Whats up with the Aquaduct?

[Top Nurse]

oh wait... your telling me the side alu has contact with the coolant? So its mixing metals then?

Blah this might change everything then. I was hopping it was just a bling. But if its touching the alu and your going to mix metals.


Honestly my intentions in this product was exactly like iany says. Dual it up with 2 aquaducts. Make them look like speakers on a HTPC. Have one do the CPU/BOARD, The other GFX cards. It would look dayam professional and hella nice, but if its mixing metals.

We have recently seen the downfall of another closely held false belief related to tubing size. I can tell you there are thousands of people world wide who are doing this day in and day out with no problems.

Before you go on about heavy mixtures of automotive concoctions to keep this from happening let me tell you about the AC Fluid additive I use (and comes with this kit). I mix 98% distilled water and 2% of AC Fluid together. As you can imagine a 2% mix of just about anything isn't going to seriously degrade the cooling potential of water.

AC Fluid is a pure anti-corrosion product. It doesn't do anything, but prevent corrosion. Another similar product is InnovaProtect from Innovatek. Do you really think that two of the largest producers of water cooling equipment in the world would be selling aluminum and copper based systems if they thought there was the slightest chance in hell that there would be corrosion? In Europe manufacturers have to warranty their products for a minimum of two years per the European Union.

So as I posted elsewhere today please believe me that there isn't any corrosion in my Aqua Computer systems and give me the benefit of the doubt till someone "proves" what I am talking about. It probably doesn't matter to you, but AC uses a company to do their hard anodizing, that is primarily involved in the medical field and has extremely high standards about their processes. They don't use the plating company down the street that does the cheapest job.

BTW, you guys got a lot more moula than I do if your thinking of a pair of Aquaduct's for a HTPC.

[Aqua-Pc's]

Looking good TN but we need more pics

[Top Nurse]

Looking good TN but we need more pics

I gotta job right now to fix my brothers computer. A HD died a violent death (Seagate) and it should be done tonight sometime. Then a day to clean up the place before I void my warranty.

[Aqua-Pc's]

Yeh cant wait to see what they have done inside it!

[sc00p]

Maybe I'm blind but theseeker didn't have any temps from oced system?
(and for the convenience can I ask for using CoreTemp0.95 readings)... yeah, I know I barked that CoreTemp elsewhere

EDIT: yes I'm blind he said E6600@3.7GHz was 46~47c... ummm...
...no mention about ambient temps...

[serialk11r]

Well at least the tubes were made of polyurethane...

[NaeKuh]

okey im sorry i promised i wouldnt flame and would wait patiently for results.

But your saying mixing metals is okey?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=mixing+metals

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=mixing+metals

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=80


So no... im sorry TN, aquaPC is feeding you a load of crap when they say its OKEY.

Can you verify the annodizing on it? can you tell us the electo processes in which you annodized the alu?

Can you offer warrenty if it ever does corrode?

Theres TOO many accidents that happen because of mixing metals, that its best to stay away from it completely.

And i think marci sums it up the best with this quote:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...nium+corrosion ...says it all.
Manufacturers cannot account for the idiot factor (aka net-clue-factor to coin Cathar's way of saying it). If you can't account for the idiot factor, don't build items that an idiot cannot use correctly..

[lee143]

I see this explanation all over this forum. Why are you saying otherwise TN?

[ranker]

I see this explanation all over this forum. Why are you saying otherwise TN?

Because it's Aqua Computers and she'll do anything to defend the product. It's the typical "I bought it, so it must be awesome in every regard" type of mentality.

I'm with Naekuh on this. Using mixed metals is inefficient in many regards. Not only does it absolutely require you to run anti corrosives, which lower the efficiency of your cooling solution, but also requires you to monitor your equipment to ensure corrosion hasn't occurred. There are some companies that use well documented plating techniques and gives you somewhat some peace of mind but anodizing is easily ruined by the slightest scratch.

You'd think with something of that cost, they'd at least use a copper/brass solution to give you the most bang for your buck. But, I guess some companies will do what they can to short change the user. At least Aqua Computers didn't put out a BS test trying to top copper/brass radiators like Koolance did.

[IanY]

Because it's Aqua Computers and she'll do anything to defend the product. It's the typical "I bought it, so it must be awesome in every regard" type of mentality.

I'm with Naekuh on this. Using mixed metals is inefficient in many regards. Not only does it absolutely require you to run anti corrosives, which lower the efficiency of your cooling solution, but also requires you to monitor your equipment to ensure corrosion hasn't occurred. There are some companies that use well documented plating techniques and gives you somewhat some peace of mind but anodizing is easily ruined by the slightest scratch.

