Here's a little teaser....

[s7e9h3n]

I apologize if I missed it, because I have been trying to follow this thread as closely as I can. Have there been any results using WCG work units on either a 2P 2347 or 2350 - with or w/o oc? Even boinc benchmarks would be helpful. Just trying to get an idea for what a Phenom 4x4 rig might be able to do.

Yep, ran Bionc earlier today. While these aren't spectacular, expect the numbers to get better as support for this mobo appears...



EDIT: just noticed you're an XS cruncher....check the WCG lounge for a few more SS's

[s7e9h3n]

Use the latest Beta version of WinRAR S7e9h3n ( 3.71 Beta 1 ), it's multithreaded and the fastest out there [ most optimized for newage cpus ].

THx for the tip....Better, but still didn't load the cpu's up to 100%. Usage hovered around 60% max during the bench:

[nullface]

That was, low had expected a bit more form a 4x4
Got 1330KB/s with X2 3600+ 'Brisbane'@2835MHz - Ram 472 mhz 4-4-4-8-11 T2.

Yeah i know bad BIOS, mobo, ram and so on, but still had expected over 2000 from a 4x4

[s7e9h3n]

That was, low had expected a bit more form a 4x4
Got 1330KB/s with X2 3600+ 'Brisbane'@2835MHz - Ram 472 mhz 4-4-4-8-11 T2.

Yeah i know bad BIOS, mobo, ram and so on, but still had expected over 2000 from a 4x4

Does your cpu usage reach 100%? I have a feeling the bench is optimized for 4 or less cores.....

[xPliziT]

s7e9h3n could you please run this benchmark?

http://www.7-zip.org/

Download the beta and post some screenshots.
Since you can adjust the thread count you can see how well the system scales.
Press the stop button after the total rating appears.

Here are my results

[twilyth]

Yep, ran Bionc earlier today. While these aren't spectacular, expect the numbers to get better as support for this mobo appears...

EDIT: just noticed you're an XS cruncher....check the WCG lounge for a few more SS's

So once you can overclock, you should be getting about 1800 mflops per core at 2.2ghz? That's assuming 10% over stock - but I'm sure you'll be pushing the envelope.

I don't know if I did the math right but if an oc'ed 6600 gets a boinc benchmark of 2400 mflops and 13,000 pts per day then a 2P 2350 getting 1800 mflops should do about 20,000 pts per day ((2400 * 4)/13000 = (1800 * 8)/x). I think that sounds about right.

Will stay tuned.

[s7e9h3n]

s7e9h3n could you please run this benchmark?

[MAS]

I am not sure if it is an INT test, but the test gives a 20% difference in score on the same setup with different RAM settings, DDR2-533 CL5 5-5-18 vs DDR2-800 CL3 4-4-9. For INT Core2 is at least 25% faster clock for clock than a Venice, so this test is not a pure INT for sure.

set "bench.exe" process priority to realtime in order to get true result - some processes obviously bother the bench


as to mentioned 25 per cent this is wrong
Conroe has only ~ 10 per cent advantage over K8 in INT instructions and up to 100 per cent in SSE instructions - in sum that gives Conroe AVERAGE advantage of 20 per cent over K8 - it's a well-known fact

Andrew

[JVguest]

Dunno if this is correct, but here's Winrar: (note this bench is single threaded)



and here's that Realstorm bench - which, btw, isn't correctly identifying my hardware....

The winRAR result is pretty good, and the realstorm result is bad - 1.87 GHz Conroe 2M: 6.88 fps, 3.01 GHz 10.9 fps. The matrix multiply results are really good and the 2 loads/cycle is fantastic, but something just isn't adding up. WinRAR performance would be severely affected by registered 667 Mhz single channel RAM.

[s7e9h3n]

The winRAR result is pretty good, and the realstorm result is bad - 1.87 GHz Conroe 2M: 6.88 fps, 3.01 GHz 10.9 fps. The matrix multiply results are really good and the 2 loads/cycle is fantastic, but something just isn't adding up. WinRAR performance would be severely affected by registered 667 Mhz single channel RAM.

Could it be the fact that realstorm detects 0mb of system memory and doesn't recognize any l3 cache on the cpu?

Edit: The SS doesn't show the L3 info, but trust me on this

[Start]

Awesome job s7e9h3n. I would appreciate it if you can make a run with the Folding@Home SMP client below. If you get around to benchmarking it, be sure to post the Project #. Just let it run for 2% and we should be good.

Thanks

Folding @ home, SMP client: http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html

During install you'll need to be logged in as administrator and need to have a password. The install.bat file will request username and password, I think it needs to be the windows user/pass. You'll need a working internet connection to run F@H. A frame should finish in less than 25 minutes.

