolfdales and notebook parts, which are much much higher volume, would not be launching on time. They are. That you would respond to manufacturing problems by delaying a single digit percentage of your launch makes no sense.

[Shintai]

proof?

Also, HP uses the striker extreme for both SLI and CF computers so I think they've tried it

Maybe Asus just makes the BIOSes for fun then to support it on the Striker Extreme

Also if you knew, it is not the chipset thats the issue with yorkfield on i680. But nVidia board design that everyone, cept Asus uses.

And not to digg in it. But this Rahul dont seem to be the brightest person around.

[Hornet331]

so 45nm cpus are delayed because nvidia has a problem with their chipset?


more and more stupid excuses from intel...
from what i keep hearing they are having mfging probs with 45nm hence the newer 45nm chips clock worse and worse and run hotter and hotter

which delayes?

i can buy 45nm xeons and Xtreme Cpus now, and im sure intel will deliver all other 45nm in 1Q... so nothing delayed here...

[savantu]

so 45nm cpus are delayed because nvidia has a problem with their chipset?


more and more stupid excuses from intel...
from what i keep hearing they are having mfging probs with 45nm hence the newer 45nm chips clock worse and worse and run hotter and hotter

You should check your hearing more often then.There are plenty of reviews out there , either by HW sites or individual users ( quite a few here too ) which show 45nm CPUs clocking nicely and having far better perf/watt than anything we've seen before.

Secondly , the way Intel actually develops a new process more or less makes it fault-proof.

Thirdly , Intel started 45nm mass production in September with FAB D1D.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10173

"Acer will launch no less than eight new Penryn-based notebooks in January ... Fujitsu has two new Penryn notebooks on deck ... Sony is unleashing five new VAIO models ... The above notebooks are just the first wave of new Penryn-announcements. Expect a bevy of new announcements at the start of CES from manufacturers including HP/Compaq, Dell and Asus."

Doesn't look like manufacturing problems to me.

[Donnie27]

Yeah... HP Gaming's Sood Sounds Off On State Of Chips

He mislead about Phenom.. but mislead has nearly every other journalist we know. He could still be right or wrong.

I remember folks at Tech Report, Ars and other sites saying, "Come On AMD, show us the goods". Others like Rahul and Kyle seemed like they were working for AMD's PR dept.

Rahul also trashed guys here when the first Conroe Tests showed up.

[Donnie27]

http://www.rahulsood.com/2006/03/if-...e-machine.html

he long and the short of it is Intel has crafted an excellent marketing strategy to show off their baby in its first trimester. They are trying to win the hearts and minds of enthusiasts half a year before they have anything to show us. They created these platforms in house, and we can only hope they unknowingly crutched the AMD system by using a chipset and motherboard - with an outdated bios - that no enthusiast supports. EDITED FOR CLARITY - If you read the article you'll see that the AMD system is clearly crutched - I am hoping that Intel had no clue that this was the case. I suspect they did this unknowingly.

I’m going to give Intel an “A” for their P.R. effort, good job guys, and thanks for the show. I can’t wait to see the real substance.

Conroe looks strong no doubt, hopefully it will be available in volume by the time it launches.


Anyone reading this should also assume that AMD is not standing still. Based on these articles it's clear that this year is going to be absolutely incredible.

AMD still has some big performance gains with AM2, we are talking about a new platform with low latency DDR-2 support along with new processors. While I’d love to tell you how much performance difference this would give you on a clock to clock basis, I’m afraid you’ll have to use your imaginations for now.

LOL!

[Epsilon84]

LOL thanks for the laugh Donnie.

A few more select Rahul Sood gems to show his truly 'unbiased' side -

http://www.rahulsood.com/2006/08/ran...y-evening.html

The other day I wrote a blog about our ratios on the high end changing significantly and all of the sudden a bunch of “pumpers” are making claims that AMD is in trouble. Talk about reactionary crap, AMD is not in trouble – at all. In fact it’s clear that AMD has now planted the seeds which will help pull themselves into a true Duopoly position against Intel (love it or hate it guys, it is reality).

As you know AMD announced their 4X4 technology in July. Many questions have come up since the announcement about 4X4 regarding the benefits that gamers and enthusiasts will realize. With Intel Kentsfield around the corner and AMD 4X4 on the way, the concept of multi-threaded gaming is becoming an exciting reality. Of course it’s not all about multi-threaded gaming like many people assume, there are many more benefits of 4X4 that I can’t wait to get into.

I believe AMD is paving the way for a new category of enthusiast and I am writing a 4x4 article for the next issue of CPU magazine. I think AMD via 4X4 has some incredible potential to create an entirely new category as long as AMD markets it well.

[Zytek_Fan]

...well, AMD did sorta start the dual socket gamer thing...so Rahul is sorta right about that

[crash5s]

Sood is one of the most biased blow hards out there.

