Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
I would love to see a quote of any somewhat knowledgeable person who was being serious about an increase greater than ~40-70% over C2Q.
I'm guessing some noob in the 30k 3dMark06 K10 thread said the 170%.

I was expecting about equal to C2Q, hoping for a 10-20% advantage but we still have yet to see Phenom on an AM2+ board. Still won't push Phenom way ahead of C2Q but probably equal, possibly slightly ahead.

I'm still holding out to see how Phenom OCs and if Penryn is worth it over a Q6600.
I agree. I believe AMD's executives specifically said Barcelona would be 40% faster than the Xeon 51xx Clovertowns, and I've yet to see a 40% gain in performance over a clovertown in a benchmark, though, there haven't been many reviews or benchmarks run on their chips.

But, do keep in mind, there has to be a substantial overall performance gain over C2D for AMD to continue being competitive. It's much like the 8800 series vs HD 2900XTs. Yeah, the HD2900XT is a pretty good graphics card, but becuase it wasn't that much better than the 8800GTS//GTX//Ultras, their sales still suffered. If Phenom isn't going to be spectacular in comparison to a Q6600//QX6700//QX6800//QX6850, I really don't see any point in buying an AMD system. Price would be the final determining point; and seeing how AMD's in financial troubles and the whole "monolithic core" thing going on, I don't see how AMD can afford to play another price war unless they manage to live for another 2 years and hope to win that lawsuit against intel