[s7e9h3n]

Awesome job s7e9h3n. I would appreciate it if you can make a run with the Folding@Home SMP client below. If you get around to benchmarking it, be sure to post the Project #.

Thanks

Oh yeah...I actually had installed it, but never got around to running the bench since it required my login info for windows. I have that feature disabled on my OS, so I have to setup a new user account and password before I can get it to run.....I'll get it done....

[Start]

Oh yeah...I actually had installed it, but never got around to running the bench since it required my login info for windows. I have that feature disabled on my OS, so I have to setup a new user account and password before I can get it to run.....I'll get it done....

Awesome! But just to warn you, if you didn't install the client recently, you are going to have to get the new copy. The beta for the last one expired Oct 1.

[s7e9h3n]

Awesome! But just to warn you, if you didn't install the client recently, you are going to have to get the new copy. The beta for the last one expired Oct 1.

no worries as I ended up uninstalling the old one anyway as it kept running in the background. I must have installed @ least 20-30 progs in the last 24 hours so I can run these benches for u guys...hopefully, they'll all be just as easy to uninstall

[JohannesRS]

s7, so, from your understanding:

BA are almost the same as B1?

and,

Still the same bios problems with ccNUMA and Dual-Channel?

Also, for curiosity: still nothing from the L1N front, correct?

Thanks a lot for all new info!

[Slay0r]

Its gotta be a piss take to have the hardware but no bios option to overclock

how hot are these quads at load at their default voltage ?

thanks in advance

[s7e9h3n]

s7, so, from your understanding:

BA are almost the same as B1?

and,

Still the same bios problems with ccNUMA and Dual-Channel?

Also, for curiosity: still nothing from the L1N front, correct?

Thanks a lot for all new info!

Yep, pretty much so...I'd think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find some benchmarks which exploit the differences between the two. I don't doubt that there were changes made to the cpu between the steppings, but the problems which were fixed probably were rather insignificant in terms of most applications. Come to think of it, I recall a few times where I've had early stepping AMD's which never made it to production and they performed just as well/if not better than their retail counterparts (at least in the realm of the benchmarks which i ran).
Yep, still getting no support from AMD or Tyan. I really wish they would get on the ball as this board is being wasted in its crippled state....

[JVguest]

Could it be the fact that realstorm detects 0mb of system memory and doesn't recognize any l3 cache on the cpu?

Edit: The SS doesn't show the L3 info, but trust me on this

Also, Realstorm failed to detect SSE2 and SSE3.

[s7e9h3n]

Its gotta be a piss take to have the hardware but no bios option to overclock

how hot are these quads at load at their default voltage ?

thanks in advance

~30C after 5hours @ 100% load

[JohannesRS]

Thanks for the information, s7. Really a shame these problems with ccNUMA and Dual-Channel

~30C after 5hours @ 100% load

What's your ambient temperature??? And processor clock??

@Dave: Dave, could get something running in any mobo that included all HT links and the energy split?

Thanks a lot you both! Your information is absolutelly "unique" for all us!

[KTE]

THx for the tip....Better, but still didn't load the cpu's up to 100%. Usage hovered around 60% max during the bench:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2105/winrar2qz9.jpg

Dave got 1573KB/s with the 2347s back on page 7 for me.

[PhilDoc]

Dave got 1573KB/s with the 2347s back on page 7 for me.

winrar should be good on these chips. Irrc, Anand's review showed the 2350 to be equivalent to a Xeon at 2.7G. It was the Barcelona's best showing.

[STEvil]

Hey Stephen, can you run kribibench? Here's from my T7400ES laptop with 2gb ram @ 533mhz 4-4-4-12. Will toss up a woodcrest score in a bit.

Kribibench: http://www.adeptdevelopment.com/

edit

Woodcrest 5120's @ 2709mhz with 4x1GB FB-DIMM's @ 386mhz 5-5-5-15, i5000x chipset snoopfilter enabled. (@2.33ghz scores were 2.88fps using a remote viewing application to bench)

[Calmatory]

What about some S&M running? It should rape those poor opterons to their max.

(Not a bench, more like a CPU toaster)

http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/fclick/fclick.php?fid=301

[zpdixon]

s7e9h3n, since you don't appear to be a Linux guy, what about installing OpenSSL for Windows (light version: only 1 MB) ? Get it from [1]. Then assuming you install it in the default location (C:\OpenSSL), open a command prompt and run this (if you get an error "MSVCR71.DLL could not be found", install Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 [2] and copy C:\winnt\microsoft.net\framework\v1.1.4322\msvcr71 .dll to C:\openssl\bin\):

C:\> cd openssl\bin
C:\> openssl speed

"openssl speed" should take about 10 min to complete (single threaded by default, the Linux version can be run in multi-threaded mode), it benchmarks:

md2, md4, md5, hmac(md5), sha1, sha256, sha512, rmd160, rc4, des, triple des, aes-128, aes-192, aes-256, idea, rc2, blowfish, cast, 512-bit rsa, 1024-bit rsa, 2048-bit rsa, 4096-bit rsa, 512-bit dsa, 1024-bit dsa, 2048-bit dsa.

