Koolance's Response to Hardware Labs "The Copper Radiator Myth"

[SDatl404]

That is why we are in agreement that the Koolance tests and its operating parameters are inapplicable, Cathar. It was Marci who was thanking them for Thermochill rads showing superior(?) results over the Black Ice GTStealth when said results would show otherwise.

That is also why as a policy, with the exception of Koolance, we don't play this sniping game. Its simply unethical.

It's about proving your product is superior. Do some "Real World" tests. Grab the best radiators from every corner and let them battle. Unless you have something to hide?

Personally I like BIX the best, because koolance is too proprietary. But it does perform the best so hopfully they will make a more standerdized radiator for us.

[elfy]

Grab the best radiators from every corner and let them battle. Unless you have something to hide?

gimme the money and i'll do the tests, unless /you/ have something to hide

[SDatl404]

Eh he's a Koolance fanboy, no use :P

Is it just me or did I look into the radiators of cars at a car dealer and saw BRASS and COPPER???

What do they sell for cars as upgrades??? Aluminum race radiator... Shhhh...

True, they proved their rads work better in an environment that has nothing to do with PC cooling. They pump 85 degree C water through it (which I hope NEVER happens in a PC loop!) and used over 300CFM of air (which would take earblasting fans to do). If that is what you use your rads for, then by all means, use the koolance rads

LoL.. If they perfom better that high up why wouldn't they perform better down low? Most of the people around here are all," Thermochill does best like this and best like that". For some reason they keep losing. So I am starting to think thermochills are all HYPE. Hype that most people areound here just bought into because all the "COOL" people liked them. Every test I have seen on a thermochill is unrealistic testing as well. Can anyone point out a REAL WORLD thermochill test? Maybe even one that battled koolance againest a thermochill? NOPE! Probably because thermochill is scared to mess with the king of cool.

[elfy]

What do they sell for cars as upgrades??? Aluminum race radiator... Shhhh...



LoL.. If they perfom better that high up why wouldn't ther perform better down low? Most of the people around here are all," Thermochill do best like this and best like that". For some reason they keep losing. So I am starting to think thermochill are all HYPE. That most people areound here just bought into because all the "COOL" people liked them. Every test I have seen on a thermochill is unrealistic testing as well. Can anyone point out a REAL WORLD thermochill test? Maybe even one that battled againest a thermochill? Probably because thermochill is scared to mess with the king of cool.

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[SDatl404]

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I only see thermochill temps. Then pressure drops comparisons. That means nothing without direct temp comparisons.

[elfy]

I only see thermochill temps. Then pressure drops comparisons. That means nothing without direct temp comparisons.

read it again, there's a big list of delta temps, differences between temp of water and temp of air. small delta t means the coolant is closer to air temp than large delta t

[SDatl404]

Because they aren't optimized for it? Just because something works really well at high airflow and high temps doesn't mean that will perform the same at low airflow and lower temps. Same goes with the other way. The thermochills (and Marci said this himself, or Cathar, I forget which) don't see any performance benefit above about 130CFM. Why? Because they have been optimized for lower airflow fans. And as for water temp, like I said, I hope you never have that hot of water flowing in your loop

Wish for it all you want, but there is no way that koolance is the "king of cool". BTW, I'm not a thermochill user, I have a swiftech rad. If it makes any difference. I'm not biased towards a thermochill since I've never owned one. But from all the other testing I've seen the thermochill wins until you get to really high airflow fans, then the margins disappear and others start taking the lead (IIRC the GTX pulls ahead at high airflow).

I wouldn't be worried about having hot water in my loop with a koolance. Now with a thermochill I would be quite fearfull for the safety of my pc.

You have admitted yourself that thermochills are inferior for performance based applications! Putting silence aside.

As far as the brass/copper rads in cars, I really doubt you saw that in a new car. They almost exclusively use aluminum radiators.....weight considerations. A brass/copper rad would be just too darned heavy these days in the gas mileage consciousness of car design. You may still see auto trans aux. coolers with brass/copper designs, but even these are mostly aluminum.

Heck, to save weight, more than one auto maker has moved to plastic intake manifolds.....lighter than aluminum and easier to mold.



As for the Koolance fanboi, even around the big city of Atlanta, there are still hicks from the sticks who refuse to believe truth, even when beaten over the head with it. Shames me to even think he's from the same state I occupy.

Please show me this truth your talking about? Sounds to me like your talking about yourself, based on the article at the begining of this thread. Easy with the TC pride bbboooyy.

[Sparky]

I wouldn't be worried about having hot water in my loop with a koolance. Now with a thermochill I would be quite fearfull for the safety of my pc.

LOL sure.... Just make sure to attach your 3 meter fan with 300+ cfm and 60 decibels of noise to it Oh, and don't forget your anti-corrosion stuff, that alu doesn't get along with copper blocks very well

You have admitted yourself that thermochills are inferior for performance based applications! Putting silence aside.

That's fine. I have no problem with that. But if people want something quiet - which many do, not everyone likes a leafblower for their PC - then thermochill is the way to go.

[SDatl404]

LOL sure.... Just make sure to attach your 3 meter fan with 300+ cfm and 60 decibels of noise to it Oh, and don't forget your anti-corrosion stuff, that alu doesn't get along with copper blocks very well



That's fine. I have no problem with that. But if people want something quiet - which many do, not everyone likes a leafblower for their PC - then thermochill is the way to go.

I am happy that we agree on this

When you're at the race track the cars, that are fast, aren't quiet

[Sparky]

LoL.. If they perfom better that high up why wouldn't ther perform better down low? Most of the people around here are all," Thermochill do best like this and best like that". For some reason they keep losing. So I am starting to think thermochill are all HYPE. That most people areound here just bought into because all the "COOL" people liked them. Every test I have seen on a thermochill is unrealistic testing as well. Can anyone point out a REAL WORLD thermochill test? Maybe even one that battled againest a thermochill? Probably because thermochill is scared to mess with the king of cool.

Because they aren't optimized for it? Just because something works really well at high airflow and high temps doesn't mean that will perform the same at low airflow and lower temps. Same goes with the other way. The thermochills (and Marci said this himself, or Cathar, I forget which) don't see any performance benefit above about 130CFM. Why? Because they have been optimized for lower airflow fans. And as for water temp, like I said, I hope you never have that hot of water flowing in your loop

Wish for it all you want, but there is no way that koolance is the "king of cool". BTW, I'm not a thermochill user, I have a swiftech rad. If it makes any difference. I'm not biased towards a thermochill since I've never owned one. But from all the other testing I've seen the thermochill wins until you get to really high airflow fans, then the margins disappear and others start taking the lead (IIRC the GTX pulls ahead at high airflow).