Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[PetNorth]

Have you Intel droids (and the zdnet genious) notice that those results are with different SOs and of course with different compiler?

-AMD page results are with: WINDOWS SERVER 2003 64bits -32bits spec version- Intel Compiler v9.1 IA32. Here is 84.8 dual 5355 spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00524.html

-Zdnet genious and venerable IT picked results are with (btw not to mention they are from june, AMD page is from april), OK with: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 10 64bits, Intel compiler IA32/EM64T v10.0 Here is 101 dual 5355 2.66ghz spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...612-01275.html and here is 106 dual 5365 3.0ghz spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...528-01175.html

How somebody can compare benchs with different SOs and compiler? I know, nonsense fanboys.

[Shintai]

Have you Intel droids (and the zdnet genious) notice that those results are with different SOs and of course with different compiler?

-AMD page results are with: WINDOWS SERVER 2003 64bits -32bits spec version- Intel Compiler v9.1 IA32. Here is 84.8 dual 5355 spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00524.html

-Zdnet genious and venerable IT picked results are with (btw not to mention they are from june, AMD page is from april), OK with: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 10 64bits, Intel compiler IA32/EM64T v10.0 Here is 101 dual 5355 2.66ghz spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...612-01275.html and here is 106 dual 5365 3.0ghz spec page http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...528-01175.html

How somebody can compare benchs with different SOs and compiler? I know, nonsense fanboys.

Do you even know how the configuration for the other systems AMD used in the comparision?

http://www.amd.com/us-en/BenchmarkPl...117239,00.html

I guess its ok for AMD to use 64bit on the K8 vs 32bit on the Woodcrest?

And whats this, now the compiler cant be used? Thats like saying all 2900XT benchmarks with newer better performing drivers is unfair.

And its not like they used the best one for Intel is it, even with the 9.1 compiler and 32bit.
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...402-00728.html (just example, not sure its the best)

[PetNorth]

i'm not going to waste time with zealots. But again, Linux. Not windows. And of course compiler do differents, and more with different OS.

[nemrod]

i'm not going to waste time with zealots. But again, Linux. Not windows. And of course compiler do differents, and more with different OS.

Who is the zealots, you don't even click on shintai link. So as you're too lazy.
AMD benchmark configuration information for such kind of comparison:

# 2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Microsoft Windows®Server 2003 x64 Enterprise http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00524.html
# 2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux® Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00684.html
# 2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Windows® 2003 Server Enterprise Edition SP1 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...122-00249.html
# 2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-Bit SUSE LINUX® Enterprise Server 10 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00523.html
# 2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00685.html
# 2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-bit SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10


And again in the barcelona simulated comparison, if you take about 3s to read the footnote:
http://multicore.amd.com/GetFile.asp...trate_040207v2
you read:
"competitive benchmark results stated above reflect results published on www.spec.org as of april 16. 2007. The comparison presented above is based on the best performing blabla... "

Best performing... Nowhere best performing using this and that blabla, just best performing, they don't care of os or compiler, they only take the "best performing"

[savantu]

i'm not going to waste time with zealots. But again, Linux. Not windows. And of course compiler do differents, and more with different OS.

What part of "best result" is too hard for you to comprehend ?

Maybe you should worry more about your problems than calling others zealots.

[GoThr3k]

what is a zealot?

[SoulsCollective]

Religious fanatics. Google is your friend.

[red]

Someone who is zealous, filled with or motivated by zeal; fervent, enthusiastically mad.

http://www.dailytech.com/Welcome+to+...rticle7927.htm
DT rips on INQ, incorrectly stating 2.3GHz specrate benches compared to 2.6GHz... and

Barcelona...when it does launch on August 27.

[Mav451]

Seems this thread just revealed another Intel drone - this time in the form of George Ou.

"Blatantly", "Deceptive", "Ethics" - nice word choice George.
I'm sorry, but for an Intel fanboy to cry about ethics is simply laughable. So is George implying that Intel is the model citizen for ethics? Looks like we found Tom's HW 2.0 in the form of George Ou.

[Lightman]

....

Barcelona...when it does launch on August 27.

Right! 6 weeks to go and no one here with final silicon to leak some numbers I can't believe that... Hector if you reading XS then create account for yourself and post some numbers .

[madcho]

Right! 6 weeks to go and no one here with final silicon to leak some numbers I can't believe that... Hector if you reading XS then create account for yourself and post some numbers .

i prefer some pictures

[PetNorth]

Who is the zealots, you don't even click on shintai link. So as you're too lazy.
AMD benchmark configuration information for such kind of comparison:

# 2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Microsoft Windows®Server 2003 x64 Enterprise http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00524.html
# 2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux® Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00684.html
# 2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Windows® 2003 Server Enterprise Edition SP1 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...122-00249.html
# 2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-Bit SUSE LINUX® Enterprise Server 10 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00523.html
# 2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00685.html
# 2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-bit SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10


And again in the barcelona simulated comparison, if you take about 3s to read the footnote:
http://multicore.amd.com/GetFile.asp...trate_040207v2
you read:
"competitive benchmark results stated above reflect results published on www.spec.org as of april 16. 2007. The comparison presented above is based on the best performing blabla... "

Best performing... Nowhere best performing using this and that blabla, just best performing, they don't care of os or compiler, they only take the "best performing"

and what's supposed it means?

that AMD guy or guys who made that nonsense table or graph, is stupid?

