Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[BrowncoatGR]

I wouldnt expect the desktop parts before November at the earliest. Quantities will probably be coming sometime in December.

[BrowncoatGR]

A K10 benchmark? It's the SPEC 2006 CPU integer throughput benchmark! Your last sentence is nonsense. SPEC is designed to compare the performance of different CPUs, not all of them even x86. Of course submissions use different compilers! Sheesh.

What im saying is that when you are benchmarking for raw CPU performance you have to use the same compiler, otherwise the compiler comes into play as well. That is ok when you benchmark to see how YOUR code will run but you cant directly compare CPUs like that.

[informal]

What im saying is that when you are benchmarking for raw CPU performance you have to use the same compiler, otherwise the compiler comes into play as well. That is ok when you benchmark to see how YOUR code will run but you cant directly compare CPUs like that.

Yep,this is correct.

[JumpingJack]

When it will be for desktop?

The first desktop SKUs are rumored to be November maybe December. About 6-8 weeks after the server variety come out.

The leaked roadmap (take with some grains of salt) is here:
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070622PD217.html

[terrace215]

What im saying is that when you are benchmarking for raw CPU performance you have to use the same compiler, otherwise the compiler comes into play as well. That is ok when you benchmark to see how YOUR code will run but you cant directly compare CPUs like that.

Sure you can. Since a single compiler can already output different code for different parts (K10 vs. C2D, say), you are not comparing the identical code across processors.

So, you're looking to see which processor can "get the job done", i.e. PERFORM, best. So you might as well compare the performance of the best code you can get for each part, and that may mean using different compilers for your source code (i.e. the job).

[BrowncoatGR]

Sure you can. Since a single compiler can already output different code for different parts (K10 vs. C2D, say), you are not comparing the identical code across processors.

So, you're looking to see which processor can "get the job done", i.e. PERFORM, best. So you might as well compare the performance of the best code you can get for each part, and that may mean using different compilers for your source code (i.e. the job).

:O you are right. I still think your calculations are off though

[californian7856]

yeah, guys whens the desktop version going to come out??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Phenom

Phenom

also is Barcelona compatible with Socket 1207FX??

will these mobo work with Barcelona??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...(Socket+1207FX)

[Shintai]

The wiki is very wrong. They expect 2.8Ghz Quads in Q3. But AMD will only release 2Ghz.

The wattage is also wrong ofcourse.

[nn_step]

The wiki is very wrong. They expect 2.8Ghz Quads in Q3. But AMD will only release 2Ghz.

The wattage is also wrong ofcourse.

Since you obviously know everything about what AMD is doing, why don't you write a book and sell it to Intel for a Billion dollars

[BrowncoatGR]

The wiki is very wrong. They expect 2.8Ghz Quads in Q3. But AMD will only release 2Ghz.

The wattage is also wrong ofcourse.

Afaik not much has changed (yet?) for desktop processors. The most up to date info was 2.6ghz in Q4 and 2.8 in Q1 08. Quad FX processors for socket L1 could launch in late Q3 though as they are low volume parts anyway. Still i expect the worst case scenario for Phenom for it to top out at 2.4 ghz, although i think that's unlikely. s for the wattage you are wrong. Opterons are always ratted higher than desktop processors

[Zytek_Fan]

Since you obviously know everything about what AMD is doing, why don't you write a book and sell it to Intel for a Billion dollars

Agreed. I tire of hearing his bull

[Shintai]

Perhaps Zytek_Fan and nn_step should try and read the AMD press release and compare it to the Wiki!

Now tell me who is wrong, the Wiki or the AMD press release.

[Shintai]

Afaik not much has changed (yet?) for desktop processors. The most up to date info was 2.6ghz in Q4 and 2.8 in Q1 08. Quad FX processors for socket L1 could launch in late Q3 though as they are low volume parts anyway. Still i expect the worst case scenario for Phenom for it to top out at 2.4 ghz, although i think that's unlikely. s for the wattage you are wrong. Opterons are always ratted higher than desktop processors

Actually desktops are higher than servers. The servers gets the premium chips.

2.8Ghz in Q1, where? Also the wiki dont even use the numbers they refer to.

http://www.dailytech.com/Final+AMD+S...rticle7157.htm

Currently the most up to date info is 2.3Ghz in Q4. And 2.3Ghz+ in Q1.

[GoThr3k]

Agreed. I tire of hearing his bull

QFT

[terrace215]

Afaik not much has changed (yet?) for desktop processors. The most up to date info was 2.6ghz in Q4 and 2.8 in Q1 08.

No, that's not correct.

It's "2.2-2.4" in late Q4 for the best Phenom Quadcore (so midpoint is 2.3)
In Q1, that becomes "2.4-2.6" for Phenom Quadcore (midpoint 2.5)

The only "2.8" is the upper end of the "2.4-2.8" Phenom DUAL core range for Q1 08. (The 6xxx series)

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40348
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40347

[lapdog]

AMD to Launch "Barcelona" Slow this August
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7890

AMD announced today what analysts have been dreading for months: the company will launch its next-generation architecture this August, at top-out frequencies of 2.0 GHz. This next-generation CPU will become the successor of the existing K8 AMD Opteron lineup.

[informal]

AMD to Launch "Barcelona" Slow this August
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7890

Welcome to page 25

[gallag]

Phenom delayed to Q1 '08
http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20070702PD201.html

[Lightman]

Phenom delayed to Q1 '08
http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20070702PD201.html

This is in line with Charlie assumption (link) that AMD might went straight from B1 rev. to Cx rev. to sort out all clocking problems at once.

So this is good news in bad news... I would prefer 2.5GHz+ Phenom in Q108 than few 2.3GHz- Phenoms in December 07.

[[XC] Teroedni]

well as long as Barcelona is on route i dont care for Phenom(Idiotic name:/)

Im just waiting for my chance to go 2P quad for a Total of Octa Cores
Now that Platform will rock

[[XC] Teroedni]

also is Barcelona compatible with Socket 1207FX??

will these mobo work with Barcelona??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...(Socket+1207FX)

well if Asus update the Bios it should work, But why would you want that Powerhog of an motherboard??
Why not go for a real server board instead,with way lower power cunsumption

[PetNorth]

Phenom delayed to Q1 '08
http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20070702PD201.html

Mobo makers say AMD Phenom delayed until 1Q08, but AMD says launch remains set for 2H07 (update)

AMD has responded to this report by stating that the company's official launch schedule for Phenom remains the second half of 2007 and this schedule has not changed. The company added that it has not contacted motherboard makers concerning a delay to the schedule.

[Shintai]

Mobo makers say AMD Phenom delayed until 1Q08, but AMD says launch remains set for 2H07 (update)

AMD has responded to this report by stating that the company's official launch schedule for Phenom remains the second half of 2007 and this schedule has not changed. The company added that it has not contacted motherboard makers concerning a delay to the schedule.

Lets not hope its another "65nm in December" type of launch.

But currently I haven´t seen a reason on why it cant be 2007 yet.

[Shintai]

well if Asus update the Bios it should work, But why would you want that Powerhog of an motherboard??
Why not go for a real server board instead,with way lower power cunsumption

Wouldn´t there be an issue with ECC vs non ECC memory. And maybe registered.

[informal]

Wouldn´t there be an issue with ECC vs non ECC memory. And maybe registered.

No,like shown before here on the forum,Opterons work without issues on Asus Quad FX mobo.