From Perianders link:
Everything extra is bad!
You didn't say that, you said, "Just like all Core 2 Duos can't hit 3GHz," which is obviously a lie. But you're right about all CPUs being different.Originally Posted by nn_step
Are you guys done yet or you gonna waste up another page with this lame argue ?
Everything extra is bad!
Dud C2D's don't reach 3GHz so technically nn_step is correct. There are always chips that don't even make it into a PC at all & those won't hit 3GHz I guarantee you.
Guys, this isn't being directed towards anyone in particular, but can we please steer away from the bickering and flaming? It's neither necessary or useful to anyone here.
Stay on topic from here on out. Consider this a warning for this thread.
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Besides the fact that they screwed up the HTT details... Sure...
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http://www.lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors/
Modern Ram, makes an old overclocker miss BH-5 and the fun it was
so if that table holds any relevance Kumas over 2.4 GHz will have >65W TDP. dissapointing
standart?
X2 4600+ (2.4 stepping f3+ some f2): 65W
E6850 (3GHz): 65W
What about quadcore, if even dual are more than 65W?
complaining about a couple of watts...
you probably have a vid card eating about 200W,so 10W orso extra on the cpu won't matter much
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I´m sure GPU makers said the same thing when we had netburst, just the other way around.
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what if i had 45W 2600XT, then the 10+W extra would had made difference in system power consumption.
but it´s not big deal, im just saying amd is fond of their efficiency, especially in idle or under semi load, which make sense, you dont stress cpu all the time. they often argument it as an advantage over intel and now new architecture 2.4+GHZ DC CPU´s are going to draw more than 65W.
i expected opposite direction but wont mind it if its a tradeoff for cracking performance. wonder if nortbridge running at higher clocks/voltages than cores has to do anything with it.
I wouldnt consider any info on Phenom that does not come from AMD all that reliable. I'd also like to remind you that AMD does not calculate TDP the same way Intel does.
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Sun is apparently hoping AMD can manage to deliver 2GHz Barcelona parts:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/r...ge_id=20775273
Latest hint at Barcelona clock speed range
http://www.wired.com/science/discove..._supercomputer
"Sun Microsystems announced today that its hardware will power the largest supercomputer ever built, weighing in with 62,976 CPU cores, 125 terabytes of memory, 1.7 petabytes of disk space, and 504 teraflops of performance."
At 4 DP FLOPs per clock cycle 504 TFLOP/s from 62,976 K10
cores works out to the remarkably round number of 2.0 GHz.
dont forget the tdp from amd is the MAX wattage
what is a pc mostly doing? idling
in idle a K8 currently is even more efficient then a C2D
K10 kan lower voltage per core,lower the memory controller voltage, it will be more efficient in idle then any C2D if you ask me, i little higher max TDP or not
and when i look at the name of this forum, extremesystems,i dont think a lot of people will have a 2600XT here, but you are right offcourse
with such low power consuming cards,you have a little differenct picture
Oh hey, here is some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40606
Its theinq, but if its true. Then it spells out major problems making their "native" core. price is high, performance seems low and wattage is way way up.
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I'm not sure it's a good idea to post those kind of informations from inquirer.
high price, low frequency, high tdp alot to discuss if the informations was from a trusted source...
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I don't know why you guys are complaining about prices of Barcelona series 2xxx. Probably you are comparing it with Single Socket C2Q or Single Socket Opteron?? I hoped everyone knows that for 2-way or 8-way CPUs you paying EXTRA!
BTW. For me launch price of slowest Barcelona is very good (low). Let me ask for comparison what was initial price for slowest C2D on launch (dual core)??
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Well it's from Mike, not Charlie so I would actually regard it as more reliable than the usual crap from the Inq. Reliable at least in terms of the Sept 10 date and the speeds (1.9 and 2.0) to be introduced at that point as I suspect that is based on what they already have from a current stepping. The rest likely depends on an upcoming stepping and likely the product of more hope than certainty.
To be fair we're talking about DP and MP parts here, so the pricing is not that far out of line, really. Dunno about those TDPs though, not good if true.
right.....
Since you know how K10 performs
and wattage seems good...
don't forget its quadcore you are talking about.....
95W 1.9Ghz K10, or 120W 2.4-2.5Ghz?right.....
Since you know how K10 performs
and wattage seems good...
don't forget its quadcore you are talking about.....
Or get a 50W 2Ghz Xeon? Or 3Ghz 120W?
Unlike you, I dont expect K10 to be the reincarnation of god on earth.
But seems we have to wait a few months yet for the final results.
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