TJ07 + PA120.3 + PA120.2 = Photos of my version of this.

[disruptfam]

hey,

I wanted to do the same setup as you.That Tj-07 looks awesome.I'll be doing dual loops though.triple>cpu>nb>res>pump and dual>gpu>res>pump.

I'm going to have my all fans to suck one way so the waste heat travels outside the case.Although obviously one of the rads will be getting the other's heat.Is there enough space to fit a triple rad,dual rad and 2 laing d5's down there with a thermaltake 850w psu?

cheers

anyone else have dual rads at the bottom of there tj07 please post i could use the pointers

[Pete]

I wander what if you where to do some uber modding on the fan and rad.

Have 1 set of 120mm go one way and the next the other

< - 120.2
< - 120.2
> - 120.3

Will have to duct them between each other but it would even the heating up a bit

The 120.3 will take more heatload fine where as the 120.2 you want to keep cool as possible

You could mount a 120.2 or 120.1 in the top, or in the drive bays!

I would get one of these cases if they where cheaper

[echn111]

Very nice setup. This is more of a general question for owners of TJ07 and 2 rads in the lower compartment, but in terms of fan combinations, I'm wondering which is better.

Option1: This is the way it's currently configured. The PA120.2 gets slightly less fresh air.
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 ->f
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 ->f
f-> PA120.3 PSU <-

Option2: This could help cool the upper compartment more. Another advantage is that both the PA120.3 and PA120.2 get fresh air. But wondering if the fans lessen the efficiency of each other and whether the turbulance makes noise.
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 <-f
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 <-f
f-> PA120.3 PSU <-

Option3: Negative pressure case. Advantage is the fan noise will be slightly lower as it's muffled. It pulls air from the upper compartment so helps airflow. Disadvantage is that the air isn't as cool as options 1 and 2.
PA120.3<-f f->PA120.2
PA120.3<-f f->PA120.2
PA120.3<-f PSU <-

[AndyM]

I was thinking of changing around the fans, but after today I think that in one side and out the other is best...keeps the heat out, and does it put out heat! Example...today I left the windows open thinking it would be 80F tops outside while away at work...didnt happen. Upon arrival home I found room ambient temp at 86F according to the Honeywell digital thermometer on the wall. The machine was still happily chugging away doing a 14 hour total Orthos run at 3.75 GHz @ 1.49 vcore loaded, cpu temps read by TAT in the mid 60's. I'd say crossflow is pretty good. Then you can have the top fans blowing down with 'cool' outside air cooling the memory and board as a bonus. I cannot imagine the heat that I felt coming out the side of the case being ducted into the case to provide cool air for both rads, seems it would be counter-productive.

And why was I doing a long hot Orthos run? To make sure I didnt break too much changing my loop some...EK Mosfet blocks added... (photo while still in leak testing so wires disconnected )

[AndyM]

Option1: This is the way it's currently configured. The PA120.2 gets slightly less fresh air.
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 ->f
f-> PA120.3 PA120.2 ->f
f-> PA120.3 PSU <-
-

Actually all the intake is on the PSU side...this way around ~1/3 of the 120.3 is getting air that didnt formerly pass through the 120.2. I'm also suspecting that some of the 120.3 is pulling air from the upper chamber as well, but havent done any 'smoke testing' to verify this as of yet.

[echn111]

Actually all the intake is on the PSU side...this way around ~1/3 of the 120.3 is getting air that didnt formerly pass through the 120.2. I'm also suspecting that some of the 120.3 is pulling air from the upper chamber as well, but havent done any 'smoke testing' to verify this as of yet.

Thanks for that. So the one side to another option is probably better than the second option with opposing fans. Although not sure that having the intake on the PSU side is better as the PSU is a self-contained system and doesn't contribute to either of the rads. This means that 1/3 of this side doesn't contribute fresh air to the system.

I'm either going with the one side to another or the negative pressure one option (i.e. all the lower fans exhaust air). Will probably have to experiment a bit.

[c.freak]

That might be one of those xtreme cool builds you see ones and awhile around here. Awesome job done on that TJ07. The wiring is all over my potential but you give some good tips though. Actually i've been wondering what kind of case people are using when they mount there radiator(s) in the lower regions.
I got 2 triple's and i really hate having one in the top and the other one in the bottom.

[nealh]

That might be one of those xtreme cool builds you see ones and awhile around here. Awesome job done on that TJ07. The wiring is all over my potential but you give some good tips though. Actually i've been wondering what kind of case people are using when they mount there radiator(s) in the lower regions.
I got 2 triple's and i really hate having one in the top and the other one in the bottom.

Mountain Mod cases..I think it is a Horizon?

[~aoe~]

That is just awesome . I wish I had your talent.

I recently installed my main system in a TJ07 and love the case. However, I've just embarked on my 1st water-cooling project, and I didn't even consider trying to install it in this case. Saying that, I haven't progressed onto modding yet, although I am sorely tempted after seeing both this thread and the CM Stacker thread (STC-T01 was my previous case, which I still own).

I decided to have a go at water-cooling because I was bored, and now I have this urge to have a go at modding my cases.

I don't know whether to thank you or curse you

Well, at least I now have a spare case to play with and some great ideas to work with.

[Bun-Bun]

I think you just sold me on that case and inspired me to build a watercooled server...

Nice job man.

[MaxxxRacer]

The fans on the 120.2 need to go blow the other direction. The way it is currently setup, the 120.2 feeds the 120.3 its warm exhaust air.

[AndyM]

The fans on the 120.2 need to go blow the other direction. The way it is currently setup, the 120.2 feeds the 120.3 its warm exhaust air.

