Superpi score proofs Phenom X4 is a bit faster than Athlon64 X2...

**hipro5** · 10-30-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by zakelwe

I'd like to see someone bench 3dmark01, 05 and 06 at 3GHz with all game/test scores listed. That would give me a feel for this cpu.

Regards

Andy

+1.....

**Kasparz** · 10-30-2007, 01:13 AM

Kyosen-san tested server K10 vs server K8.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=170
Retail stepping will show some performance boost for sure. And also, all these benchmarks were done with very, very slow ram.
Also there are 3dmark06 benches with 8800gt.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=181
AMD was never been strong in superpi, even in netburst vs K7/K8 times.
If now we compare pricing between AMD and Intel, AMD is winner in oem/entry/mainstream market. x2 6000+ is cheaper than E6550 by about 10$ and x2 6000+ is faster in most benchmarks. In Latvia x2 6000+ is about 15$ cheaper average. And if we talk about boards, compare amd boards with intel boards. Lets say, difference from nF520/560/570 boards and P31/P35 is very big. For 80$ you can buy BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ boards. One of the best boards for AM2 if you don't need sli. I would say this is best boards. Lot better than Asus M2N series. Cheapert overclockable Intel boards with P35 starts from 100$. BIOSTAR TForce TP35D2-A7 is 105$. So you can get faster AM2 setup for 35$ less. I don't see any reasons why AMD is bad or slow in this view. Off course if you need pimprig, AMD doesn't have desktop quads or anything that can beat E6850 now. But as i said in oem/entry/mainstream market AMD is looking better than Intel.
If we talk about barcelona, AMD Opteron 2344HE(1.7Ghz) costs 215$. If quad K10 chip with ~1.8Ghz will cost 150$ in Q1 '08 Intel should start to worry. Why? Of course all pimprig owners would already have yorkfields, kentsfields clocked at 4Ghz and laughing at AMD in every thread in every forum. But for people who doesn't overclock AMD would be lot better choice. Cheap quads, cheap dualcores is what people need. Lets say, people who are interested in overclocking are about 0.02% of all worlds population who have computer. But having 4 core processor for 150$ is wow!
Yes, this is xtremesystems and we doesn't care about pussies who doesn't overclock, but i hate these intel fanpois threadcrapping over and over again. Where they been in netburst times, huh?

**K404** · 10-30-2007, 01:13 AM

+2 TBH

stock clock and 3GHz if anyone feels like being nice so we can see the scaling

Cheers!

**Face** · 10-30-2007, 01:36 AM

3Dmark06 scores of Phenom X4 on AMD 770 vs QX9650 (underclk 2GHz) on X38
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30-10-2007

Performance of Quad Core Phenom X4 2GHz on AMD 770 chipset vs QX9650 running on X38 using 8800GTX

SUPER PI 1M = 40s

Using 8800GTX external vga card,
3Dmark06 = 98xx (Phenom X4 runs at 2GHz)
3Dmark06 = 107xx (QX9650 underclk to 2GHz)

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=68503

**Poki** · 10-30-2007, 01:57 AM

Hmm..., those super pi scores in the first post are identical to my to my old NF4/Opteron 146/1gb BH-5 rig running 3GHz DDR500 2-2-2-5 1t.
I know the AMD Tri/Quads scale better with more cores but man the performance just doesn't seem to have improved much if at all.
I've been pretty optimistic(so far) about what AMD was bringing to the table with K10 but I can't see them making any money on these chips in retail.

**Sparky** · 10-30-2007, 02:22 AM

I really don't care much anymore. I keep hearing "yeah wait for B2 it'll be much better" or "just wait until this" or whatever - and nothing happens. Doesn't matter much to me since I can't buy one anyway! When I can I will probably still get one since intel won't get my money and it will be better than my opteron (if for no other reason it has more cores! Better for crunching).

Now if there is some sort of magical stuff coming from AMD then by all means bring it on but I don't have my hopes up.

**~~BeardyMan~~** · 10-30-2007, 02:51 AM

amd 770?
is that a value chipset or what?

**Pacha** · 10-30-2007, 03:28 AM

Any result of max oc yet? if it oc to 3GHz easily then I hope it won't be stuck at 3.2GHz or such, otherwise it will be hard to compete with penryn stable @ 4G

**Tony** · 10-30-2007, 03:47 AM

All I see nowadays is people linking super pi to how good a cpu is, fact is unless you are seriously sad you won't be playing pi every night for 4 to 6 hrs now will you

AMD are bringing "a platform" not just a cpu that does pi in 8 secs which in reality means very little. if you stand back and see the bigger picture here you will see AMD have changed strategy for a while and really are not that bothered about super pi any more...its just you guys here on XS that are!

Im looking forward to crossfire X on 790 with a Phenom with a chipset that runs really cool and does not even need a heatsink in most cases and hopfully never running superpi on the machine at all

**Tony** · 10-30-2007, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Face;

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=68503

That article needed to just look at the frame rates on the actual game benches and not just the final score which is more CPU score dependent.

**Morais** · 10-30-2007, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tony

All I see nowadays is people linking super pi to how good a cpu is, fact is unless you are seriously sad you won't be playing pi every night for 4 to 6 hrs now will you

AMD are bringing "a platform" not just a cpu that does pi in 8 secs which in reality means very little. if you stand back and see the bigger picture here you will see AMD have changed strategy for a while and really are not that bothered about super pi any more...its just you guys here on XS that are!

