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    This is Great!! At last someone is testing the things we have been wondering about for so long. Hope to see some results soon Cathar!! BTW What kind of bikes do you ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiikkuja View Post
    BTW What kind of bikes do you ride?
    <----- That's me. Yamaha R1, 2000 model

    Next bike which is coming in a few months will be a Triumph 675.

    Enjoy some on-board footage:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    I'd hate to do all the work to find out the results, only to have some yob come along and call it biased, and therefore invalid.
    Don't worry, if anyone comes along with a smart@$$ing attitude, we'll flame
    them to Hell and back
    Many review sites have stayed afloat with dodgy and imprecise, even biased
    testing. They are more deserving of criticism.

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    Anyone want to suggest me some more (good) fans? If you could provide a purchase link, that'd be great.
    I second the request for the Sharkoon Golfballs, if you can find them.
    I have also heard good things about the Glacialtech SilentBlades and the
    normal-frame Arctic Cooling fans (AF12025-variants), both have good prices,
    but I've rarely seen any reviews and tests of them. They seem to be available
    at the shops you mentioned.
    Adda fans were popular (well, they still are for PSUs, for example), but they
    seem to have fallen out of the trend lately; I still have a pair on a rad and I
    think they are nice fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank M View Post
    the
    normal-frame Arctic Cooling fans (AF12025-variants), both have good prices,
    but I've rarely seen any reviews and tests of them. They seem to be available
    at the shops you mentioned.
    Yep - already on the way. Ordered it at the same time.

    Adda fans were popular (well, they still are for PSUs, for example), but they
    seem to have fallen out of the trend lately; I still have a pair on a rad and I
    think they are nice fans.
    Rather hard to find them though, the base Adda's. The SilenX fans are just rebadged Adda fans with resistors added, and from everything I've heard about them, they don't live up to the hype. Not something I want to willingly spring money on. I don't doubt that they do a decent serviceable job, but I'm led to believe that they are not noise/flow/performance leaders. If someone wants to send me one to prove me wrong, go right ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post


    Rather hard to find them though, the base Adda's. The SilenX fans are just rebadged Adda fans with resistors added, and from everything I've heard about them, they don't live up to the hype. Not something I want to willingly spring money on. I don't doubt that they do a decent serviceable job, but I'm led to believe that they are not noise/flow/performance leaders. If someone wants to send me one to prove me wrong, go right ahead.
    I think you might be right on the ball there, (as usual ).
    From what their aussie distributor says, the std Lian-Li case fans are all Addas. If so, I find them OK but not worth a premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    Yep - already on the way. Ordered it at the same time.



    Rather hard to find them though, the base Adda's. The SilenX fans are just rebadged Adda fans with resistors added, and from everything I've heard about them, they don't live up to the hype. Not something I want to willingly spring money on. I don't doubt that they do a decent serviceable job, but I'm led to believe that they are not noise/flow/performance leaders. If someone wants to send me one to prove me wrong, go right ahead.
    lol

    I would gladly do that.

    ygpm

    Off topic again--nice choice on the new ride...Have you ever run Pirelli Diablos for street? I trust them more than any tire I have run (got 80K of street riding behind me)

    Trying out some Michelin Pilots on the Ully...but I don't trust them yet...the Diablos have saved me a spill or two on loose gravel in the corners...

    Got my eye on the new Rotax powered Buell (R1152)--finally a "real" engine with all of 10.5K rev range lol.

    Heal up there's riding to be done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
    ygpm
    Thanks mate. Checked it. It's a long one. Work's been kicking my butt, so I'll try to get to it tomorrow.

    Off topic again--nice choice on the new ride...Have you ever run Pirelli Diablos for street? I trust them more than any tire I have run (got 80K of street riding behind me)
    Pirelli Diablo what? Strada? Corsa? Corsa 3? Plain Diablo?

    Ran Pirelli Diablo Corsa's on the street, and for part-time track-day duty. Went through about 3 or 4 sets. I like them in summer, but in the wet winter months they seem to have difficulty coming up to a good operating temperature, and this resulted in a high-side accident that I had earlier last year. Truth be told, it wasn't really the tyre's fault. The rear suspension setup was completely bogus, and the tyres were being asked to deal with too much. Still, I always got lots of small slips with them in the cold and wet, so I steer clear of them for winter.

