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[fart_plume]

I agree with sierra bound, This is our pep talk thread. No Negativity please.

[RAMMIE]

Results are meaningless. Interesting. Then why do you do this? Points mean nothing to researchers.

And what do you mean by "help all the sciences that we want"? Some people here just want to run the cancer project. Are you saying they are wrong for thinking that way? Don't come back here to flame.

I didn't say results are meaningless.Please reread.I said # of results are.There is no correlation between that # and work done.

[phelan1777]

# of results are just as meaningless as # of points.
If everyone just ran DDT,the results #s would be phenomenal.Does that help all the sciences that we want?

We brag about points and mark highlights each member hits, but that is not our driving goal, I recently tooted my own horn cause I didn't realize I was over 2Mil but prior that, I pretty much never checked my pts, but pick on other members all in good fun, but if we started to focus mainly on points, i feel anyway that, that would start to negatively affect the team.

Our focus should be, for the most part, results, and as many as we can send in the better, the parallel to that is the pts, and in that, it will always fall second to gettign the work done.

That is how I see things anyway, and I think I can say that many others here see it in a similar light.

[sierra_bound]

I didn't say results are meaningless.Please reread.I said # of results are.There is no correlation between that # and work done.

Uh, I thought the whole idea behind these projects is to get as many people involved as possible. More people (and machines) means more results processed. Isn't that the idea behind grid computing? This is a direct quote from the WCG site:

Grid computing joins together many individual computers, creating a large system with massive computational power that far surpasses the power of a handful of supercomputers. Because the work is split into small pieces that can be processed simultaneously, research time is reduced from years to months. The technology is also more cost-effective, enabling better use of critical funds.

Or am I missing something here.

Also, you didn't answer my question. If all these things are meaningless to you, then why do you do this?

[Movieman]

I guess the issue is we are all different people and see things differently.
BUT, and the big BUT is that we are all after the same thing.
Helping to wipe out disease in a way that we can do.
I don't care which project anyone runs, if they are in it for points or for the results or whatever puts a timgle in their shorts.
What matters is that they do the work. The work is all that matters.
Another point that has to be accepted is that milestones of any type, points, WU's completed or just hours run will be mentioned as it is a way of measuring what others have done and a way of saying Thank you for your help. It "ain't" ego or a need to be stroked.
I can get that by turning on CFS and shooting down enemy planes..
Last I want to say that amongst us, there should be no arguements.
We all want the same thing, just voice it in different ways.

[RAMMIE]

Uh, I thought the whole idea behind these projects is to get as many people involved as possible. More people (and machines) means more results processed. Isn't that the idea behind grid computing? This is a direct quote from the WCG site:



Or am I missing something here.

Also, you didn't answer my question. If all these things are meaningless to you, then why do you do this?

And I was showing things that can make this team succesfull in retaining new members.

[SiGfever]

Most of us came to these projects for different reasons. Mine was to fight cancer and to do my little part to contribute to make this planet a better place for all people.

I rarely check my numbers but do so to make sure my machines are doing their jobs, the points are a measure of work completed and a sign of our dedication to this team and to the science. People such as DDTUNG are an inspiration to us all and his dedication speaks for itself.

It appears to me that we run a diverse set of projects to try and help spread the help across the sciences and every work unit returned just might be the one that is the Rosetta Stone.

Rammie, we all miss you here and would welcome you back if you ever chose to do so. I wish you and your family a very Happy Holidays and wish good health to you and yours.

[sierra_bound]

And I was showing things that can make this team succesfull in retaining new members.

The team is already successful. It's ranked number three in the world. The only two teams ahead of us both have much larger memberships. And we all know what motivates the members of one of those teams.

But what good are members if they are not completing and submitting work? How does a lot of inactive computers help science?

[RAMMIE]

Uh, ................

Also, you didn't answer my question. If all these things are meaningless to you, then why do you do this?

I didn't say the work is meaningless.I sad the #s that show on the stats sites are.

I do it for the cures regardless of points or # of results.If I did it for fun I would be an idiot for the investment I put in.