You'd think with something of that cost, they'd at least use a copper/brass solution to give you the most bang for your buck. But, I guess some companies will do what they can to short change the user. At least Aqua Computers didn't put out a BS test trying to top copper/brass radiators like Koolance did.

No defending anything or anybody here. However, do I not get the same accusations lobbied at me regarding Swiftech products ? Aren't I known as the fanboy that because its Swiftech, it must be great ? Granted, I buy every darn thing, but that's besides the point lol

I know everyone has given Swiftech their fair share of grief about mixed metals, but don't we all nevertheless shut one eye when it comes to the Apogee GTX ?

Just trying to be objective here.

[Top Nurse]

okey im sorry i promised i wouldnt flame and would wait patiently for results.

I guess a mans word is his bond has gone out of favor.

But your saying mixing metals is okey?

Unfortunately the answer is yes and no. If you RTFM it simply isn't a problem. BTW, AC isn't the only one that has aluminum in their wc equipment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion

Read further down under Protection. Shield the metals to keep the reaction from occuring. AC Fluid ring a bell? Medical grade hard anodizing ring a bell?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=mixing+metals

Sorry, but if you read the whole thread you will see that the OP ran it without an anti-corrosive protection. Furthermore I claim shenanigans on those pics. Now just how in the hell did that gooey looking stuff grow all the way across a tube that had water flowing through it? I think someone dropped that in a beaker and added some juice to make a point.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=mixing+metals

So WTF does that thread have to do with the subject of mixing metals? That guy got some oxidation of a copper block...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=80

A responsible manufacturer would include a note in with every block clearly stating that an anticorrosive additive MUST be used.

See above about RTFM.

So no... im sorry TN, aquaPC is feeding you a load of crap when they say its OKEY.

I think you mean Aqua Computers, correct? AquaPC is a member of this forum and is a dealer in water cooling parts. How many squirrels does it take to hide away a months supply of chestnuts? I guess it is back to being called liar's and charlatans, heh?

Can you verify the annodizing on it? can you tell us the electo processes in which you annodized the alu?

Nope, but I have no need to know because it ing works.

I can't about the process used, but on the [H]ardForum their is a thread about this where someone from AC commented on where they have the hard anodizing done. IIRC it is a company called A.G. Rhodes whose primary operations is in working with medical grade processes. From what I recall they spend about 5-7 Euro's a part to have their hard anodizing done. They don't use the local yokels plating company down the street that charges 0.5 Euro's per part due to QC issues.

Can you offer warrenty if it ever does corrode?

Nope because I'm not the manufacturer. I'm just a user, but as I pointed out all manufacturers of consumer equipment in the EU have to warranty their products for two (2) years IIRC.

Theres TOO many accidents that happen because of mixing metals, that its best to stay away from it completely.

Now where is my ostrich pic when I need it. Conversely there are way to many traffic fatalities and serious accidents associated with driving cars as well. Are you also suggesting that you do not drive as well? Of course not because the chances of getting hit while doing everything your supposed to do is minimal.

BTW, I don't give a rats ass what happens to someone else's loop because the couldn't RTFM. Besides we are talking about my loop, right? If you look at the link above for theseeker's box you will see that he has been mixing metals for about three years now. Guess what? No corrosion....

So please start another thread if you want to turn the flame on.

I see this explanation all over this forum. Why are you saying otherwise TN?

See above...

[ranker]

Don't get in between someone who loves their AC... sheesh.

My interpretation of the above "Torpedoes be damned! Ramming speed! Full speed ahead!"

[NickS]

Looks pretty sweet

NaeKuh and ranker, will you two stfu? Seriously, it's getting REALLY REALLY old.

[Angry_Steel]

Yea I have to say it gets a little old hearing the same things over and over, I mean come on, theres like what, 1 guy out of maybe 100 that has problems with galvanic corrosion because he didnt properly read up on using proper additives?

Europe is full of people using Aluminum and copper together and if it was such a horrible thing and there were so many failures dont you think that word of mouth would eventually spread and companies would just die? Giving a warning that the potential is there if you dont use a proper additive is one thing, beating a dead horse into hamburger is entirely another, and I daresay exaggerating the dangers to phobic proportions.

Personally I think its south of ugly but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and you cant argue with the craftsmanship. Really needs a proper review and a comparison with the most popular blocks. Problem I imagine is finding someone with both setups in the house at the same time

[rogueagent6]

I guess a mans word is his bond has gone out of favor.

Your maturity, or lack thereof amuses me.

Unfortunately the answer is yes and no. If you RTFM it simply isn't a problem. BTW, AC isn't the only one that has aluminum in their wc equipment.

