My own complete review of Phenom 9500

**~~OBR~~** · 11-28-2007, 10:22 PM

In another thread (author was banned, for multi-nick login) some peoples want my results ... here is:

My complete review in Czech language: http://www.pctuning.cz/index.php?opt...9815&Itemid=28

Some results photos, and config ...

Config and testing systems ...

OC ...

Only 230MHz HT frequency, BIOS and mobo is flaky ... i had never seen worst mobo ever ...

This mobo with last F2L BIOS dont have a CPU Multiplier change in BIOS! It it strange ...

Consumption ...

First is Load, second Idle ...

Tests ...

etc ...

Look at complete review, more tests and games ...http://www.pctuning.cz/index.php?opt...9815&Itemid=28

Can Phenom to compete to Intel? ... NO! yet ...

Intel has : Great Overclocking, better performance, lower consumption ...
Phenom has : No Overclocking, lower performance (at the same clock), brutal consumption ...

PHENOM is C**P! ... till new revision, B3 - B4?

**JumpingJack** · 11-28-2007, 10:58 PM

ORB -- I need to say this....

One heck of a fine (outstanding) job.

**iMAX** · 11-28-2007, 11:15 PM

Only 230MHz HT frequency...

BIOS dont have a CPU Multiplier change in BIOS! ...

same prob with you , can't change multiplier in bios

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can't run AMD Overdrive

**JumpingJack** · 11-28-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by iMAX

same prob with you , can't change multiplier in bios

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can't run AMD Overdrive

I think you are confused ... the multipliers on this CPU are locked, he cannot change them.

**JumpingJack** · 11-28-2007, 11:21 PM

i had never seen worst mobo ever ...

I continue to get the very distinct impression that this product was prematurely released to market... it just sounds too buggy.

**v0dka** · 11-28-2007, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by JumpingJack

I think you are confused ... the multipliers on this CPU are locked, he cannot change them.

He probably means lower multipliers.

Very good review, altough I find your conclusions somewhat strange. How can you judge overclocking when the highest your mobo gives is 230HTT? It wont hit 3.6Ghz I'm sure but this is unfair. And why is power consumption 'brutal' if it is only a few watts more under load?

**JumpingJack** · 11-28-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by v0dka

He probably means lower multipliers.

Very good review, altough I find your conclusions somewhat strange. How can you judge overclocking when the highest your mobo gives is 230HTT? It wont hit 3.6Ghz I'm sure but this is unfair. And why is power consumption 'brutal' if it is only a few watts more under load?

Ohhhh, can't change the HTT multipliers... hmmmm sorry.

In terms of the HTT not hitting 3.6 GHz, it is running 3.6 GHz (1800 Mhz x 2, AMD quotes their 'GHz' when they should quote MT/s).

**~~OBR~~** · 11-29-2007, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by v0dka

He probably means lower multipliers.

Very good review, altough I find your conclusions somewhat strange. How can you judge overclocking when the highest your mobo gives is 230HTT? It wont hit 3.6Ghz I'm sure but this is unfair. And why is power consumption 'brutal' if it is only a few watts more under load?

OK, if my Phenom can do a better OC, i will very happy ... i am sure this is not ptoblem with CPU, but mobo ... BUT WE NEED take OC of that all platform ... RD790FX + Phenom = No OC today, maybe in few weeks will be better but now No OC!

Most important consumption is in IDLE! Because most of time are computers in IDLE ... think about it!

**v0dka** · 11-29-2007, 12:55 AM

A litle Babylonian confusion going on here.

I meant the cpu multiplier (as you said the cpu multi is locked) and 3.6Ghz cpu clock. The cpu clock probably wont hit 3.6Ghz, but given the results of this review its too early to label Phenom as a non overclackable cpu because the mobo cant go >230htt. Clearly the mobo is limiting the overclock.

In his conclusion OBR says that Phenom has no overclocking. So that struck me as odd. 'Brutal' power consumption also seems overdone, although the difference in load is quite high.

OBR did you give Overdrive a try?

**mAJORD** · 11-29-2007, 12:55 AM

you should be able to squeeze up to 2.7 out of it before the htt walls give strife, but perhaps there are differences between boards.

**LIKMARK** · 11-29-2007, 01:12 AM

That's on a 790Fx board mAJORD? Any luck with your Crosshair yet?

Nice test btw OBR!

**User9498** · 11-29-2007, 01:49 AM

Sounds like the Gigabyte board isn't so hot with only a 230 HT. Who's to say power consumption numbers aren't being affected by a lousy implementation too. I hear the MSI boards are hitting 500 HT though. Thanks for the effort and review. I hope you have better luck in the future.

