If ATI Won a Round, Would Anyone Notice?

[DilTech]

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This is why I express the importants of WHQL approved drivers when benchmarking like this.

The issue was with lost planet, the new release of it should be any minute.

Also, if I'm not mistaken(I'm not running sli or vista, so I can't verify myself), but didn't sli not get added properly into the vista driver until 158.42 Could've sworn I remember reading that in the release highlights for 158.42/43. Of course, it might've been 24 as well.

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nvm, that was DX10 SLi support.

[Eastcoasthandle]

The issue was with lost planet, the new release of it should be any minute.

Also, if I'm not mistaken(I'm not running sli or vista, so I can't verify myself), but didn't sli not get added properly into the vista driver until 158.42 Could've sworn I remember reading that in the release highlights for 158.42/43. Of course, it might've been 24 as well.

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nvm, that was DX10 SLi support.

Vista not added properly (as you put it) is pretty hard to validate when plenty of people are using SLI in Vista.

[xlink]

Well,the Sapphire Radeon HD2900XT is $374.99 and the cheapest 8800GTS is $379.99 so it's quite close.

Noise and power consumption, the 2900XT loses, but I could care less.

All I care about is performance per $...and how much X38 is going to be

I bought my 640mb GTS for $310

so not quite...

[californian7856]

I bought my 640mb GTS for $310

so not quite...

he said he couldnt care less .. money is no object ... since hes likely to pay more to run his 2900XT thru power bills, also GTS 640 can be have for much less than 2900xt if one just look

ohy yea he said MIR doesnt count, but still 640 GTS is 25 buxx chepaer in newegg's case ...

so i dunno ... maybe he simply likes 2900XT regardless of what .. includes power consumption , price , noise , oh and in XP GTS actually beats 2900xT in many benches ...

yeah i know nv sucks at DX10/Vista , but DX10 is slow for all cards ... i dont think ill play DX10 on my current rig nor do i think anyone else can on theirs ... not even with 2900XT CF .... at 1680x1050 4xAA .... for games like crysis , bioshock in DX10 mode

ill prolly get w/e is fastest (maybe G90 or 2950XTX 1GB) when Crysis launches, but seeing how DX10 dont bring much over DX9 i might as well stick with DX9/XP

maybe when a game is DX10 only thats when we will see what this slide is all about

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

[gdogg]

Hey Hey Hey now guys, regardless of drivers, the 8800GTX in vista in sli has to suck, this is the same way the hd2900xt was treated due to bad drivers, so I don't want to see this treated any different ya hear.



If you have to ask why? Because teh review said so :P lol

[californian7856]

The issue was with lost planet, the new release of it should be any minute.

Also, if I'm not mistaken(I'm not running sli or vista, so I can't verify myself), but didn't sli not get added properly into the vista driver until 158.42 Could've sworn I remember reading that in the release highlights for 158.42/43. Of course, it might've been 24 as well.

:::edit:::
nvm, that was DX10 SLi support.

yeah just searched in guru3d a bit
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1629
158.24 was the 1st vista driver they added SLI support for DX9

[californian7856]

Hey Hey Hey now guys, regardless of drivers, the 8800GTX in vista in sli has to suck, this is the same way the hd2900xt was treated due to bad drivers, so I don't want to see this treated any different ya hear.



If you have to ask why? Because teh review said so :P lol

oh .. i c so drivers/os dont count huh

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

in that case GTS 320 csts $290 pwns 2900XT $400 ...



anyway set the fanboy talk aside. Anadtech said they r doing another of both GTX, GTS and XT with new driver ...

[Zytek_Fan]

oh .. i c so drivers/os dont count huh

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

in that case GTS 320 csts $290 pwns 2900XT $400 ...



anyway set the fanboy talk aside. Anadtech said they r doing another of both GTX, GTS and XT with new driver ...