Your point is?

Read further down under Protection. Shield the metals to keep the reaction from occuring. AC Fluid ring a bell? Medical grade hard anodizing ring a bell?

Anodizing wears out, additives don't last forever...

Sorry, but if you read the whole thread you will see that the OP ran it without an anti-corrosive protection. Furthermore I claim shenanigans on those pics. Now just how in the hell did that gooey looking stuff grow all the way across a tube that had water flowing through it? I think someone dropped that in a beaker and added some juice to make a point.

Good job, way to make enemies.

I think you mean Aqua Computers, correct? AquaPC is a member of this forum and is a dealer in water cooling parts. How many squirrels does it take to hide away a months supply of chestnuts? I guess it is back to being called liar's and charlatans, heh?

Since you obviously haven't figured it out, this is XtremeSystems... We will strive to achieve that last 1-2 C.

Nope, but I have no need to know because it ing works.

Since you're so sure, you care to back it up with factual data?

I can't about the process used, but on the [H]ardForum their is a thread about this where someone from AC commented on where they have the hard anodizing done. IIRC it is a company called A.G. Rhodes whose primary operations is in working with medical grade processes. From what I recall they spend about 5-7 Euro's a part to have their hard anodizing done. They don't use the local yokels plating company down the street that charges 0.5 Euro's per part due to QC issues.

Fair enough.

Nope because I'm not the manufacturer. I'm just a user, but as I pointed out all manufacturers of consumer equipment in the EU have to warranty their products for two (2) years IIRC.

If I remember correctly, all the components I've ever purchased have been warrantied for longer than two years. Now, if that AC product fails outside of the warranty and takes other components out because it failed, what are you going to do? If I paid what you did for that setup, I would expect it to be warrantied for at least as long as a CPU/Video card/Hard drive.

Now where is my ostrich pic when I need it. Conversely there are way to many traffic fatalities and serious accidents associated with driving cars as well. Are you also suggesting that you do not drive as well? Of course not because the chances of getting hit while doing everything your supposed to do is minimal.

No, but flying is statistically safer than driving. That's what I liken your argument to. There are less factors in play in a custom brass/copper system than your AC setup, therefore fewer chances for failure.

BTW, I don't give a rats ass what happens to someone else's loop because the couldn't RTFM. Besides we are talking about my loop, right? If you look at the link above for theseeker's box you will see that he has been mixing metals for about three years now. Guess what? No corrosion....

So please start another thread if you want to turn the flame on.

I think you already turned it on.

[Top Nurse]

1. Your maturity, or lack thereof amuses me.
2. Your point is?
3. Anodizing wears out, additives don't last forever...
4. Good job, way to make enemies.
5. Since you obviously haven't figured it out, this is XtremeSystems... We will strive to achieve that last 1-2 C.
6. Since you're so sure, you care to back it up with factual data?
7. Fair enough.
8. If I remember correctly, all the components I've ever purchased have been warrantied for longer than two years. Now, if that AC product fails outside of the warranty and takes other components out because it failed, what are you going to do? If I paid what you did for that setup, I would expect it to be warrantied for at least as long as a CPU/Video card/Hard drive.
9. No, but flying is statistically safer than driving. That's what I liken your argument to. There are less factors in play in a custom brass/copper system than your AC setup, therefore fewer chances for failure.
10. I think you already turned it on.

1. Glad your amused so easily.
2. It should have been obvious. What part of it don't you understand?
3. As I said before RTFM If it wears out in the next 5-10 years who cares? Besides it isn't in a wear environment.
4. I call them the way I see them.
5. Well actually it wasn't 1-2 C. I was just being nice. What we (those who run this kind of equipment) have actually seen is a 1 to 1.5 C difference. Those who have made real life observations think that it appears to be closer to about 1 C. See various links and posts in this thread. Besides do you really think that a 1 C difference will make any difference in the ability to use your computer? See the post a few back from R1ckCa1n.
6. Several thousand users that haven't had a problem. In Europe the mixing of metals is almost commonplace. Here in the states it is gaining ground because what you are saying has been proven time and time again by the users themselves that have tried it. What else do you want? I actually have three metals in my loop (silver, aluminum, and copper).
7. See, you can add 1 and 1 and make 2.
8. I could care less as I'm not connected with the manufacturer or their distribution network in any way. Besides your issue is one of value. Personally I think gold is crap and prefer platinum, but that doesn't mean gold is crap to everyone else. Sounds to me like this isn't your cup of tea so don't buy it. However, don't dis it just because you don't like it's look or it doesn't hold to your belief system.
9. Your the one talking about chance. I'm the one talking about the way it is.
10. Oh well, it will make for an interesting thread. What cracks me up is that every time there is one of these kinds of threads on the internet the AC distributors in the English speaking world say that sales take a sharp up turn. Those AC guys in Germany have had to buy four more CNC's since December 2006 just to keep up with the demand.

