Official Phenom Reviews Thread

[Zytek_Fan]

You know it was meant for the people who decide to get Phenom even though Yorkfield far surpasses it?

[Dainas]

You guys are just jealous cuz i'll be able to afford a Phenom system and yall cant b/c intel got all ur hardware allowance already haha.

Dig the quote even!

ROFL

[Jethro]

Yes Zyetek, i understood it well. The truth is just because it may be unpopular to buy AMD right now doesnt make it wrong or "false" to do. Just, according to some, its stupid, naive and whatever other venom is sprayed in light of that decision. I dont care what they say i'm quite ok with my choice.

Fact is it will be quite an upgrade for me and will probably have just as much longevity as a similarly priced Intel system if not more.. bottom line.

The margins of performance arent enough to sway that decision either. In fact im still quite looking forward to this, it has been 2yrs after all.

You can call me AMD fanboy anytime!

[Zytek_Fan]

Yes i understood it well. The truth is just because it may be unpopular to buy AMD right now doesnt make it wrong or "false" to do. Just, according to some, its stupid, naive and whatever other venom is sprayed in light of that decision. I dont care.

Fact is it will be quite an upgrade for me and will probably have just as much longevity as a similarly priced Intel system if not more.. bottom line.

The margins of performance arent enough to sway that decision either. In fact im still quite looking forward to this, it has been 2yrs after all.

You can call me AMD fanboy anytime!

Nothing wrong with having a strong conviction for a company. People can recommend you what to get over and over again, but it is YOU who makes the decision. It is you who decides what best fits what you do day to day, not other people.

[JumpingJack]

Yes Zyetek, i understood it well. The truth is just because it may be unpopular to buy AMD right now doesnt make it wrong or "false" to do. Just, according to some, its stupid, naive and whatever other venom is sprayed in light of that decision. I dont care what they say i'm quite ok with my choice.

Fact is it will be quite an upgrade for me and will probably have just as much longevity as a similarly priced Intel system if not more.. bottom line.

The margins of performance arent enough to sway that decision either. In fact im still quite looking forward to this, it has been 2yrs after all.

You can call me AMD fanboy anytime!

Jethro, no body is trying to convince you personally what to buy, nor should we... that goes for anyone or anything, as I said before there are some people who will buy AMD no matter what and even buying a Phenom now or tomorrow, if one is an exclusive AMD user then they are going to get a performance boost in some fashion.

What is incorrect it looking at the data (and you have not done this per se) and drawing conclusions to the contrary, propping up an inaccurate picture that would fool otherwise unknowledgable people into thinking AMD has some how achieved parity or exceeded intel in performance and/or value for various applications.

Buying a Phenom is not a bad choice, not by a long shot -- and it should not be 'unpopular' in terms of 'you should not be insulted for your purchasing decision' ... purchase what you feel you need/want but do so knowing that for the money it is clear it is the second best -- this is what a research of the data into your purchase will and should conclude. I myself always research my big purchases, through reviews, consumer report magazines, and other publications and specs. I often do not purchase the most expensive or top rated products of various stuff for similar reasons, perhaps I just want to treat the little guy better or I have had a bad experience with the other player, who knows.... to each their own.

Jack

[Jethro]

Hmm didnt mean to imply parity or mislead. If anything im being insensitive to all the benchmarking crowd that has to have the fastest thing no matter what. In that light i guess the Phenom has bummed a few out. This is xtremesystems after all and i should respect that. On the other hand 2nd class or not, I'll enjoy my next box just as much as the other guy and thats what matters

[KTE]

No one can say it's "wrong" to buy whoever, it's your money and you can buy your personal preference as in with clothes, a car, a house or what not, without external condescending commands. All they can say is which perfroms better relatively and absolutely.. and the reason of saying this should be "for your or others' benefit" or the speaker is as bad as the one whose arguing a moot point. Name calling is again a common tactic usually employed by the weak in the head or arguments of playground children lacking comprehension in much because its the easiest scapegoat to use, although sometimes its applicable but those times are rarer than imagined by many. No one owns you or is higher up than you, like a God on earth to be able to command and control you and your money in that way... apart from governments and their millitaries quite obviously. AMDs latest if priced rightly and packaged well with a stable and attractive platform (with saturated volume supply) appeals to many outside of the fanbase as well. It is with regret though, that I say they are having supply problems, which is glaringly obvious and pushing X4/X2/FX from September to January/March/April is not decent in any regard at all, they missed and lost thousands of customers at least, let alone fans. By then I'm pretty sure most quad-core hunters would've taken the Penryn/C2Q route.