    Never tried the plain Diablo's. My lean angles are pretty aggressive, so in general I tend to prefer the stickier compounds. (Corsa, SuperCorsa)

    Trying out some Michelin Pilots on the Ully...but I don't trust them yet...the Diablos have saved me a spill or two on loose gravel in the corners...
    Michelin Pilot what? There's a few types. The Michelin Pilot Powers are the rough equivalent of the Pirelli Diablo Corsa's. Can cut some very fast laps at the track on either the Pilot Powers, or the Corsa's. I do somewhat agree about the initial feel of the Pilot Powers (if that's what you have). At about half-lean I find that the feedback from the tyres goes all vague, but comes back again if you lean further. This sensation happened to me on the R1, and now is happening on the 675. Possibly just a profile characteristic. The Pirelli Diablo Corsa's I found to be very consistent.

    If you like the Diablo's, you almost might like to try the Metzeler Sportec M3's.

    Got my eye on the new Rotax powered Buell (R1152)--finally a "real" engine with all of 10.5K rev range lol.
    Nice. 10.5K rev range is about all you need on a big twin anyway, unless you're going racing...

    Heal up there's riding to be done!

    Aye. That there is. Was up the local lookout today:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    <----- That's me. Yamaha R1, 2000 model

    Next bike which is coming in a few months will be a Triumph 675.

    Enjoy some on-board footage:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    <----- That's me. Yamaha R1, 2000 model

    Next bike which is coming in a few months will be a Triumph 675.

    Enjoy some on-board footage:

    Nice footage! Also can't get enough of bikes myself, been on dirtbikes forever and on the street for about 10 years. Some of the bikes I had were:
    1990 Suzuki GS500
    1998 Suzuki Katana 600
    2000 Suzuki Hayabusa
    2006 Suzuki SV650

    Currently have the SV and a 2000 KX500 for the dirt bike, kind of miss the busa, but the KX keeps me regular enough The SV is a good all around bike, so far the funnest in really tight twisties. The busa was insane on the straights, but a little heavy in the corners, got tired of 3000 miles per rear tire

    Anyhow, it's always better on two Keep the rubber side down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinm210 View Post
    Anyhow, it's always better on two Keep the rubber side down
    If they let you.
    Seems the folk in the cages all can't see or hear you. Maybe they figure they're bigger. I don't know.
    But I can tell you four years in hospital and twenty on walking sticks is no fun.
    The place to ride bikes is on the dirt or on tarmac with only other motorcycles all going in the same direction.

    A short list of fans Cathar rates test worthy but doesn't yet have, might be helpful.

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    Actually I'm a racetrack regular. To date, my last 4 accidents have all been at the race-track (over a period of 11 years). I guess it comes with the territory when you're pushing the limits. This most recent accident has me seriously questioning the wisdom of it though (going to the racetrack). 8 weeks on and I still can't walk, and my right hand is at about 50% mobility and 25% strength, and I'm starting to think that maybe someone's trying to tell me something. Let me just say that you never really appreciate the ability to walk and get around freely until you don't have that ability. I can't use crutches 'cos my broken wrist can't support the weight, so I'm effectively near immobile, and extremely frustrated. Needless to say that the wife is pretty cranky with me and doesn't want me to go to the racetrack again. I'm my own person but even I'm starting to appreciate her position when I can't do most anything I want to. I look at my kids and think how bad it would be if the injuries were permanent. If I didn't have the responsibility of my children it might be different, but I think I'll be giving up the racetrack for a while.

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    Gotten the testbed almost wholly complete now. Finished the last of my fan mounting changes.

    Ran some quick tests with the curved bladed Yate-Loons against the Coolermaster. While in free-air the Coolermaster pushes more air than the Yate-Loon, and is quieter, when on the radiator (PA120.1) the Yate-Loon wins by a decent margin. The Coolermaster is even quieter though in this configuration, so it may be that noise vs performance it could still beat the Yate-Loon, but for now I'll just say that it'd be very close.

    I'm saying this, just in case people are rushing out to buy the Coolermaster's on the off-hand comment I made earlier. Please wait until I'm finished, but I reckon I'll be able to begin testing more fully this weekend.

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    this one might be worth looking at (but kinda loud)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    Actually I'm a racetrack regular. To date, my last 4 accidents have all been at the race-track (over a period of 11 years). I guess it comes with the territory when you're pushing the limits. This most recent accident has me seriously questioning the wisdom of it though (going to the racetrack). 8 weeks on and I still can't walk, and my right hand is at about 50% mobility and 25% strength, and I'm starting to think that maybe someone's trying to tell me something. Let me just say that you never really appreciate the ability to walk and get around freely until you don't have that ability. I can't use crutches 'cos my broken wrist can't support the weight, so I'm effectively near immobile, and extremely frustrated. Needless to say that the wife is pretty cranky with me and doesn't want me to go to the racetrack again. I'm my own person but even I'm starting to appreciate her position when I can't do most anything I want to. I look at my kids and think how bad it would be if the injuries were permanent. If I didn't have the responsibility of my children it might be different, but I think I'll be giving up the racetrack for a while.
    My dad reached that decision recently after breaking his collar bone on the track, he used to road race in the 80's (he is 51) and started getting back into it after a 17 year hiatus. He always bragged about being the only road racer he knew to never break a bone but then karma reached up and bit him in the ass. My mom talked him out of racing again, he is a dentist and really can not afford the injuries, that and he is getting to old.