[[XC] serlv]

And I was showing things that can make this team succesfull in retaining new members.

I like seeing how it is done elsewhere. If it works then it has merit and validity. Thanks for the input, Rammie. There are some good ideas there.

[RAMMIE]

I like seeing how it is done elsewhere. If it works then it has merit and validity. Thanks for the input, Rammie. There are some good ideas there.

Thanks Scott
Only trying to help.

[RAMMIE]

Uh, I thought the whole idea behind these projects is to get as many people involved as possible. More people (and machines) means more results processed. Isn't that the idea behind grid computing? This is a direct quote from the WCG site:....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1046
Wasn't that what my post addressed?

[twilyth]

I've only been here for a few months but I think I have a good sense of what most XS'ers are about. Members are more the independent, free-thinking trailblazer types. Maybe not Type A's, but definitely not type B's either. Maybe the term "Ace Slackers" sums it up. For the most part we're not contrarians for the sake of being opposed to something, we just don't like anything that smells like a herd.

I was at grid.org for several years and a lot of people tried to cultivate a sense of camaraderie. I thought it was ok although there were many times I thought I would gag. But I didn't say anything unless I had something to say. The problem is that you get a culture of conformity and when something really is wrong, no one wants to stand up and observe the obvious.

That's not how things work here. Yeah you've got you're fanboys, but that's something different. People here go their own way and aren't looking to have their hands held.

It's my kind of group.

[RAMMIE]

I've only been here for a few months but I think I have a good sense of what most XS'ers are about. Members are more the independent, free-thinking trailblazer types. Maybe not Type A's, but definitely not type B's either. Maybe the term "Ace Slackers" sums it up. For the most part we're not contrarians for the sake of being opposed to something, we just don't like anything that smells like a herd.

I was at grid.org for several years and a lot of people tried to cultivate a sense of camaraderie. I thought it was ok although there were many times I thought I would gag. But I didn't say anything unless I had something to say. The problem is that you get a culture of conformity and when something really is wrong, no one wants to stand up and observe the obvious.

That's not how things work here. Yeah you've got you're fanboys, but that's something different. People here go their own way and aren't looking to have their hands held.

It's my kind of group.

I think that most people here are sheep and follow a few shepherds .New reqruites play for awhile then leave.That's why this team almost always has 30 -40 % participation.Never can sustain above 50%.


I'm being a free thinker and getting burned for it.

[phelan1777]

<glances @ his Slacker title................

You ever check out my Stacker Slacker thread..........there are a WHOLE lot of slackers there

I get called Captain Obvious alot............wonder if that is supposed to mean something.

[RAMMIE]

.... The problem is that you get a culture of conformity and when something really is wrong, no one wants to stand up and observe the obvious......

That's what I'm doing and getting crucified ,

[phelan1777]

I think that most people here are sheep and follow a few shepherds .New reqruites play for awhile then leave.That's why this team almost always has 30 -40 % participation.Never can sustain above 50%.


I'm being a free thinker and getting burned for it.

then it seems you don't really know people if you want to make an assumption.

I dare you to call me a sheep.............

I came here of my own choice, not because someone told me about it, I found it, and XS on my own.

That makes me a sheep for choising where to put my time and energy?

For helping others when I can how I can?

I think you need to really think about your choice of words.

There is no "Shepard(s)" here. No one spews ideals, as that is a matter of free choice, because if you want to start calling us sheep, then you can start labeling anyone that wants to be a part of a group a "sheep" because they desire to be a part of something?

hell, then billions of people are sheep, oh wait that means you are one too..........oh wait, what is the word for that? Oh, umm hypocrite?

By calling others sheep, when you are one yourself, you have just lost any credibility you remotely thought you had.

[Movieman]

I think that most people here are sheep and follow a few shepherds .New reqruites play for awhile then leave.That's why this team almost always has 30 -40 % participation.Never can sustain above 50%.


I'm being a free thinker and getting burned for it.

