AMD R790 Thermal Disipation

[savantu]

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...
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Intel's chipsets are done on 90nm ( X38/P35/P965 ) or 130nm ( 975 ).

[Shintai]

I dont believe Nubforce chipsets will ever be cool!

That chart dont reflect reality. P965 uses less power and is alot cooler than x975. Theinq made same mistake.

[Shintai]

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

[ColonelCain]

Nice. But I still won't get one unless K10 is a keeper.

And, even with only Spanish I in the bag, I can comprehend the conversation

[dexman]

Intel's chipsets are done on 90nm ( X38/P35/P965 ) or 130nm ( 975 ).

that´s supposed to be excuse or...? it´s like saying don´t compare K10´s TDP to Penryn´s because K10 is 65nm. it´s not AMD´s fault that Intel´s chipsets are done on 90nm.

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

that doesn´t mean anything. P35 TDP is supposed to be 16W(although I find it suspicious when power consumption of same system is lower on P965) and look what heatsinks most of the boards use.

[savantu]

that´s supposed to be excuse or...? it´s like saying don´t compare K10´s TDP to Penryn´s because K10 is 65nm. it´s not AMD´s fault that Intel´s chipsets are done on 90nm.

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No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

[Lightman]

No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

If it's true then show me dual socket motherboard based on this chipset ....
Going by this logic you can claim that X38 is way better than RD790 because it have DDR3(2) memory controller on die, where RD790 lack it . Similarities between these two are ending on same set of basic I/O, PCIe Gen2, SATA support, maybe RAID modes and approximately same release date to market (where Intel probably will be faster by month or two).

[alpha0ne]

Really looking forward to trying out this new chipset, using the steamy nNvidia 590 (Gigashyte POS) was very disappointing

[largon]

The platform AMD offers for Phenom looks absolutely awesome, but one can only hope the CPU will be worth the $.
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[AbelJemka]

No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

Always same guy wich comes to spam AMD thread.
"R790 has low TDP"
Intel boy spammer "Same has Intel X38 and X38 has same features"
No one speaks about X38 so no one says X38 has less features

[Mekrel]

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

[Gambit_2K]

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

I think the RD600 was pretty cool, and the RD580 was even cooler if I remember correctly. It's not Ati's fault that DFI put on the worst heatsink ever.

[v_rr]

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

Well 690G and 690GM is very popular chip7. Almost all AMD notebooks came with 690GM, and 1 milion 690G boards were sold.

I think that RD7xx will continue with a good series of chip7, and AMD had lot´s of time to work with ATI to make sure that the best chip7 for K10 is made by AMD/ATI.

[|3ourne]

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread.

[DeathReborn]

which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread.

You see when you say "never" it makes people prove you wrong. Have you tried putting max volts through your chipset &/or volt modding it? There is always a way to send a chip over 40c.

I do expect the RD7xx chips to be cool running but they might sacrifice a couple of features compared to the nForce 7xx chips which will undoubtedly run hotter.

[Mekrel]

which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread.

Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

[Tulatin]

You jump for joy at a 10W chipset, only to then put a 150W cpu and 220W videocard in the system, right?

[AbelJemka]

I do expect the RD7xx chips to be cool running but they might sacrifice a couple of features compared to the nForce 7xx chips which will undoubtedly run hotter.

why running cooler make them sacrifice features?

Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

May learn to tweak your board. With 1.45 i get 450MHz and 500 with 1.75. Go play with Nvidia 680 and will see if RD600 suck so much.

[Mekrel]

It has nothing to do with tweaking, people have reported the same. Sending boards back, getting RMA replacements which can't do the same settings as the board they sent back. It's completely random.

Running sync (which was faster) took so much voltage, thats why it took me 1.7 pretty much to get that sort of FSB out of it.

ICFX was a nice tweaking board, but RD600 is the worst chipset out of 965/975/680i/P35. Slowest clock for clock because of the dual bus design to give full unlinkable memory, poor raid performance, seemed very fragile with the amount of dead boards.

[nn_step]

Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

It is expected to get hot when you crank volts into it
RD600 uses SB600, which is equal (slightly superior) to the current Intel and nVidia southbridges.

[Mekrel]

It was hot at default voltages. My DangerDen block was on it fine though, even had ATi impressed into the copper when I removed the block.

I know RD600 uses SB600 - the raid performance was pap though. The only good raid performance figures I saw was 4 * 150GB raptor raid by Fugger. All the other benchmarks by members who owned the board showed it to be slower than ICH8.

[nn_step]

It was hot at default voltages. My DangerDen block was on it fine though, even had ATi impressed into the copper when I removed the block.

I know RD600 uses SB600 - the raid performance was pap though. The only good raid performance figures I saw was 4 * 150GB raptor raid by Fugger. All the other benchmarks by members who owned the board showed it to be slower than ICH8.

User friendly performance and high performance are not always one and the same

[Morais]

RD600 uses SB600, which is equal (slightly superior) to the current Intel and nVidia southbridges.

Yep, youre right. Amd doesnt need an SB upgrade (at least for now) since it is a very good performer

[XS Janus]

so...... when will somebody step up and change the title of this thread?

[DoubleZero]

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

Jesus Christ you're pathethic.