    Back on topic: I want to she what the golf ball fans can do.

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    Man, what I wouldn't give for only a broken collarbone at this moment.

    On a side note, I am ready to throw this freaking anemometer out the window. It cannot get any consistency out of it. One minute it's reporting one air-speed consistently, then wait a couple of minutes and it reports something 20% higher and will do that for 5 minutes, and then it'll report something else for another few minutes.

    I then go back and revisit stuff, only to find that the readings have all changed. So that's it. I'm going to have to scrap all the setup work I've done to date, 'cos I can't trust it and have no faith in it, and get myself a better anemometer, perhaps something like a hot wire anemometer instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    <----- That's me. Yamaha R1, 2000 model

    Next bike which is coming in a few months will be a Triumph 675.

    Enjoy some on-board footage:

    I'd like to see the same footage at the curve exit in the 10 grand RPM range...you know when you start seeing the sky instead of the trees ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    I'd like to see the same footage at the curve exit in the 10 grand RPM range...you know when you start seeing the sky instead of the trees ?
    Sadly, I'm no wheelie monster yet. I had only just started getting comfortable with getting the front wheel up under power. I have some videos of some rather crap wheelies, but they're more embarrassing than anything to show off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathar View Post
    Sadly, I'm no wheelie monster yet. I had only just started getting comfortable with getting the front wheel up under power. I have some videos of some rather crap wheelies, but they're more embarrassing than anything to show off.
    Hope you ride with your helmet and body armor on! Nothing more fun than a bike but nothing more deadly. My lab abuts a large university hospital complex and there, they are known as 'Donorcycles' for good reason.

    The BMI stuff we work on with humans has as thirty percent of its patients former Donorcyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhall0315 View Post
    Hope you ride with your helmet and body armor on! Nothing more fun than a bike but nothing more deadly. My lab abuts a large university hospital complex and there, they are known as 'Donorcycles' for good reason.
    Being a rider for some 13 years, I'm well aware of the risks, and I've seen my share of bike accidents. Fortunately I've never witnessed a fatal accident. Been involved in a couple of serious accidents at the race-track though, which is why I'm currently laid up with a broken wrist + ankle.

    In Australia it is illegal to ride a bike without a helmet. Thing here though is that extremely few people complain about the rule. Most here appreciate that even falling over from a standing position and smacking your unprotected head against concrete/bitumen can be (and certainly has been) fatal, let alone falling off some vehicle at speed without adequate head protection.

    As for wearing adequate body protection, it would seem that many still don't understand what they're dealing with. Coming off at 35mph onto bitumen is about the same sort of deal as falling on top of a spinning bench grinding wheel. Same sorts of speed/abrasion involved. Ask people if they would willingly grab a full-speed spinning bench grinder and they'd call you insane, yet the very same people will ride around on a motorbike without gloves or adequate protective clothing.

    What you see in my avatar is what I wear ALL the time. 1.4mm thick kanagaroo hide leather (about twice as strong against abrasion as cow leather, and lighter), full face helmet with 150G's transferrance impact loading (as opposed to the more inadequate Snell rated 250G's impact transferrance). Basically that means less likely to suffer brain damage. Carbon fibre protected gloves, with wrist straps to prevent them pulling off in an accident. Underneath the leathers is articulated spinal body armor with aluminium honeycomb mesh crumple zone protection to absorb impacts to the spine. Also molded plastic body part inserts to spread any impact loading against the torso and joints. Boots are full leather, and include hyperflexion/hyperextension protection, and after doing a 1-legged 85mph full body-weight somersault pivoting over my ankle and only suffering hair-line fractures through the talus, I'd say that the boots did their job. Without them I would've snapped the ankle for sure.

    Yeah, I take protection seriously. You have to when you get around a track at speeds of up to 170mph. Anything less is folly.
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    Sorry for the OTT, but how is your shoulder healing? I know mine wasn't fully "healed" for two years, and has never returned to full strength, but I pray yours does. Fake stuff in that area for me never was just right, here's to hoping that it heals properly.

    On topic, would the aluminum CMs be a good match for a BI GTS 240? I think my fans (CM white LED jobbies) are more than a bit underperforming...

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