That was with Cat 7.5

The 2900XT is THE card to buy

[californian7856]

That was with Cat 7.5

The 2900XT is THE card to buy

yeah it only use more power than even GTX (which means ur paying that in electric bills)
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2129295,00.asp

and costs more, in most extreme case $65 more ($310 vs $375)

and louder

and slower with 4xAA

other than all that i agree ..

because its very fast in Call of Juarez DX10 which is a AMD sponsor game btw

and CF in Vista is really fast

[AbelJemka]

-http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._14.html#sect0
I pick my test and say it use less power idle and we spend more time in idle mode than in full mode. Extra bill is like 10$ for a year. And on XS speaking about power compsumption it's like a joke.
- Louder for sure but in summmer i guess all high end cards will become louder.
- Slower with 4xAA but even with that still in GTS performance.
- Call of Juarez is a Nvidia sponsor game.
- CF in XP is equally very fast.

[Shintai]

maybe when a game is DX10 only thats when we will see what this slide is all about

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Not really.

DX10 is either A. Faster with the same content or B. You can do more effects and some that you couldn't do with 9, but its slower.

And they all went B.

So all the efficiency bonus moving to DX10 is eaten (And alot more) by more of everything and new features added to the game.

AMD and nVidia game funding made sure you wouldn´t just see a small boost in content. They had to protect current highend and the next generation. It would be pretty bad for them if someone just did a pure DX10 crossover. So a 8800GTS in DX10 performed like a 8800GTX in DX9. On the other hand, they sacrificed any possibility of DX10 on 8600/2600 series.

[Eastcoasthandle]

I found this tid bit of news interesting since the HD 2900XT 1 gig is getting a make over for it's memory ICs (using samsung).
Source

Samsung ...announced today that its GDDR4 (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 4) high-speed graphics memory chip is being used in both the 1GB ATI Radeon™ HD 2900 XT and the 256MB ATI Radeon™ HD 2600 XT graphics processing cards. The 1GB card has the widest bus in the industry designed for full-performance, high dynamic range (HDR) rendering in PCs...Built with 80 nanometer process technology, the 512Mb GDDR4-based graphics cards provides 140.8GB-per-second performance ? 25 percent faster than 700 MHz GDDR3 graphics memory, the most common graphics device in use today...Samsung’s GDDR4 memory devices are now in mass production at the 512Mb density level. Samsung developed the world first GDDR4 device last year and submitted a paper on a 4Gbps GDDR4

I think we all are interested to see what the performance level of the video card is overclocked using Samsung ICs.

These GDDR 4 (K4U52324QE) is rated roughly at:
.6ns @ 1.600GHz = 3.2Gbps

[californian7856]

-http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._14.html#sect0
I pick my test and say it use less power idle and we spend more time in idle mode than in full mode. Extra bill is like 10$ for a year. And on XS speaking about power compsumption it's like a joke.

not really umm i dunno how they did that test .. i can find many that suggest it uses more power during idle

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=30

a card uses more power load can use less power idle?? something wrong with the way they did that test

and no when i dont play games/surf i turn my comp off

louder?? umm b/c its louder then GTS/GTX

- Call of Juarez is a Nvidia sponsor game.

its AMD/ATI sponsor, do u even have the game??
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/dsc00127ob2.jpg

wheres the nv title??

as for CF performance in XP .. well u can always find a review that suggest different

[californian7856]

Not really.

DX10 is either A. Faster with the same content or B. You can do more effects and some that you couldn't do with 9, but its slower.

And they all went B.

So all the efficiency bonus moving to DX10 is eaten (And alot more) by more of everything and new features added to the game.