One supposition I've heard provided for support is that AMD is waiting to spoil Penryn with a 2.8GHz FX/2.8GHz X4 launch near to Penryn desktop launch in volumes (January). That could be, as I'm not privy to the company but it's highly unlikely, as in above 98% unlikely at this stage, seeing what we've seen and how the tables have turned throughout last year. I don't think there will be a 2.8GHz till mid-Q2 at least. The core for Barcelona is the same as Phenom. Supply is short and yeilds far lower than a C2Q, and the demand in the server market is not being met enough to have enough for desktop users where the profit margin and monetary importance is smaller than in the server segment. So what you see is AMD prioritizing for the server over desktop users, although still falling short. Just look at the ETA for the launched X4. The only model freely available at many places and offered by OEMs is the 9500.

[JumpingJack]

Hmm didnt mean to imply parity or mislead. If anything im being insensitive to all the benchmarking crowd that has to have the fastest thing no matter what. In that light i guess the Phenom has bummed a few out. This is xtremesystems after all and i should respect that. On the other hand 2nd class or not, I'll enjoy my next box just as much as the other guy and thats what matters

And that is my point, people will spend their money on what ever they want to spend it on... we can all read, or at least most of us... the data is the data and you know what you are getting.

As a case in point, my background is in the hard sciences, so I like to experiment, turn knobs and such... I bought an AM2 board and a throw-away brisbane just to tinker, with the intention of plopping in a Phenom when support became available. Part of my experiments are looking for the cold-bug on the 65 nm process (I have a theory ), after I was finished with the Phenom it would become a folder and, if per chance it beat my QX6850 (*long shot chance*) it would have become my main rig so I will buy AMD processors because, frankly they are better at a few things at the moment... just like I bought P4's when K8's were kicking but because P4's were better and a couple of applications (not many mind you, but a couple )....

When the B3's come out I will take a closer look at perhaps following through on that plop in/fold plan, but the TLB errata chatter has me a little spooked... errata is fact in all CPUs, but if this is enough to cause AMD to withdraw a bin, then I will wait.

Jack

[Jethro]

Or not getting anytime soon if what KTE says is true... May have to get the everything but the cpu for now =(

[DuceGT]

I'm still praying for reverse hyper threading

[JumpingJack]

I'm still praying for reverse hyper threading

Don't laugh... AMD actually has a patent on the concept, and Intel is working on Mitosis (http://www.intel.com/technology/maga...ading-1205.htm)

Theo Valich's Reverse HyperThreading has a more computer science technical name, it is called Speculative Threading, and it does indeed exist. A quick search reveals some interesting data:

http://liberty.princeton.edu/Publica...calability.pdf
http://personals.ac.upc.edu/antonio/...1999_paper.pdf
http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~jbrown/papers/sp-cmp.pdf

[mongoled]

thanks for the moderation

[Dream308]

AmdTI shouldnt of been investing so much interest in their newly aquired video card ownership but rather what made them what they are today..

I had such high hopes also..
/Crushed.

Lol @ Mr.smartass nice picture!.. Its sad but true.

[mongoled]

P.S. whats wrong with the image?

For an 'engineer' you sure arnt using your brain very well....

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[Cooper]

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Exactly and he should know that better

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[knightwolf654]

i see one guy on here defending a company and about 10 putting him down. wow you guys were bully's weren't you

AMD has a good system, its worth it to me to upgrade since my system is acting funky as it is. AMD will get my money, Just because you guys cant handle someones decisions you continue to cut it down. classic bullying and i am tired of reading it, jeez come on now so AMD didn't perform as well as you wanted they still are first to release a native quad core. it may not be all that but its still enough of a performance leap for AMD to get my money, if you have a problem with that you a intel fanboy and probable shouldn't be posting in this thread.

[KTE]

Or not getting anytime soon if what KTE says is true... May have to get the everything but the cpu for now =(

I was in a similar boat. I had all the components ready (well ordered) and the 9700 ordered too. They gave me a 3 week wait initially (2 week from now) but they've changed the ETA status to January 08 now. My profession is also in the sciences so it wasn't for the sake of uber performance I was buying it, but for messing around and experiementing which is kinda second nature in our inclining. ..

[naokaji]

i see one guy on here defending a company and about 10 putting him down. wow you guys were bully's weren't you

AMD has a good system, its worth it to me to upgrade since my system is acting funky as it is. AMD will get my money, Just because you guys cant handle someones decisions you continue to cut it down. classic bullying and i am tired of reading it, jeez come on now so AMD didn't perform as well as you wanted they still are first to release a native quad core. it may not be all that but its still enough of a performance leap for AMD to get my money, if you have a problem with that you a intel fanboy and probable shouldn't be posting in this thread.