**MikeB12** · 11-29-2007, 01:57 AM

Thanks for taking the time and effort to post up OBR...

**JumpingJack** · 11-29-2007, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by v0dka

A litle Babylonian confusion going on here.

I meant the cpu multiplier (as you said the cpu multi is locked) and 3.6Ghz cpu clock. The cpu clock probably wont hit 3.6Ghz, but given the results of this review its too early to label Phenom as a non overclackable cpu because the mobo cant go >230htt. Clearly the mobo is limiting the overclock.

In his conclusion OBR says that Phenom has no overclocking. So that struck me as odd. 'Brutal' power consumption also seems overdone, although the difference in load is quite high.

OBR did you give Overdrive a try?

Definitely miscommunication -- to quote a Paul Newman movie "What we have here is a failure to communicate"

my apologies.

I doubt you will see many hit 3.0 GHz. The > 230HTT may be a limit of the HTT rather than the mobo... as you suggested. So the HTT multi needs to be lowered.

@ORB, I don't read Czech -- could you explain to us if you tried changing the HT multiplier -- can it even be changed. Default is 9, but looking at your CPUID, it appears that the HTT is the culprit....

**mAJORD** · 11-29-2007, 02:03 AM

Yeah lixmark.. on the Ggiabyte.

2 Phenoms in the house ATM and both limited by this "wall"

both the same week, both similar OCing on stock 1.25v. 2.55ishGhz for one, closer to 2.6Ghz for the other prime stable.

Don't know about the Xhair. I don't think it's a case of having luckw ith it, just I need to do a rep Windows install to make it work.

Important to rememeber these are NOT simple CPU upgrades as far as windows is concerned, regardless of BIOS support.

It's the equivlent of a whole chipset (northbridge) change on an Intel system. Be ware you may need to rep windows or at the least, delete all your CPU related

out of device manager before installing

**v0dka** · 11-29-2007, 02:40 AM

Good points being made.

**Lightman** · 11-29-2007, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by User9498

Sounds like the Gigabyte board isn't so hot with only a 230 HT. Who's to say power consumption numbers aren't being affected by a lousy implementation too. I hear the MSI boards are hitting 500 HT though. Thanks for the effort and review. I hope you have better luck in the future.

If you would check Gigabytr thread you would know that this board can hit 430HTT with 5x multi. In other words 2150MHz HTT or 4300MT/s. Problem is with clocking HTT 3.0 Phenom uses but this will be ironed with time...

**LIKMARK** · 11-29-2007, 03:07 AM

@mAJORD: Would you do it if you got the time? I'm wondering how the AM2 htlink will do under phenom...

**mAJORD** · 11-29-2007, 03:17 AM

Lixmark, My friend has given me his Asus M2N32 SLI deluxe to try on it. I just don't want to rep or reinstall windows on this machine with the Xhair atm.

**LIKMARK** · 11-29-2007, 03:22 AM

thats no prob mAJORD, the m2n32 sli deluxe is almost the same, I'm most interested in AM2 htlink performance

**User9498** · 11-29-2007, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Lightman

If you would check Gigabytr thread you would know that this board can hit 430HTT with 5x multi. In other words 2150MHz HTT or 4300MT/s. Problem is with clocking HTT 3.0 Phenom uses but this will be ironed with time...

Oh, ok. My bad. Guess I have some reading to do.

**mAJORD** · 11-29-2007, 03:43 AM

don't worry user9498 , everyones just a bit testy ATM, so much trolling and nonsense going on around these parts

**Sparky** · 11-29-2007, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by OBR

OK, if my Phenom can do a better OC, i will very happy ... i am sure this is not ptoblem with CPU, but mobo ... BUT WE NEED take OC of that all platform ... RD790FX + Phenom = No OC today, maybe in few weeks will be better but now No OC!

Most important consumption is in IDLE! Because most of time are computers in IDLE ... think about it!

Yeah here's hoping they get some of this straightened out. Seems they really managed to mess up this release. I blame hector

By the time I'm able to upgrade my PC (mid summer 08 earliest) perhaps these issues will be ironed out. Guess we'll see.

BTW, that last part, my PC is rarely at idle so that doesn't matter much to me

**~~DoubleZero~~** · 11-29-2007, 04:23 AM

ANY review thats show Phenom losing to c2q is in a winrar benchmark, clock for clock, is either fake or done by something who doesn't know what they are doing, so nice try obr, thx for nothing.