TechReport on Barcelona

[gallag]

Nobody said a stock barcelona or 2.5ghz clocked would do that.

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

Are you for real?

[CraptacularOne]

Nobody said a stock barcelona or 2.5ghz clocked would do that.

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

Are you high? They already said it's not going to overtake Intel in a performance war. And my response was to his remark about how it's going to respond to overclocking, meaning that the 30k 06 benchmark from INQ was BS.....Wake up buddy, do you hear that knocking? It's called the hard truth. AMD is not going to get the performance crown back with K-10. Sad really as I was hoping it would, as that would spark a huge price war and we all would be winners.

[Hornet331]

i woudnt agree with that.. simply because we havent seen the performance yet of k10 with a *proper* chipset and real ram.

you call a Broadcom BCM5780 a improper chipset?

Well if nvidia also fails, what else can you use.. there arent many alternatives of chipsets that support amd cpus.

[BeardyMan]

Are you for real?

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

[Jacky]

i woudnt agree with that.. simply because we havent seen the performance yet of k10 with a *proper* chipset and real ram.

stop right there. they hype is over. if there is nothing dreadfully wrong/crippled like disabled cores/cache NOTHING MUCH will change. just look at the super duper miracle x38 chipset from Intel. 1-5% improvement, but it uses a lot more power and is really expensive. It's just a chipset after all! (not to upset any intel funs: but it will be a hell of a great platform for Intel's penryn, 4ghz penryn with 2ghz ddr3 anyone? it is already set in stone that this setup will own phenom, if anandtech didn't lie to us...)

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

We can't because it simply ain't true. k10 is a very specialised/unbalanced arch and thus it's slower/much faster then core 2 in different applications. on the serverside it is much better than xeon at its CURRENT price point... but on the desktop it is MUCH WORSE than the currently available Intel offerings. However phenom will improve on that so it won't be *that bad* with a 2,6ghz phenom anymore.
Anyway I agree: overall the K10 is a superior arch than c2d, at least for server workloads. if it only scaled as well and was able to compete with penryn in future. well let's see how things turn out...

[naokaji]

you call a Broadcom BCM5780 a improper chipset?

Well if nvidia also fails, what else can you use.. there arent many alternatives of chipsets that support amd cpus.

well.. they are bascially "patched" k8 chipsets... i'd wait for chipsets specifically made for k10...

[Nasgul]

let's see what you're favorite vendor will bring after this 45nm die shrink. Barcelona has a lot of room to improve. clock/cache/memory/shrink/split powerplain not to forget the HTT3 that is very interesting on a +2 socket system.

Obviously you've never heard of the next move, the 32nm which will bring a new architecture. to yersterday.

stay happy and post only on the INTEL fanboy subforum.

Shouldn't you be doing the same and post only in the amd forum only then?

[BeardyMan]

Obviously you've never heard of the next move, the 32nm which will bring a new architecture. to yersterday.



Shouldn't you be doing the same and post only in the amd forum only then?

ah yes, and it's planned for 2007 right

lol

[Zytek_Fan]

I guess I'm going to have to go Intel with my next build /

[BeardyMan]

I guess I'm going to have to go Intel with my next build /

you seem to forget that this is server performance with low clocked ships...

desktop is a totally other cat to handle

[CraptacularOne]

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

Time to get your eyes checked then buddy.

I think it's more of a harsh truth for the AMD die-hards that they aren't getting back on top.

[Shintai]

well.. they are bascially "patched" k8 chipsets... i'd wait for chipsets specifically made for k10...

Chipsets for AMD means even less than chipsets for Intel. Intel can atleast improve the memory controller. With AMD the only thing you really got is PCIe/PCI and disk I/O. No chipset will make it any faster than it is today.

[xVeinx]

Chipsets for AMD means even less than chipsets for Intel. Intel can atleast improve the memory controller. With AMD the only thing you really got is PCIe/PCI and disk I/O. No chipset will make it any faster than it is today.