Yes, it does

The question is, have cool outside air going through one side and out the other, or have possibly warmed by MB/memory/etc air from inside the case going though both. I need to buy a small thermometer and see what the case temp is inside...on the list of stuff to do.

[sssf]

very nice job!

I hope you can find a solution to encounter dust, otherwise it will be a pain in the ass to remove it

[Angry Beaver]

I plan to do almost exactly the same thing so if you could figure out wheter its better to push air into the case from both rads or push it out that would be much appricated (sp?).

[pie_uk]

nice case, i have it to, have done for around 5 months, bought the sugo sg-01 so now selling th TJ07 to a mate

lovely case but its moosive

ps i would use 3/8 tubing, it will look much cleaner, especially if you want to cool the mosfets etc

[Borgod]

Nice case mate.

With the 2 rads down the bottom, do you think it would be possible to squeeze in a small Swiftech 120mm rad at the front of the bottom compartment? Could you shift the PA120.3 towards the back a little, have the PA120.2 right up against the PSU and have enough room for a small at the front?

Cheers

[LynkDead]

I don't see any mention of fitting the PSU down there. How tricky was it? Is there ANY possible room for a slightly bigger one?

[AndyM]

Thanks guys!

Nice case mate.

With the 2 rads down the bottom, do you think it would be possible to squeeze in a small Swiftech 120mm rad at the front of the bottom compartment? Could you shift the PA120.3 towards the back a little, have the PA120.2 right up against the PSU and have enough room for a small at the front?

Cheers

The 120.3 is wedged in there pretty good. I think you could fit maybe a BIP or MCR in there, but there probably wouldnt be room for a fan...also, where would the air come from? As it is now, the 120.3 was located where it was so that the fans would fit square in the vent. The pump happened to squeeze in there where it is with maybe 0.01mm clearance. Moving the pump upstairs allows more options of course.

I don't see any mention of fitting the PSU down there. How tricky was it? Is there ANY possible room for a slightly bigger one?

Pretty easy, the hardest part was deciding where to put the 120.2 keeping in mind barb location on both rads and fitting the 90 degree elbows + tube routing. I'm sure you could move the mess further forward a bit for a longer PSU, it all depends where you want to put the pump to change tubing options around for clearance. FWIW, the HX620 doesnt spool up at all with the stuff in my sig, nice and quiet with zero power issues.

[AndyM]

I thought I would throw up a quick photo of what I feel is one of the most useful mods you can do to this case when watercooling it...



I put some 'modder's mesh' perforated metal sheet in place of the stock vents. This stuff, the hexagonal shaped mesh with 79% open area flows much much better than stock. Stock is roughly ~45% or so open area. Very big, very noticable difference in air flow. Also available at McMaster, but as one piece from Mnpctech does both vents on a TJ07, seems to be more economical to buy it from there.

[jayhall0315]

Hey Andy,
I was away on a trip for a few days and just found your post. Damn man, now I see why you were asking me about 90 degree elbows close to the pump. You have a damn fine build there. I really like how the cables tuck around behind the motherboard.
I may tackle this in a future thread, but I just do not feel that any company is putting out a premium case right now that targets the high end watercooling crowd (sorry, even the nice TJ07 doesn't fit the bill in my mind - too cramped). The closest in my mind are the UFO, Lian Li PC 75b, Lian Li PC G70 and the old huge Chenming 901 cases. Even these cases do not really have room for more than one PA 120.3 rad and one pump. Yes, you can jimmy rig them to install more stuff, but I mean with style and room.
Whatta ya think? Getting two rads in the bottom looks like a damn tight fit to me.

Jay

Motto for the day: Science, It just works biitches !

[Borgod]

Cheers AndyM,

I'll have a closer look when I receive my TJ07 next week.

Good question about the airflow for such a rad. It will be used for cooling the mosfet, NB & SB blocks so I'm not after near-ambent temps by any means, however with next to no airflow it may defeat the purpose of watercooling at all. I may have to use my PA120.2 for these blocks, and mount a second PA120.3 outside of the case to cool my QX6700 and SLI 8800GTX's.

I'm up for a challenge

[AndyM]

Cheers AndyM,

I'll have a closer look when I receive my TJ07 next week.

Good question about the airflow for such a rad. It will be used for cooling the mosfet, NB & SB blocks so I'm not after near-ambent temps by any means, however with next to no airflow it may defeat the purpose of watercooling at all. I may have to use my PA120.2 for these blocks, and mount a second PA120.3 outside of the case to cool my QX6700 and SLI 8800GTX's.

I'm up for a challenge

Yeah, you'll have one heck of a heat load there for sure. One thing that is possible you could do for a small seperate loop for mosfets/nb/sb is something like this: If you check the photo of my HDD cage in my case, a single BIP or one of the MCR's can be installed over the fan for the hard drives. Then one of the 9 watt DDC's with 3/8" barbs can be installed on the MB tray over by the memory area. Then a bit of 3/8" tubing to route the loop, and that should work out pretty nicely. It wont be near ambient by any means, actually near-case water temps . But it will allow full Thermochill capacity for that quad and g80's.

[Jedda]

Yes, that grill swap looks good value.
I find that modder's mesh very easy to work with, too. It shapes easily over a block of wood to make brackets, screens and such without blocking airflow.

[Borgod]

Thats a superb idea Andy. Should definitely make things easier. I was going to mount twin DDC's on the bottom of the 5.25" bays to begin with anyway, so I'll just mount a BIX120 in front of them.

With some luck I may be able to give up the use of only the bottom 3 bays.
Care to do me a favour and measure the height from the tray under the 5.25" bays to the top of the 3rd bay?

[AndyM]

Will do later today