AMD Prices "Barcelona"

[Proesterchen]

I guess so much for the 'higher launch speeds' hypothesis. With this launch line-up, I'd be surprised if we see much beyond SPECfp_rate2006 and whatever other bandwidth-intensive benchmarks AMD can scramble.

[XSAlliN]

120W - that's not acceptable because of Global Warming

[nn_step]

120W - that's not acceptable because of Global Warming

Then you better stop overclocking your Conroe

[Shintai]

For those comparing prices..please..try compare a 3.2Ghz Dualcore OPteron with a 3Ghz Quad Xeon..yes thats right. You cant compare these prices at all!

[naokaji]

I guess so much for the 'higher launch speeds' hypothesis.

well... those are the server parts...

the "official" desktop parts are not due before q4.... so it could be (and would make sense) if the higher clock speeds talk was in reference to those and not the in a few days to be launched server parts.

just my 2 cents though

[mstp2009]

if yields are not good chips will need much more voltage to stay stable, and will displace more heat

amd has a lot of orders from clients who want to upgrade their blade servers from dual to quad core, and they demand lower TDP chips, that chips are old, probably B1 or even older

back then yields ware not very good, thats why amd concetrated on lower slock speed and TDP parts, but the rummors now indicate current yields are pretty good, even amd said they expect a very quick K10 ramp up

I hope high clock desktop parts come sooner than amd previously said, the initial 2Ghz chips will give us good indication of performance per clock, and what a 3Ghz chip will bring

WHAT rumors indicate current yields are good?

There has been nothing official or unofficial that we have heard from AMD that yields are good. Even AMD fanboi Charlie came out saying he heard yields are NOT good thusfar and it is one of the reasons the release speeds are not set higher.


BTW, AMD always undercuts Intel on price at the exact same performance level - so I think this price sheet is the best indication of performance for K10 that we have thus far.

Basically on par w/ C2Q.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Why are people still bleeting about clockspeeds? Is this connected to E-PENIS or sumthing? Intel's clock to 4Ghz so even if K10 were to have double the performance of said Intel cpu but at a mere 2Ghz you'd be sad and feel annoyed at the fact your CPU doesn't do 4Ghz too?

I couldn't care less about what GHZ BADGE I get on my new AMD cpu....for me the important part is whether or not K10 has higher PERFORMANCE than INTELS counterpart......not higher CLOCKSPEED

[Jacky]

yeah, but it's sad that almost every detail (coolaler, dailytech info, pricing) leaked until now indicates otherwise (k10 losing in overall performance big time).

5 more days to go..

[Proesterchen]

the "official" desktop parts are not due before q4.... so it could be (and would make sense) if the higher clock speeds talk was in reference to those and not the in a few days to be launched server parts.

I was referring to this, which was clearly referencing next week's Barcelona launch:

http://www.dailytech.com/Barcelona+L...rticle8592.htm

[XSAlliN]

Then you better stop overclocking your Conroe

I don't have Conroe (AMD user here), but this CPU is intended for near future.

[Morais]

68W for a quad core?! thats awesome...my next buy for sure

[informal]

What about the leaving of Henri Richard. Does that speaks enough about the success of K10?

Lol,that's has zero to do with K10.Like Rahul Sood said,the dude didn't get pay the way he thought he should so he went for a better deal(Freescale).

What about the one of head PRs in intel ,Lee Brooke,who left intel a month ago and went overboard to AMD??What that tells you about intel's Harpertowns?Nothing.This is pure money issue.

[EvlUndrWareNome]

ok fanboys, hold in ignorant commments till reliable hardware ships.

as in when its on newegg.

[dave_graham]

man, people really seem to like my blog posts. :P

cheers,

dave

[[XC] gomeler]

Guys, this if for the server chips, so you compare it to Clovertown, not Kentsfield.

I'd rather compare the DP Phenom's to the Kentsfield as Phenom isn't looking promising at all. 6 days before launch and no killer benchies doesn't bode well

[dave_graham]

I'd rather compare the DP Phenom's to the Kentsfield as Phenom isn't looking promising at all. 6 days before launch and no killer benchies doesn't bode well

whatever...no one is positioning Barcelona into the consumer space at all. So, why AMD should bother with 1-2% of their install base is really beyond me. *shrug* The folks that really are going to care about this stuff are (in no particular order):
sun
hp
dell
other whitebox manufacturers
boxx

dave

[informal]

Who is Lee Brooke?

As you can see,you are clueless.OK now,move along to topic title.No need to bring off topic into this.

As Dave explained,the main customers for these parts are not enthusiasts but large companies like SUN and HP,dell etc.

[v0dka]

whatever...no one is positioning Barcelona into the consumer space at all. So, why AMD should bother with 1-2% of their install base is really beyond me. *shrug* The folks that really are going to care about this stuff are (in no particular order):
sun
hp
dell
other whitebox manufacturers
boxx

dave

I see what you mean, and ofcourse youre mostly right.

But I do believe that Conroes huge succes was at least partly because of the fantastic marketing campaign that Intel launched very early on. And that campaign included spectacular benchmarks, the ES were even better than retail CPU's! Now maybe that is a bit too much to ask, but AMD should learn from that.

Also, I dont really believe that it's only 1-2% that actually knows what the better CPU is. In this time and age, almost everyone checks the internet to see what the best stuff to get is. Reviewers, resellers, webshops, everyone contributes to the general idea of what the best CPU or system is. That increases the amount that cares way beyond 1-2%, I think.

[Pete]

Lol,that's has zero to do with K10.Like Rahul Sood said,the dude didn't get pay the way he thought he should so he went for a better deal(Freescale).

What about the one of head PRs in intel ,Lee Brooke,who left intel a month ago and went overboard to AMD??What that tells you about intel's Harpertowns?Nothing.This is pure money issue.

Pretty sure Intel and AMD have a contract for staff stating they are not allowed to work for ether or soemthing for so long long of a duration of leaving ether parties

[terrace215]

Why are people still bleeting about clockspeeds? Is this connected to E-PENIS or sumthing? Intel's clock to 4Ghz so even if K10 were to have double the performance of said Intel cpu but at a mere 2Ghz you'd be sad and feel annoyed at the fact your CPU doesn't do 4Ghz too?

I couldn't care less about what GHZ BADGE I get on my new AMD cpu....for me the important part is whether or not K10 has higher PERFORMANCE than INTELS counterpart......not higher CLOCKSPEED

Given that we KNOW the IPC of the K10 is roughly that of 65nm Conroe family, GHZ corresponds DIRECTLY to performance.

[Start]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I remember hearing a while back that Intel rates its processor TDP differently than AMD. Intel supposedly goes based on average TDP, while AMD goes with max TDP. This could explain why AMD may have a higher TDP than Intel.

[Brother Esau]

68W for a quad core?! thats awesome...my next buy for sure

I was thinking 2 of the 68W chips in Dual Socket F

[v0dka]

Given that we KNOW the IPC of the K10 is roughly that of 65nm Conroe family, GHZ corresponds DIRECTLY to performance.

Well well, please enlighten us. Where can we find all these benchmarks?

You KNOW nothing about IPC. If only because IPC is variable for different categories of applications.

[Jacky]

he's speaking about the coolaler results, which prolly *were valid* at a certain time, but retail barc will be higher, with a more mature platform/stepping - but by how much we don't know (that's the point of all the speculation).

[dave_graham]

I was thinking 2 of the 68W chips in Dual Socket F

i've got two of them.

gotta love it

dave