True. The biggest performance boost will be for from different memory, which is pretty important for AMD as AM2 showed us. This won't close the gap necessarily, but we shouldn't forget about it either.

[gallag]

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

BS, how has AMD regained the performance crown? You are a joke

[BeardyMan]

BS, how has AMD regained the performance crown? You are a joke

notice the --> <----

[[XC] gomeler]

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

Ahahahahaha! This is absolutely hilarious that you can believe such things. You really need to open your eyes and clear your head of all the propaganda that's been thrown onto the web with this product launch. K10 looks to be another R600, took forever to develop, didn't live up to the hype, and disappointed the entire enthusiast market.
edit: as much as you'd like to say it, the enthusiast market drives the server market.. I'm an overclocker and I'm responsible for major upgrades within my department and I'm not the only one..

[gallag]

notice the --> <----

sorry man, that many nutters about here its hard to separate comedy from stupidity lol

[BeardyMan]

Ahahahahaha! This is absolutely hilarious that you can believe such things. You really need to open your eyes and clear your head of all the propaganda that's been thrown onto the web with this product launch. K10 looks to be another R600, took forever to develop, didn't live up to the hype, and disappointed the entire enthusiast market.

R600 is fitting the overclockers needs however...
it destroys nvidia in latest benches.

Btw read the post above ya

[savantu]

you seem to forget that this is server performance with low clocked ships...

desktop is a totally other cat to handle

Aha , so "desktop performance with low clocked chips" somehow be different ? ...

Servers are AMD's best market ; on desktops it will fare worse.You've seen only the tip of the iceberg ...

[savantu]

I dont care what an Intel favored test shows. No virtualization at all... Wheres the benches showing the FP power of the chip?

It is an early release, lets see the chip in Q4 on a newer platform and we dont even know how it reacts to overclocking yet.

Mind tell us which are those Intel favored tests ? The ones Intel wins ?
Shouldn't the same be said about tests were K10 wins?

Nice double standard.

Btw , Techreport shows a pure FP test : http://techreport.com/articles.x/13176/9

[DeepThought86]

Sept 10 has finally rolled round, K10 benchmarks are out but it seems it's only fuelled the flamewars even more! I guess since the data doesn't show a comprehensive defeat or victory it's endlessly debatable.

In the posts/MHz ranking Barcelona looks like it's tops though heh heh

[Ubermann]

So far i read:
If you want the fastest buy Intel.

[cky2k6]

k10's performance, if anything, is a testament to core 2's awesomeness. k10 is not a failure, far from it, and together with r600 will give them a chance to at least break even, but core 2 is an amazing chip. maybe shanghai will improve some k10 weakpoints, but looks like intel is gonna be the choice for xs...

[Nedjo]

I don't understand why people mixing Server and desktop CPU's.

For one people who're buying servers are buying them for exact purpose. With that in mind, K10 demolishes Intel in some erias, especialy if you consider price of they momentarly fastest chip - 2(8)350.

On some other fields, it looses. So, people who're buying servers will choos platform depending on their needs.

One thing is certain: no one will overclock these CPU's! With that in mind, it's pointless to draw conclusions about desktop part - Phenom from these benches. Phenom will work with much faster memory (1066 vs. 667 MHz, and will work on higher frequencies).

Also, saying that K10 flops on a base of very small nubmer of server benchmarks is skewing the bigger picture.

We still need to see Virtualization benchmarks, and I'm certain that with further improvements on software side, we'll se much clearer of what Barcelona is capable.

Very importan thing is that AMD priced Barcelona very realisticaly, so we can expect same thing for desktop part, and at the end that's all that meters.

Now, some benchmarks:











bare in mind that this is B1 revision, and Phenom will be B2

[Hornet331]

so you say server customers get reduced performace parts and desktop get the fully fledged barcelona cores... kida ripoff ist it.

or

amds marketing department is just full of monkeys and they send out b1s for testing and then want to sell better performing parts with bad press ?