Im looking forward to crossfire X on 790 with a Phenom with a chipset that runs really cool and does not even need a heatsink in most cases and hopfully never running superpi on the machine at all

Excelent post, i agree completly.
I dont mind if the performance of phenom be a bit lower than new penryns, just want cheap CPU's with great Performance/ cost and Performance/Watt.
Pi means nothing, i want 3D06 Numbers

**Hornet331** · 10-30-2007, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Morais

Excelent post, i agree completly.
I dont mind if the performance of phenom be a bit lower than new penryns, just want cheap CPU's with great Performance/ cost and Performance/Watt.
Pi means nothing, i want 3D06 Numbers

performance/watt sure goes to penryn. Just look what the QX9650 consumes in regards to the QX6850 on the same system. A quad 9650 consumes hardly more than a 6400+....

price/performance, this needs to be determined, but im sure amd will win this one. (for quads)

**Fr3ak** · 10-30-2007, 04:38 AM

Isnt that Phenom overclocked? If CPU-Z reads the voltage right, I would say it is. Seems like 1.5V to me.

But nontheless, SuperPi results don't mean much. As Kunaak said, game benches would be nice. Cinebench R10 is not that bad either.

**Sparky** · 10-30-2007, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Isnt that Phenom overclocked? If CPU-Z reads the voltage right, I would say it is. Seems like 1.5V to me.

But nontheless, SuperPi results don't mean much. As Kunaak said, game benches would be nice. Cinebench R10 is not that bad either.

I've heard two things about the voltage. One is that is stock (which I doubt!). Another is CPU-Z isn't reporting correctly (which it doesn't even report mine accurately either, it is off by .12 to .04 and bounces around for example). Which it is, I don't know.

**hipro5** · 10-30-2007, 04:50 AM

OK..........
Super-Pi means nothing.........
3DMark2001 means nothing........
3DMark2003 means nothing........
3DMark2005 means nothing........
3DMark2006 means nothing........
etc means nothing........

SO what do we have here?.....A BRAND NEW CPU for Internet downloads?.....Go and buy a Celeron with 25 Euros to do your job.......

**Sparky** · 10-30-2007, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by hipro5

OK..........
Super-Pi means nothing.........
3DMark2001 means nothing........
3DMark2003 means nothing........
3DMark2005 means nothing........
3DMark2006 means nothing........
etc means nothing........

SO what do we have here?.....A BRAND NEW CPU for Internet downloads?.....Go and buy a Celeron with 25 Euros to do your job.......

No celeron, rather a sempron - both suck but semprons suck less

**Hornet331** · 10-30-2007, 04:58 AM

celeron 4xx series sucks?
i dont think so my friend.

**~~BeardyMan~~** · 10-30-2007, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by hipro5

OK..........
Super-Pi means nothing.........
3DMark2001 means nothing........
3DMark2003 means nothing........
3DMark2005 means nothing........
3DMark2006 means nothing........
etc means nothing........

SO what do we have here?.....A BRAND NEW CPU for Internet downloads?.....Go and buy a Celeron with 25 Euros to do your job.......

Superpi means nothing yes

A P4 670 woudl trash any FX57 in superpi.
But wich one owns in 3D?

**awdrifter** · 10-30-2007, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Speederlander

They could do ok if they can price them under say under $150.

No way they would pice it that low, but if they do sell a 2+ghz quad for $150 I think I'll upgrade early.

**Hornet331** · 10-30-2007, 05:03 AM

i didnt know spi means nothing... especiel here on XTREMEsystems

**JohnMike** · 10-30-2007, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Tony

All I see nowadays is people linking super pi to how good a cpu is, fact is unless you are seriously sad you won't be playing pi every night for 4 to 6 hrs now will you

AMD are bringing "a platform" not just a cpu that does pi in 8 secs which in reality means very little. if you stand back and see the bigger picture here you will see AMD have changed strategy for a while and really are not that bothered about super pi any more...its just you guys here on XS that are!

Im looking forward to crossfire X on 790 with a Phenom with a chipset that runs really cool and does not even need a heatsink in most cases and hopfully never running superpi on the machine at all

Well i saw that big picture same time ago when a few months back AMD CEO said in an interview that AMD is not a CPU company, they are changing for a plataform of computer solutions, not just making CPUs.

The acquisition of ATI was a milestone to push them to this gold, but there are things that AMD need to polish and there PR are very poor. It feels strange to consumers living all this hype about Intel and even nVidia and no words from AMD, what they show or say is like talk about a «glass half/full of water».

So the disappointment around AMD now is very understandable.

Regards

**MikeB12** · 10-30-2007, 05:05 AM

that sounds about right...
my last pi bench on my x2 6000 daily use settings:

XP
X2 6000 3225Mhz (215x15) | 4x1gb 6400 gskill 5-5-5-15 = 806Mhz -- 26.625s

VISTA 64
X2 6000 3013mhz (200x15) | 4x1gb PC6400 Gskill 5-5-5-15 = 756mhz -- 28.782s

as already stated, super PI is not AMD's thang... but the numbers sound on par with what I got on my x2 6000 box with standard spd's...

**~~BeardyMan~~** · 10-30-2007, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hornet331

i didnt know spi means nothing... especiel here on XTREMEsystems

you are trying to get it out of the context.

In means nothing when determine the overall speed of a cpu.

Nobody said it doesn't mean nothing on xs.

**freeloader** · 10-30-2007, 05:17 AM

Questions here...

Is SuperPI optimized for SSE2, SSE3?

Is the L3 cache on the Phenom running at core speed or some north bridge divider like the Barcelona?

**Epsilon84** · 10-30-2007, 05:24 AM

So for the record, what benchmarks actually qualify as 'useful' and 'real world'?

Specfp_rate?

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