狂少's CDT-tweak

[kiwi]

OK, how do you run a proper regular copy-waza? Isn't copying from SP partition to a system partition and then back enough? I usually had the size of file maxmem+200MB (tip from japanese guys) or the amount of RAM + 200MB or so

So maybe kiwi didn't do "well" the Copy Waza!.....

Kiwi, could you try a Copy Waza of ~4GB rar file with Page file 384-384......

That is assuming maxmem=600 or not?

[Gautam]

So...can anyone match me at 400x9 2:3 or 385x8 2:3 yet with CDT?

[BeardyMan]

So...can anyone match me at 400x9 2:3 or 385x8 2:3 yet with CDT?

You could also check the tweak out yourself, instead of relying on others opinions or results.

I'm sure you have plenty of friends with C2D rigs...

[BeardyMan]

I've swapped my X2 6000+ cause it's going to be used for a WR attempt for a Sempron 2800+ 1.6ghz and a blistering 128kb L2 cache
results of the tweak speak for themself.
Both stock runs with 680 maxmem and no pagefile used stil have to figure out where i can do that?

[Gautam]

You could also check the tweak out yourself, instead of relying on others opinions or results.

I'm sure you have plenty of friends with C2D rigs...

And if I did, would my results be valid? Would they be trusted? I could skew the results how I wanted to, just like anyone else.

Two different people is the most objective way for this to work, eliminating that possibility.

[BeardyMan]

And if I did, would my results be valid? Would they be trusted? I could skew the results how I wanted to, just like anyone else.

Two different people is the most objective way for this to work, eliminating that possibility.

You have a XIP status, it means being an example in every way, i would say yes you can be trusted cause you have no other choice, like anyone else to be lgeit and to not fool yourself

[Vapor]

Troman, let's not fool around....Gautam would not be considered impartial by some here.

[BeardyMan]

Troman, let's not fool around....Gautam would not be considered impartial by some here.

Fooling around?
You are basicly repeating what i said Vapor.

edit*
ah impartial

yeah but that doesn't matter, if he really wants' to know if it works then just test it? easy no?

[Kain XS]

And if I did, would my results be valid? Would they be trusted?

You will probably receive the same atitude you give to the others.
Why doubting on what they think or not. You can just try it, the final truth is the one you know, and if youre able to reproduce the tweak or not depends on many factors on which I will not think you are cheating (if you reproduce it) or youre bad tweaker (if you cant).
People should try to give their best and believe on community.

I have always thought.... Why would you have to lie? (not exactly to you, but is a thought. I think you getit )

I think youre a reliable person, so, you try the tweak and if you cant do it, I will believe and not say anything against you.
Having neutral and un-neutral results is better to caompare than only neutral results. Finally, the more involved ones here are the non-neutral.


Greetings.

[mrlobber]

long post

Dinos, a damn long post by you, however, I think you were spot on and I couldn't agree more

[kiwi]

And if I did, would my results be valid? Would they be trusted? I could skew the results how I wanted to, just like anyone else.

Two different people is the most objective way for this to work, eliminating that possibility.

Please run something with more relaxed RAM timings. There are not many kits or people willing to push huge volts to get ddr2 600 4-4-4 We are checking tweak here, not going for records

[Gautam]

Try 385x8 2:3 then, that should be easy. I'm just pulling old screenshots out since I don't have any hardware anymore, though I'll see if I can get something together if I have to.

Here's another one, just 555MHz 4-4-4, shouldn't take very high volts at all.

[dinos22]

Dinos, take that stupid pic of me down! I don't think I coulda looked/felt any more cracked out that night while @ 2AM watching Charles and OPB chatting away on my phone for ~30minutes. Add to that the fact that not only did I just drive 45 minutes to meet up with you guys, I had gotten pulled over for speeding and given a sobriety test

FWIW, even I've run a 32m with a C2Q @ 9x400, 600mhz DDR2 4-4-4-4 with absolutely no windows tweaks whatsoever -> ~13m15s. So I have a feeling that although 12m40s is an outrageous time @ that speed, it's within the realm of possibility.....with the right tweaks of course

hey man don't forget we had a 15 hour flight all up ourselves

[saaya]

sorry for offtopic, but there were a couple of people mentioning eeprom tools to tweak memory performance.
spdtool is just as good as any hardware spd programmer to change subtimings. despite the common idea of some magic supersecret advanced subtimings, there are only around 30 timings stored in a modules spd. and thats including cas trcd trp tras trc trfc and all other well known timings, so there is very little if any room for improvement by tweaking an spd if your already tweaking the memory using the advanced settings in bios and memset. some people might ask what all those dozens of timings on dfi and other boards are, well those are chipset related timings, none of that information is stored in the memories spd.
tweaking spds mostly helps to work around compatibility problems with certain BIOSes and Mainboards.

[hipro5]

BULL SHI(f)T.....