I think what you have to both understand and except is that there are many types of people that join the teams.
There are the ones that come comitted and know what they want to do and stick with it. These are what I call the "core" of the team and I know they will be here today, tomorrow and next year.
Maybe 100-125 people.
Then there are the others that come for various reasons.
Some to try it out, some for something different, some for bragging rights.
Some of them stay, some don't and thats ok. Not everyone is willing to put up with the heat,electrical cost,etc of doing this long term.

That's what I'm doing and getting crucified ,

Not crucified, but you have to understand that these guys put a lot into this team and most of them can get very defensive about it.
I don't question your dedication but I think you have to step back and realise that not everyone thinks as you do or is motivated exactly as you are.
This is a case of many different ways working together for a common goal and the competitions do help to bring people in.
I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but you should accept it and learn not to let others ways of thinking bother you.

[RAMMIE]

I think what you have to both understand and except is that there are many types of people that join the teams.
There are the ones that come comitted and know what they want to do and stick with it. These are what I call the "core" of the team and I know they will be here today, tomorrow and next year.
Maybe 100-125 people.
Then there are the others that come for various reasons.
Some to try it out, some for something different, some for bragging rights.
Some of them stay, some don't and thats ok. Not everyone is willing to put up with the heat,electrical cost,etc of doing this long term.


Not crucified, but you have to understand that these guys put a lot into this team and most of them can get very defensive about it.
I don't question your dedication but I think you have to step back and realise that not everyone thinks as you do or is motivated exactly as you are.
This is a case of many different ways working together for a common goal and the competitions do help to bring people in.
I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but you should accept it and learn not to let others ways of thinking bother you.

that these guys put a lot into this team and most of them can get very defensive about it.

Only2 posters since mine has put as much into this team as I have.
SB who started questioning my motivation and you who put this together and kept it.The others haven't contributed nearly what I have @ WCG and Rosetta.
BYE

[road-runner]

Someone that is truly helping science does not need a team to help...

[RAMMIE]

EDIT=Forgot Scott who had the only positive response.

Thank you

[Movieman]

that these guys put a lot into this team and most of them can get very defensive about it.

Only2 posters since mine has put as much into this team as I have.
SB who started questioning my motivation and you who put this together and kept it.The others haven't contributed nearly what I have @ WCG and Rosetta.
BYE

I'm back to patience and understanding by all.
There is no need for any of us to fight or argue here.
I still admire what you've contributed and you know that.
My best to you.

[ShootStraight]

I think that most people here are sheep and follow a few shepherds .New reqruites play for awhile then leave.That's why this team almost always has 30 -40 % participation.Never can sustain above 50%.


I'm being a free thinker and getting burned for it.

Rammie,

I can agree with your underlying message and appreciate the useful suggestions of changes. However, its not the message that bothers me but rather the tactless and abrasive method you've chosen to communicate it. Do you expect that a statement like the one above would be greeted warmly, or in any way constructive? I think not, and it belies some of your true feelings which you are not speaking, but communicating nonetheless.

You aren't being buried for being a free-thinker, you're being buried for being an angry NON-thinker and you shouldnt be surprised if some "sheep" should come along and take his proverbial pound of flesh.

Speak freely or troll elsewhere.

-SS

[RAMMIE]

Someone that is truly helping science does not need a team to help...

What's the point of your response?

[RAMMIE]

Rammie,

I can agree with your underlying message and appreciate the useful suggestions of changes. However, its not the message that bothers me but rather the tactless and abrasive method you've chosen to communicate it. Do you expect that a statement like the one above would be greeted warmly, or in any way constructive? I think not, and it belies some of your true feelings which you are not speaking, but communicating nonetheless.

You aren't being buried for being a free-thinker, you're being buried for being an angry NON-thinker and you shouldnt be surprised if some "sheep" should come along and take his proverbial pound of flesh.

Speak freely or troll elsewhere.

-SS

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1046
my original post.Tried to help.Got on for making suggestions that work other places.

I guess I'll just go troll elsewhere with my angriness.That's been my style since I've been here.