Native or not... many people here would stick a goattongue into their mainboard if it would net higher performance..... just because they clearly say they want the higher performing part doesnt automatically make them fanboys.

barcelona sure is a nice drop in upgrade for the server market over k8, also, for gamers who have a big monitor and run it at its native resolution are gpu limited, so the pure cpu performance difference isnt as important anymore.

but, especially considering how easy it is to get massive oc's out of c2d, phenom is really far less than most people hoped for, also amd failed to fix what held k8 back in multimedia applications.

[Boschwanza]

So whats the deal with all that "disappointment" and Phenom bashing... anybody looked a bit more carefull on all that benches ?

I realy don't care about 10 FPS more or less on a game Benchmark unless the FPS are over 25. Whats realy interesting are those Benchmarks which take a great Benefit of 4 Core Design.

So lets look ....and.... oh what suprise, the Phenom is Equal to C2Q and even better then Intel in some Benches. If there is not such multicore optimization the real power of the Phenom just slips away and the result of that you can figure out in the rest of the "Core2 equal to Core4" benches.

The Phenom is the little Brother of the K10. The Barcelona is a big competition for Intel in Server market because there he takes alle the Benefits of its architecture (Scaling & SSE128 ).

Its not a matter of performance, its a matte how big a software can improve of 4 Core Design.

So my Opinion : All this disappointment is ridicoules. The Phenom does great in
what he is supposed to do -> Multithreading & Multicore Tasks!

[freeloader]

So whats the deal with all that "disappointment" and Phenom bashing... anybody looked a bit more carefull on all that benches ?

I realy don't care about 10 FPS more or less on a game Benchmark unless the FPS are over 25. Whats realy interesting are those Benchmarks which take a great Benefit of 4 Core Design.

So lets look ....and.... oh what suprise, the Phenom is Equal to C2Q and even better then Intel in some Benches. If there is not such multicore optimization the real power of the Phenom just slips away and the result of that you can figure out in the rest of the "Core2 equal to Core4" benches.

The Phenom is the little Brother of the K10. The Barcelona is a big competition for Intel in Server market because there he takes alle the Benefits of its architecture (Scaling & SSE128 ).

Its not a matter of performance, its a matte how big a software can improve of 4 Core Design.

So my Opinion : All this disappointment is ridicoules. The Phenom does great in
what he is supposed to do -> Multithreading & Multicore Tasks!

You can't be serious? Not to mention it's appetite for power. AMD clearly has some catching up to do.

Two thumbs up for AMD for the 38x0 series of GPU and the 790 chipset series, thumbs down for Phenom until the bugs are worked out and AMD can release it at higher speeds.

[Periander6]

the Phenom is Equal to C2Q

No. It is not even close to C2Q. It's 10% slower clock for clock, and its top speed is only 2.3GHz. Overall the FASTEST Phenom is slower than the SLOWEST C2Q. When you add in the fact that C2Q goes up to 3GHz the Kentsfield obliterates the Phenom. Were talking about Kentsfield, something a year old that Intel is about to replace. Not only can Phenom not equal it, it can't even overlap any part of C2Q's performance range. Even Prescott NEVER did so badly. Phenom is even worse than Prescott, and everyone knows what pure crap Prescott was.

[Start]

If you want to get technical, the X3210 should be the slowest quad core from Intel for LGA 775.

[knightwolf654]

i am not disapointed in AMD with this new chip, so its slower, i am not going to notice 10 fps as long as its high i dont care, intel wont get my money, ever. stop putting the guys down who are going to get a phenom, it seems you guys want nothing to do with AMD or ever do. then again i dont want to have anything to due with intel. plane and simple. intel is faster yes, cheaper in some aspects yes but still NOT BY MUCH.
10% is not much phenom just came out, give it a few revisions and that tiny gap will be closed. face it you guys are fanboys. i am and i am admitting it.
step one to getting better in this meeting of CPUA is admitting your addiction... I LOVE AMD SO MUCH I WANT LITTLE AMD BABYS!!!

[GoThr3k]

I've owned an 8800GTS since launch date. You can find them for slightly over 200 dollars used now, which happens to be the same price as a 3870 and slightly less than MSRP of an 8800GT. I have yet to this day see a product from ATI that can match, let alone beat my overclocked GTS across the board. They may have a slight advantage vs a stock GTS in some games but turn on AA and it's all over.

sorry,but that is wrong,the AA issue is fixed with RV670

[Dimitriman]

The important thing if u think about it, is that phenom is friggin finally out and now AMD can keep improving it till it provides a better value. Intels Penryn are only trully gonna be available in February 08 so if AMD can fix all the bugs and come up with a nice phenom to counter in particular Intel's Q9450, they will have a grip of the largest selling segment of Quad Cores.
Say what you want but if you have something to compete with Q6600 and Q9450, then you are part of the biggest market for quad cores since those sell the most no doubt. If AMD can compete here they will stay alive for next year I'm sure.