[ranker]

Well actually it wasn't 1-2 C. I was just being nice. What we (those who run this kind of equipment) have actually seen is a 1 to 1.5 C difference. Those who have made real life observations think that it appears to be closer to about 1 C. See various links and posts in this thread. Besides do you really think that a 1 C difference will make any difference in the ability to use your computer? See the post a few back from R1ckCa1n.

1C difference from what? A superstar Thermochill/Laing/D-Tek/Swiftech build? or from the venerable Thermaltake rigs?

Several thousand users that haven't had a problem. In Europe the mixing of metals is almost commonplace. Here in the states it is gaining ground because what you are saying has been proven time and time again by the users themselves that have tried it. What else do you want? I actually have three metals in my loop (silver, aluminum, and copper).

How does the lack of interaction between Silver and Copper make your point?

I could care less as I'm not connected with the manufacturer or their distribution network in any way. Besides your issue is one of value. Personally I think gold is crap and prefer platinum, but that doesn't mean gold is crap to everyone else. Sounds to me like this isn't your cup of tea so don't buy it. However, don't dis it just because you don't like it's look or it doesn't hold to your belief system.

Just like how you've been giving your opinions "freely" on other people's equipment which you have admitted to not having used, what makes your equipment so special that he's not allowed to voice his comments on it?

Oh well, it will make for an interesting thread. What cracks me up is that every time there is one of these kinds of threads on the internet the AC distributors in the English speaking world say that sales take a sharp up turn. Those AC guys in Germany have had to buy four more CNC's since December 2006 just to keep up with the demand.

Glad to be of service. They'll need all the help they can get.

[RickCain]

Can we get back on topic? The thread is about showing the forum a new product not Ranker versus AC.

This piece of hardware is truely incredible. I actually am in the middle taking it apart to see how they crammed so much hardware in this thing. Only camplaint is I would like to have no pump included so it can really shine. That is my "plan b", to remove the existing pump and introduce a DDC1.

[Top Nurse]

Can we get back on topic? The thread is about showing the forum a new product not Ranker versus AC.

This piece of hardware is truely incredible. I actually am in the middle taking it apart to see how they crammed so much hardware in this thing. Only camplaint is I would like to have no pump included so it can really shine. That is my "plan b", to remove the existing pump and introduce a DDC1.

Exactly what I had in mind if my flow meter mods don't pan out. Check out the thread I started on the AC English forum for some clues about how to take it apart.

BTW, I'm wondering if the serial port connector uses all available pins. If it doesn't it might be possible to run the Poweradjust wiring through the connector block.

[Gunlance]

It looks purty!

[RickCain]

Check out the thread I started on the AC English forum for some clues about how to take it apart.

Mine is in about 50 peices right now......... You want to remove the two side columns and the rest is pretty easy. Getting it back together is a whole different animal.

[Top Nurse]

Mine is in about 50 peices right now......... You want to remove the two side columns and the rest is pretty easy. Getting it back together is a whole different animal.

Sounds like you did it wrong. Your supposed to take off the aluminum "aquaduct top" first and make sure you unattach the Aquaero LED. Then you take off the back plate by unscrewing the fan bolts. Next you raise the front panel till you can get to the innards according to Stephan. I don't think taking off the side tanks are a good idea.

[SiGfever]

Gentlemen and ladies, this thread could not get further off track. A product is being shown some will like and others may not. We all have the right to decide for ourselves if this product is something that we are interested in. I like the looks and the "features" such as the Aquaero and Aquasuite software. It is hard to disagree with the fact that AC makes some nice looking stuff.

Now mixing metal is something that I have not been comfortable with in the past but with advances in anodizing I am willing to rethink my position. So let TN get on with her thread and the facts will speak for themselves. Is this "Xtreme"? Maybe yes, maybe no, but it obviously fits a niche for some. JMO

[newls1]

Guys.......Let hold off on the arguing with each other, this product isn't worth internet fighting TOP NURSE, if you have the time, and or chance, could you please test this using a QUAD CORE with 1.5+Vcore and a OC of 3.5GHz or greater

[buffbiff21]

^ I second that (both parts). I want to see temperatures.

I also want to see a couple 8800GTXs in the loop as well, and maybe a northbridge and a southbridge if that's possible, as it was with my PA120.3.