Hey you won't believe my luck, I've found a working board with the karajan and other bits missing, got it for peanuts, so I'm up and going again.
The guy who had it claimed it was dead and useless, I thought what have I got to lose so bought it, all I had to do was the STD DFI CMOS clear which us regular users get used to, he's happy getting some cash and I'm happy again, I just love these DFI's it's the first one out of many that I've ever had a problem with yet I've had 3 Asus die 2 DOA and one just like this DFI.

Anyway thanks for the help, I'm a VERY happy bunny. :-))))))))))))