All for AMD, all for nforce. Some of the crud he spouts is flat out amazing.

His panties are in a wad because he keeps hyping nforce and used the striker for the blackbird... DOH!

[brewer265]

Am I wrong or doesnt HP sell more Intel processors than anybody else?

[JumpingJack]

Am I wrong or doesnt HP sell more Intel processors than anybody else?

I have not seen the data to say one way or the other, but I have seen the data that HP sells more systems with AMD processors than anyone else.

I can try to dig the link.

[Donnie27]

I have not seen the data to say one way or the other, but I have seen the data that HP sells more systems with AMD processors than anyone else.

I can try to dig the link.

First of all, Happy New Year.

I saw that too JJ. I think its somewhere too. When AMD first sued Intel, HP was one of the first examples Intel held up. HP is still Intel's Number One partner and the ties go deeper than Dell. HP is in it with Intel on Chipsets, Helped R&D on Itanium, and etc.... IBM sells more AMD Servers last I heard/read.

[Donnie27]

...well, AMD did sorta start the dual socket gamer thing...so Rahul is sorta right about that

Didn't you like that Double standard? Here we Had Fugger, FCG, and many others testing Conroe and Rahul doubted their legitimacy. Yet, he swears AMD had killer tech he never touched, saw independent tests of and etc..... He not only Cheerleaded for Barcelona, he did the same thing for AM2, 4X4, and 65nm K8's. I honestly think he, Kyle and a few others are too smart to miss this badly. They're either thinking with their Hearts that belong to AMD or they're paid by AMD. I refuse to believe they're that dumb. It's not like they're the AMDZone FCOL!

[Zytek_Fan]

Didn't you like that Double standard? Here we Had Fugger, FCG, and many others testing Conroe and Rahul doubted their legitimacy. Yet, he swears AMD had killer tech he never touched, saw independent tests of and etc..... He not only Cheerleaded for Barcelona, he did the same thing for AM2, 4X4, and 65nm K8's. I honestly think he, Kyle and a few others are too smart to miss this badly. They're either thinking with their Hearts that belong to AMD or they're paid by AMD. I refuse to believe they're that dumb. It's not like they're the AMDZone FCOL!

Seems that Rahul needs a dose of reality


Rahul has reason to not like NVIDIA chipsets for Intel, because we all know that they are complete garbage, but that isn't any reason to hate on Intel.

[flopper]

He runs a company that profit from computer sales, cant trust such biased position.

In regard to amd, they had a 3 year run and still they did fail to convince the consumer how good their chips was to intels.
It takes time and good marketing skills to sell a solution and then be able to back it up with hardware.
AMD has issues with that.
Maybe they re-design the company and go more graphics than cpu.

[Zytek_Fan]

He runs a company that profit from computer sales, cant trust such biased position.

In regard to amd, they had a 3 year run and still they did fail to convince the consumer how good their chips was to intels.
It takes time and good marketing skills to sell a solution and then be able to back it up with hardware.
AMD has issues with that.
Maybe they re-design the company and go more graphics than cpu.

It makes be wonder how Voodoo became so "respected" when their CEO is so biased. Yes, he had good reason to be, but not anymore.


AMD never had a good marketing department, nor did they ever make an effort to fix that problem. They did recently hire a marketing man from Intel, but that hasn't done anything

[Donnie27]

He runs a company that profit from computer sales, cant trust such biased position.

In regard to amd, they had a 3 year run and still they did fail to convince the consumer how good their chips was to intels.
It takes time and good marketing skills to sell a solution and then be able to back it up with hardware.
AMD has issues with that.
Maybe they re-design the company and go more graphics than cpu.

AMD didn't have a 3 year, the A64 and P4 were ALWAYS app Dependant and that's what kept all of the flame wars going. AMD ruled nothing until X2 shipped and then they were priced out of a lot folks budget. AMD did well in the Server market for 3 years because A64 scaled better. This didn't do much for them on the desktop. P4 still ruled the Multimedia world and some other streaming apps. Northwood C's rocked. AMD ran raw or poor optimized apps and games better more times than not. And even more importantly P4 enjoyed much more stable chipsets and motherboards as a whole. Consumers aren't as stupid as most Geeks think they are. I do mean all consumers from Head IT folks ordering 1000's or a soccer Mom buying one.

[Donnie27]

It makes be wonder how Voodoo became so "respected" when their CEO is so biased. Yes, he had good reason to be, but not anymore.


AMD never had a good marketing department, nor did they ever make an effort to fix that problem. They did recently hire a marketing man from Intel, but that hasn't done anything

Because most Gamers are in the middle as was stated earlier. They buy what's faster and don't love AMD or Intel. Voodoo did it's best when AMD offered the best Gaming Processor. He's also a business man and reluctantly went with Conroe and complained for having to do so. Others at Voodoo PC don't agree with him. It's not like he does it alone.