I knew that, Big deal.

But I'm sorry, it doesn't change zdnet genious stupidity or Intel zealots stupidity embracing George Ou crap.

[nemrod]

i prefer some pictures

Fine, so a gift for you:
http://www.lsi.upc.es/~aofa05/pictures/barcelona1.jpg

[madcho]

Fine, so a gift for you:
http://www.lsi.upc.es/~aofa05/pictures/barcelona1.jpg

no world record here

[nemrod]

and what's supposed it means?

that AMD guy or guys who made that nonsense table or graph, is stupid?

I knew that, Big deal.

But I'm sorry, it doesn't change zdnet genious stupidity or Intel zealots stupidity embracing George Ou crap.

You, G. OU or De Vries have just miss a very very small detail...
SPEC: Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation
s a non-profit corporation formed to establish, maintain and endorse a standardized set of relevant benchmarks that can be applied to the newest generation of high-performance computers.

X86 or not doesn't matter
linux or windows or unix doesn't matter...

Who is behind spec? ALL the world involve in server business:

SPEC Members:

Acer Inc. * Advanced Micro Devices * Apple Inc. * ATI Research * Azul Systems, Inc. * BEA Systems * BlueArc * Bull S.A. * CommuniGate Systems * Dell * EMC * Fabric7 Systems, Inc. * Fujitsu Limited * Fujitsu Siemens * Hewlett-Packard * Hitachi Data Systems * Hitachi Ltd. * IBM * Intel * ION Computer Systems * Itautec S/A * Microsoft * NEC - Japan * NetEffect * Network Appliance * NVIDIA * Openwave Systems * Oracle * Panasas * Principled Technologies * QLogic Corporation * The Portland Group * Rackable Systems * Red Hat * S3 Graphics Co., Ltd. * SAP AG * SGI * Sun Microsystems * Super Micro Computer, Inc. * SWsoft * Sybase * Symantec Corporation * Trigence * Unisys * Zeus Technology

etc...

And your comment about zealots embrassing G. OU crap... Just :
G. OU crap: July 4th, 2007

July 3 here:

It's incredible how lame Theinq can be : http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40749

1.In the Spec tests they compare the estimated perf of a 2.6GHz K10 vs. 2.66 Clovertown

2."Recently, we managed to sse the short of performance figures that AMD is promising for Barcelona."

Too bad the first 2 slides are form december 06 and the last 2 from february 07.

[red]

http://www.sunmicrosystems.se/virtua...f_Nordlund.pdf
Slide 16

Projected IPC gains up to 15%

[nn_step]

http://www.sunmicrosystems.se/virtua...f_Nordlund.pdf
Slide 16

Projected IPC gains up to 15%

or enough to make a 2Ghz Proc run like a 2.3Ghz Proc
Which Ironically is more than what conroe does over k8 in many many many places.
So what exactly is your point?

[nemrod]

or enough to make a 2Ghz Proc run like a 2.3Ghz Proc
Which Ironically is more than what conroe does over k8 in many many many places.
So what exactly is your point?

Is it a problem to obtain new data in the barcelona thread?

[red]

I never knew that reporting data without analysis means that I'm trying to make a point Sorry that you don't like the data.

[Periander6]

http://www.sunmicrosystems.se/virtua...f_Nordlund.pdf
Slide 16

Projected IPC gains up to 15%

Great find. Thanks.

[nn_step]

Great find. Thanks.

He did kinda skip Slide 42, which effectively means double Virtualization performance. Which would relatively put a single 1Ghz Barcelona on even performance with a Quad core Kentsfield running at 8Ghz (virtualization applications and Operating systems only)
Which means AMD is going to make a killing in the ISP and high end server market.

[informal]

This is misleading since FP/SSE performance gains are going to be much much bigger than 15%...

[terrace215]

http://www.sunmicrosystems.se/virtua...f_Nordlund.pdf
Slide 16

Projected IPC gains up to 15%

(vs. K8)

That puts the K10 core IPC right about at Core2 IPC, as expected.

Throw in Intel's 50% clock advantage at Barc launch, and both a speed bump *and* a 5-10% IPC bump with 45nm, and it's...

Game over.

AMD may scrape out a win in 4-socket HPC apps, but that's too small a market to survive in. And Nehalem is coming.

Phenom is going to be an absolute dog vs. Penryn. Desktop disaster.

And mobile? Oh that's right, there is no K10 mobile, just a warmed over K8 dual core Turion 1.01 served up as "Griffin".

[informal]

lmao,game over..

terrace215 you win the "extreme intel fanboy award of the year".Competition has been tough,we have a few good candidates,but you have shown what it takes to take the "prize".

[nn_step]

(vs. K8)

That puts the K10 core IPC right about at Core2 IPC, as expected.

Throw in Intel's 50% clock advantage at Barc launch, and both a speed bump *and* a 5-10% IPC bump with 45nm, and it's...

Game over.

AMD may scrape out a win in 4-socket HPC apps, but that's too small a market to survive in. And Nehalem is coming.

Phenom is going to be an absolute dog vs. Penryn. Desktop disaster.

And mobile? Oh that's right, there is no K10 mobile, just a warmed over K8 dual core Turion 1.01 served up as "Griffin".

Are you paid by Intel or do you know absolutely nothing about electronics?