All these algorithms are 100% ALU code (except on Linux, where sha512 uses SSE2), some are coded in C, others are in assembly. They all scale pretty much linearly with the clock frequency. They should all easily fit in the Barcelona L2 cache so they should not be influenced by the memory subsystem at all. The only downside of the Windows version is that it is compiled as a 32-bit executable. Some algorithms would see a significant gain by running in 64-bit mode: RSA and DSA would be about 3 times faster, RC4 30% faster, MD5 15% faster, etc. Anyway see below for a table of results I obtain on a old Pentium M 1.2 GHz: the fastest hash algorithm is MD4 (240 MB/s) and the fastest symmetric cryptographic algorithm is RC4 (173 MB/s).

Others should run this benchmark on Intel Core-based CPUs so we can compare against Barcelona...

[1] http://www.slproweb.com/download/Win...ght-0_9_8e.exe
[2] http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...7-034D1E7CF3A3

--- openssl speed results for Pentium M 1.2 GHz on 32-bit Windows  ---
OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
built on: Wed Feb 28 01:35:20 2007
options:bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(idx,cisc,4,long) aes(partial) idea(int) blowfish(idx)
compiler: cl  /MD /Ox /O2 /Ob2 /W3 /WX /Gs0 /GF /Gy /nologo -DOPENSSL_SYSNAME_WIN32 -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DL_ENDIAN -DDSO_WIN32 -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE -D_CRT_NONSTDC_NO_DEPRECATE -DBN_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DSHA1_ASM -DRMD160_ASM -DOPENSSL_USE_APPLINK -I. /Fdout32dll -DOPENSSL_NO_CAMELLIA -DOPENSSL_NO_RC5 -DOPENSSL_NO_MDC2 -DOPENSSL_NO_KRB5 -DOPENSSL_NO_DYNAMIC_ENGINE
available timing options: TIMEB HZ=1000
timing function used: ftime
The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.
type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytes
md2                858.35k     1797.09k     2502.85k     2744.40k     2863.25k
mdc2                 0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00
md4               9161.87k    31980.97k    92768.68k   175310.51k   240031.58k
md5               8152.99k    28237.34k    79240.60k   145100.25k   190056.26k
hmac(md5)        10780.19k    35380.04k    91967.75k   145100.25k   190056.26k
sha1              7774.79k    24811.94k    60322.57k    94813.31k   113321.28k
rmd160            6563.34k    19407.97k    42649.42k    61353.87k    70065.63k
rc4             139810.13k   164676.25k   171511.10k   173175.23k   172640.63k
des cbc          24185.12k    24973.53k    25206.15k    25934.79k    25747.72k
des ede3          9060.93k     9176.90k     9272.75k     9249.70k     9224.45k
idea cbc         17098.67k    18045.84k    18291.77k    18448.67k    18418.29k
rc2 cbc           8794.01k     9978.72k    10044.43k    10053.46k    10053.46k
rc5-32/12 cbc        0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00
blowfish cbc     40223.49k    42441.73k    43118.01k    43656.56k    43464.29k
cast cbc         38347.92k    40672.04k    41455.93k    41620.48k    41775.94k
aes-128 cbc      35091.44k    36897.33k    36033.54k    37282.70k    37282.70k
aes-192 cbc      31034.44k    31956.60k    32634.15k    32640.50k    32634.15k
aes-256 cbc      27535.23k    28787.26k    28941.20k    28941.20k    29021.30k
camellia-128 cbc        0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00
camellia-192 cbc        0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00
camellia-256 cbc        0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00         0.00
sha256            5540.33k    13459.46k    24542.45k    31236.67k    33872.84k
sha512            1843.35k     7146.39k    11545.61k    16405.63k    18504.62k
                  sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
rsa  512 bits 0.001189s 0.000100s    840.7   9986.3
rsa 1024 bits 0.005844s 0.000300s    171.1   3329.8
rsa 2048 bits 0.035111s 0.001049s     28.5    953.4
rsa 4096 bits 0.234300s 0.003362s      4.3    297.5
                  sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
dsa  512 bits 0.000940s 0.001159s   1063.5    862.5
dsa 1024 bits 0.002772s 0.003363s    360.7    297.3
dsa 2048 bits 0.009327s 0.010798s    107.2     92.6
--- end ---

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