AMD and nVidia game funding made sure you wouldn´t just see a small boost in content. They had to protect current highend and the next generation. It would be pretty bad for them if someone just did a pure DX10 crossover. So a 8800GTS in DX10 performed like a 8800GTX in DX9. On the other hand, they sacrificed any possibility of DX10 on 8600/2600 series.

yeah when nv released Lost Planet , COH and AMD's COJ DX10 .. i realized that DX10 is slow as hell ...

i doubt future driver will improve it .. not gonna make 20fps average to 40fps .. thats just impossible

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2147398,00.asp
look at that! that is pure crap ...

so that means with a $550 GTX u cant even play games at >1280x1024 with 4xAA on and still get >40fps constantly

well ill enjoy Crysis in XP DX9 . or i'll prolly get a new card that can play it on DX10 1680x1050 2xAA

[AbelJemka]

not really umm i dunno how they did that test .. i can find many that suggest it uses more power during idle

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=30

a card uses more power load can use less power idle?? something wrong with the way they did that test

and no when i dont play games/surf i turn my comp off

louder?? umm b/c its louder then GTS/GTX



its AMD/ATI sponsor, do u even have the game??
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/dsc00127ob2.jpg

wheres the nv title??

as for CF performance in XP .. well u can always find a review that suggest different

U can find a review, a blog or whatever that suggest all you want.
And i have the game and it begins with a nice Nvidia TWIMTBP.

[californian7856]

U can find a review, a blog or whatever that suggest all you want.
And i have the game and it begins with a nice Nvidia TWIMTBP.

yeah and no screenshot

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/dsc00127ob2.jpg

see its AMD/ATI sponsor

do u know how to view a picture?? move the cursor to where the link is and use left mouse button to click

and yeah cuz u only waan hear whats best for 2900XT so u pick that specific review that suggest it uses less power idle ... and u try to spin it by saying comp idle more blablabal .. well i turn my comp off when i dont play 3dgames

but ALL review suggest it uses more power than GTX during full load

also to get more accurate reading i think they should have the 8pin PCI-E plug in ... as that will increase its power consumption even more

[AbelJemka]

yeah and no screenshot

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/dsc00127ob2.jpg

see its AMD/ATI sponsor

do u know how to view a picture?? move the cursor to where the link is and use left mouse button to click

Logo still on CoJ official website.
http://www.coj-game.com/
Seems Nvidia not happy with CoJ benchmark so they pulled the game off their list in US but not in France.
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_tw...gameslist.html
http://fr.nzone.com/object/nzone_twi...eslist_fr.html
U know how to click?
http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image....g=htefpwn5.jpg

and yeah cuz u only waan hear whats best for 2900XT so u pick that specific review that suggest it uses less power idle ... and u try to spin it by saying comp idle more blablabal .. well i turn my comp off when i dont play 3dgames

but ALL review suggest it uses more power than GTX during full load

Yours Anandtech link also whow it use less power idle And i never turn my comp off and really don't about power comsuption too.
And yes it use more power than GTX but i never say it doesn't.

also to get more accurate reading i think they should have the 8pin PCI-E plug in ... as that will increase its power consumption even more

Stupid statement. Coz u plug 8 pin PCI-E it will use power it don't need .

[Eastcoasthandle]

Logo still on CoJ official website.
http://www.coj-game.com/
Seems Nvidia not happy with CoJ benchmark so they pulled the game off their list in US but not in France.
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_tw...gameslist.html
http://fr.nzone.com/object/nzone_twi...eslist_fr.html
U know how to click?
http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image....g=htefpwn5.jpg

Yours Anandtech link also whow it use less power idle And i never turn my comp off and really don't about power comsuption too.
And yes it use more power than GTX but i never say it doesn't.


Stupid statement. Coz u plug 8 pin PCI-E it will use power it don't need .

That's some good research. This leaves no doubt

[XS2K]

Just a thought maybe COJ DX9 version is being sponsored by Nvidia with their TWIMTBP program and the DX10 version by ATI/AMD....

[californian7856]

-http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._14.html#sect0
I pick my test and say it use less power idle and we spend more time in idle mode than in full mode. Extra bill is like 10$ for a year. And on XS speaking about power compsumption it's like a joke.
- Louder for sure but in summmer i guess all high end cards will become louder.