I just have tested this "CDT Tweak" so to -firstly- be honest to myself....

Big bulls....

OK....Here you go....
FIRST

Yorkfields don't gain much with Copy Waza or anything else like Core 2 Duo...We have to find some other tweaks for that - IF any -

SECOND

"CDT Tweak" for me, it was WORSE than a good Copy Waza....

NOW

I did 3 files of 633MB (does it matter that they were 633MB and not 632MB?)
I RAR them into one file and I got ~18xxMB....
....and then....bla, bla, bla, as the "CDT tweak" and/or elmor described....

Here are the results....ALL these were done with a bit relaxed ram timings - not to push to much my rams coz I need them for my benching - ....

WITHOUT COPY WAZA...




WITH COPY WAZA ~4GB RAR FILE from D: to C: (into Super-Pi folder - C: = Super-Pi folder for me) C: to D: and D: to C: (cut - copy > see below)




WITH "CDT Tweak" ....




I believe that this "CDT Tweak" is a Copy Waza tweak but with another method....

SO NOTHING SPECIAL IN HERE....

PLEASE TEST AND BE HONEST....

Make a Maxmem within msconfig AS YOU WISH - I use a 640MB maxmem -
Make a page file at D: of 384MB - 384MB....
Go to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\PriorityControl and do the "Win32PrioritySeperation = 102 (you should put number "66" to show you "102"
Go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management and do the ClearPageFileAtShutdown = 1
DisablePagingExecutive = 1 as well
SystemPages = 0
WriteWatch = 0
NOTHING ELSE
REBOOT
When you boot into windows make a BIG RAR file (from different files) of about ~4GB at D: Partition
REBOOT

NOW

Fix you frequency and Ram Timings as you wish and OPEN Super-Pi
RUN as much times the 16K to show you the LOWEST time and STOP THERE
Then PICK the 32M and STOP THERE...
OPEN Task Manager and look at the processes
OPEN C: and Super-Pi folder
OPEN D: and the BIG RAR's folder
CUT this BIG RAR file and PASTE into C: and Super-Pi's folder
THEN CUT it from in there once again and PASTE it into D: (where it was before)
NOW CUT it once again from D: and PASTE it into C: and Super-Pi's folder

During this process, you will see in task manager ALL the services loosing their KB.....This is due to copy procedure of the big file......
YOU NEED TO SEE the Super-Pi to be LESS than 250KB so to be ready...

Close those two windows (D: and C: ) and CLOSE task manager

WAIT UNTIL the HD Led STOPS blinking (it frees memory during blinking)

HIT the START button of the Super-Pi 32....

TEST without Copy Waza
TEST WITH Copy Waza
TEST with "CDT Tweak"

AND REPORT BACK WITH HONESTY...



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[dinos22]

hipro you didn't follow his full instructions so you will need to test it again

[hipro5]

hipro you didn't follow his full instructions so you will need to test it again

You mean to make three files of 632MB instead of doing them 633MB?.....Does 1MB of each file makes THAT difference?....

[dinos22]

what about page file & maxmem

[Zeus]

hipro you didn't follow his full instructions so you will need to test it again

Elaborate please.

[hipro5]

what about page file

Page file was set at 384-384 for Copy Waza and without Copy Waza AND 512-512 for the "CDT Tweak"....
Did I do it wrong?.....

[dinos22]

sorry i didn't read it right

he sets pagefile 512-512 and 600 maxmem and was explaining reasoning behind the 600+32 files but he lost me with it all to be honest

i donno man this would be so much clearler if kev could do one of those 3oh6 type things mentioned in this thread.......it just seems there is something amiss right now

[kiwi]

OK, this time I rerun everything more carefully at day time with my eyes open

Each run was done twice (I took the best runs but times were within 1-2 seconds max)

Here are results (no records or anything, just a tweak testing). As you can see CDT=CW here. Go figure, CDT needs more explanation or more precise instructions

No CW or CDT:
13:08.375



CW, 384 pf and 4GB file:
12:59.954



CDT:
12:59.938

[saaya]

could somebody make a quick clip or screenshot guide on how to do each tweak so we can be absolutely sure there are no misunderstandings and everybody followed the same procedure and not one person sets maxmem 600 and another one 633 etc

[hipro5]

could somebody make a quick clip or screenshot guide on how to do each tweak so we can be absolutely sure there are no misunderstandings and everybody followed the same procedure and not one person sets maxmem 600 and another one 633 etc

Maxmem IS seen on the screenshot of the Super-Pi.....

So.......kiwi.......same thing, different way right?......So why someone do ALL these things that "CDT tweak" describes and not JUST do a Copy Waza and that's it?.....

[kiwi]

I don't know Who mentioned here that it is only 60% of CDT4 tweak? Need more info, need more precise instructions, reg tweaks, anything that benefits CDT (and not CW) etc...