unlike you i dont think it will be a piece ofOriginally Posted by Shintai
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do you really think a 2GHz clovertown beats a 1.9ghz K10?
well i would bet on the K10
unlike you i dont think it will be a piece of
do you really think a 2GHz clovertown beats a 1.9ghz K10?
well i would bet on the K10
You're right, it's not so much, if we look on X2, the best lauch price was 537$
I believe this is about the same price. I would bet this is about the same performanceunlike you i dont think it will be a piece of
do you really think a 2GHz clovertown beats a 1.9ghz K10?
well i would bet on the K10
Doesn't exist (1.86 GHz)
Last edited by nemrod; 06-27-2007 at 04:48 PM.
no telling really. You have to take into account the server chips costing more, clocks are... meh. I wonder how it will perform. The PRICE is what I use to measure performance at this part of the game.
Perhaps compare to projected Q6600 prices?
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7676
You should compare not the Q6600 but the Xeons to the recent INQ report.
Kevin Knox (vice president of AMD's commercial business)
Where do things currently stand with Barcelona? We're still on target for a midyear launch with Barcelona. We're actually pretty excited about the product, particularly with respect to some of the features that we're going to enable. When we started out with Barcelona, it had a certain feature set. From the time we started out, from the design perspective, the aspects we're going to address, things like virtualization and power, have become more important to the industry. We think its going to have a bigger impact than we originally anticipated.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...ntsrc=hm_topic
Translated:
Our K10 will use less power idle and perform better in a virtualized environment. Besides that we dont have anything to show.
But I guess this performs just aswell as the 2900XT GTX killer and the pricewar 100million parts uber performance 2600XT.
Oh ye, speedbumps is completely overrated. Now lets focus on something else.Is Barcelona going to reverse AMD's recent losses in server market share? I firmly believe it will. A lot of that has to do with this not being just a speed upgrade. If it was just a speed upgrade ... it's a lot more challenging at any point in time to get an advantage and maintain that advantage.
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truth is perception
a statement that you prove right every reply....
Using ATi designs to discredit AMD? Thats a really lame argument. And AMD didnt try to use false benchmarks and shady marketing to sell the HD2900XT at the highest price point. Instead they priced it very competitively. So much so that here in Greece its cheaper even than the 320MB GTS and about 50E cheaper than the 640MB GTS. I'd say that under those circumstances its a winner
Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
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Perhaps but you should probably read the full article
No crap. I wonder what would happen if people just forgot about the R600 fisaco (since AMD didn't develop it - blame ATi) and re-thought how successful AMD could be without that negative thought of a product they didn't develop. I bet you enthusiasm for AMD might be higher...just some people get too wrapped up in speculation and rumors...it's depressing.
Okay, the thing is we don't know how K10 will perform yet. We've got speculated prices, frequencies, and TDP. Keyword: SPECULATED. Just because it's showed up somewhere, doesn't mean it's true. You know what speculation is for? It's purpose usually is to stir up
We all know how secretive AMD is when it comes to a product launch. We're not going to here anything from AMD directly for a while. I think we all know AMD needs to show us something, because all this speculation is killing them.
And the whole thing about R600, it's not AMD's fault. It was too far into design for AMD to have anything to do with it. The R600 does perform well, but power leakage seems the obvious problem.
Also, if you have the thought to bash AMD, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. If you want to bash AMD, start a new thread, and have fun. Just don't do it here. We're discussing Barcelona/Phenom, not bashing.
Without AA
Shader AA just isn't up to the task at the moment...
so hes right without aa
Guys, the R600 and Barcelona have nothing to do with each other besides the fact that both are released by AMD...
KEEP ON TOPIC!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2065634
^^ hope it means there will be some benchmarks soon
i read the full articlePerhaps but you should probably read the full article
shintai only highlights the stuff he thinks is true.... and are the truth to him
if K10 will perform well,he will go nuts and will not believe it,thats for sure
if K10 performs bad, oh well, then this forum is doomed
because he will post everywhere that he was right,and he knew it all along
so for the sake of this forum, let K10 perform well
Feel free to post the part and highlights where you think the K10 will perform very well.
Instead of just complaining. Try something new and use something to argue with, rather that just the "blabla he suck because he dont think my dream company and favoured comapny wont wtfpwn everyone".
And forum doom if K10 performs bad? Oh my...you really think this forum turns around 1 company?
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hehe, i guess my post was too difficult for you
i buy what is best,i dont care if the brand is intel or amd,hell even there was a brand called Shintai i would buy it even if i dislike you
If K10 performs bad, you will post everywhere that you knew it all along, etc etc (damn i hate repeating myself)
the article says this
- Quadcore was not the problem,it was the combo of core enhancements and the transistion to QC
- nice virtualization and power usage features
- upgraded core so better performance
I presume that article also was too difficult for you....
you are the biased one, jumping the gun amd's K10 will perform bad etc,
i hope it will perform well, otherwise there will not be a lot of competition in the cpu market which is bad for (us minus shintai)
Last edited by GoThr3k; 06-29-2007 at 02:20 AM.
You should really get over your personal issues. Its getting bothersome and is degrading for the forum.hehe, i guess my post was too difficult for you
i buy what is best,i dont care if the brand is intel or amd,hell even there was a brand called Shintai i would buy it even if i dislike you
If K10 performs bad, you will post everywhere that you knew it all along, etc etc (damn i hate repeating myself)
the article says this
- Quadcore was not the problem,it was the combo of core enhancements and the transistion to QC
- nice virtualization and power usage features
- upgraded core so better performance
I presume that article also was too difficult for you....
you are the biased one, jumping the gun amd's K10 will perform bad etc,
i hope it will perform well, otherwise there will not be a lot of competition in the cpu market which is bad for (us minus shintai)
If you note, he is not happy to talk about direct performance. And remember he aint an objective view of it. His main focus on virtualization and powersaving features is the thing that worries me. If he had a "conroe killer" so to say, he would be all over the place talking about nothing cept high performance and regain market leadership.
And saying quadcore is not a problem, is a direct counterstatement against some of his own engineers. That said if they knew the MCM approach would be so approved as it did. they would never even have considered native quadcore due to the problems and issues with such a monolith design (283mm2).
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http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...118193,00.html
*Barcelona shipping in standard/low power are "planned for shipment for launch later this summer"
*Shipping in August for revenue, systems equipped with K10 in September
*"launch up to 2.0 Ghz"
*Higher frequencies in Q4
2Ghz..ouch...
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Reminds me of the Opteron launch. Hope the IPC is as good as well, otherwise i dont see how AMD will be able to compete on the desktop
Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
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standard/low power at 1.9-2.0 means that's not the highest clock they could squeeze out of the chips.http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...118193,00.html
*Barcelona shipping in standard/low power are "planned for shipment for launch later this summer"
*Shipping in August for revenue, systems equipped with K10 in September
*"launch up to 2.0 Ghz"
*Higher frequencies in Q4
Though, this is server, most of us want the Desktop part, comming with "higher frequencies in Q4".
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