.

yeah its louder than anything, uses more power

- Slower with 4xAA but even with that still in GTS performance.

wrong GTS pwns 2900XT when 4xAA is on
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=19
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=20

when 4xAA is off it pwns ur 2900XT in STALKER, SupCom
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=22
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=24

- CF in XP is equally very fast

equally very fast lol learn some english
equally very fast haha
wrong again
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=25

- Call of Juarez is a Nvidia sponsor game.

complete bs , learn to read
http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd2900/index.html

[Eastcoasthandle]

I think this should settle it:

"NVIDIA has a long standing relationship with Techland and their publisher Ubisoft. In fact, the original European version of Call Of Juarez that was launched in September 2006 is part of the "The Way Its Meant To Be Played" program. As a result of the support Techland and Ubisoft receives for being part of the "The Way Its Meant To Be Played" program, NVIDIA discovered that the early build of the game that was distributed to the press has an application bug that violates DirectX 10 specifications by mishandling MSAA buffers, which causes DirectX 10 compliant hardware to crash. Our DevTech team has worked with Techland to fix that and other bugs in the Call of Juarez code...

Source

Although the article was talking about something else the direct quote from Nvidia is irrefutable. Yes, I now that quote involves European version of the game. However, the current version available didn't simply change to GITG. And, Techland's involvement in COJ didn't change. But make note (if you continue to read the source link), that Techland indicates that the newest benchmark is distribute by (not developed by) AMD. However, that's just the benchmark, not the entire game. Also, it didn't change the relationship between Nvidia and Techland at the time the game was developed.

[californian7856]

http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd2900/index.html

i think this should settle. learn to read.

what website is that.. oh thats right its AMD

[[XC] Lead Head]

Californian, You have no right to tell Abel he speaks bad English, he speaks better English then you do, and he is from France. Heres some gold from one of your previous posts.

"do u know how to view a picture?? move the cursor to where the link is, and use the left mouse button to click.

and yeah cuz u only waan hear whats best for 2900XT, so u pick that specific review that suggests it uses less power on idle ... and u try to spin it by saying comp idle more blablabal .. well i turn my comp off when i dont play 3dgames."

I bolded misspelled words, and italicized missing words that should be there. At least he uses proper grammar, capitalizing words and ending sentences with periods, unlike you. You just look like a fool with his quote in your sig and that mess of a sentence below it.

Also, you should find some OTHER reviews, besides AnandTech, which has shown a slight Intel/nvidia bias as of lately. Also, just because CoJ is on AMD's site, does not mean they sponsor it. At the time, it was one of the only functional publicly available DX10 games.

[californian7856]

Californian, You have no right to tell Abel he speaks bad English, he speaks better English then you do, and he is from France. Heres some gold from one of your previous posts.

"do u know how to view a picture?? move the cursor to where the link is, and use theleft mouse button to click.

and yeah cuz u only waan hear whats best for 2900XT, so u pick that specific review that suggests it uses less power on idle ... and u try to spin it by saying comp idle more blablabal .. well i turn my comp off when i dont play 3dgames.

I bolded misspelled words, and italicized missing words that should be there. At least he uses proper grammar, capitalizing words and ending sentences with periods, unlike you. You just look like a fool with his quote in your sig and that mess of a sentence below it.

Also, you should find some OTHER reviews, besides AnandTech, which has shown a slight Intel/nvidia bias as of lately.

yeah its call abbreviation ..

u = you
cuz = cause

why is idle misspelled?? and more?? those were right

and "w" is not misspelled... why did u bold that??

also "3d" means 3 dimension?? duh.. why is that one bold??

was that so hard to understand??

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/dsc00127ob2.jpg
as for AMD sponsor .. can u tell me why AMD ATI logo is on the box of that game

[[XC] Lead Head]

yeah its call abbreviation ..

u = you
cuz = cause

was that so hard to understand??

Nope, and sorry to tell you "cause", isn't a word either. You make fun of Abel for his English, which is a hell of a lot better then yours.