For those of you who love a good read on how some people will defend the likes of Koolance/TT/Innovatek and Aqua Computers to the death through propagation of misinformation...
Please read: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1193634
Grab some popcorn folks. Lot of pissing contests inside. It's a shame that informed people like Arcygenical, Erasmus, Bio-Hazard and ikellensbro get drowned out by the misinformed few on [H] forums at times.
(thread created to avoid hi-jacking other thread)
Last edited by ranker; 05-28-2007 at 03:07 PM.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
We should create something like that over here.. closer to home.
I'd love for them to come over here but the misinformed ones over there keep dissing this forum and refuse to come over.Originally Posted by IanY
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
The folks over at the [H] are mostly "KIDS" and coc*y S.O.B's for the most part. That is why I joined here back in 2005. People here are just WAY MORE MATURE! bottom line! Hell, if it wasn't for the folks here, my WaterKeg never would have been thought up...I Love you guys
Nothing anymore
I am very glad I deleted my other thread because some of the remarks were uncalled for. Look carefully, the debate is between people who freqiuent this forum. At first, I thought it was typically [H], but what disgusts me even more is that it INVOLVES ONE OF THE XIPS IN HERE.
I see what you mean. Why not make references to here? This is one of the best forums around right now.
Core i7 920 D0 B-batch (4.1) (Kinda Stable?) | DFI X58 T3eH8 (Fed up with its' issues, may get a new board soon) | Patriot 1600 (9-9-9-24) (for now) | XFX HD 4890 (971/1065) (for now) |
80GB X25-m G2 | WD 640GB | PCP&C 750 | Dell 2408 LCD | NEC 1970GX LCD | Win7 Pro | CoolerMaster ATCS 840 {Modded to reverse-ATX, WC'ing internal}
CPU Loop: MCP655 > HK 3.0 LT > ST 320 (3x Scythe G's) > ST Res >Pump
GPU Loop: MCP655 > MCW-60 > PA160 (1x YL D12SH) > ST Res > BIP 220 (2x YL D12SH) >Pump
I really dig the alternate viewpoint. The quality of a water block shows through, although its less effective in cooling a cpu. Less cooling doesn't matter in the face of aesthetics
Did I tell you guys that I think those Koolance units on top of the V-series Lian Lis look very very slick?
Last edited by IanY; 05-28-2007 at 03:08 PM.
True, but there are a few of us (I recently joined) that are trying to help the community in general but some days it feels like a losing battle over there. I really appreciate the likes of people like Arcygenical, Erasmus, and ikellensbro that try to make a difference on those forums. Too bad the "i know better than all of you, damn the facts" type of people over there have held that forum hostage to Koolance/Aqua Computers/ TT/ Innovatek/etc.The folks over at the [H] are mostly "KIDS" and coc*y S.O.B's for the most part. That is why I joined here back in 2005. People here are just WAY MORE MATURE! bottom line! Hell, if it wasn't for the folks here, my WaterKeg never would have been thought up...I Love you guys
Just read the topics/posts made by Top Nurse alone. The ignorance scares me.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
And what about your posts?
Hey.. don't bring that bickering here.
Scan all of my posts made over on those forums. I assist everyone for any given situation they may have without the same old "Buy Aqua Computers". Give me a reason to recommend Aqua Computers. Performance? Nope, can't compete at all. Price/Performance? Nope not in that category either.And what about your posts?
The same mantra pushed by you and that small vocal minority is "Buy AC, damn the torpedoes!." Most store owners try to keep a healthy dose of objectivity and distance to the products they sell. There's a reason why Petra's is so popular. They don't try the "hard sell" on you nor "up sell" you at every turn.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
It is nice to have options, that is for sure!I really dig the alternate viewpoint. The quality of a water block shows through, although its less effective in cooling a cpu. Less cooling doesn't matter in the face of aesthetics
Did I tell you guys that I think those Koolance units on top of the V-series Lian Lis look very very slick?
If you like the Kioolance unit you would have loved the V-Series case that was being created to house an entire Aqua Computer loop. It was based on the V1000 series case. Only problem was it only allowed for a 120.1 radiator.
Sorry - i didn't
see...
Im just taking an intrest and adding to a debate.
Just leave them to it, you can't help those who do not wish to be helped.
I'm happy knowing I have the best performing blocks, pumps and radiators in my case.
I don't get all this fancy control crap though. Don't know about you but at 7v fans cool the radiator enough through hell and back and my motherboard will shut down my system if the pump fails.
Heck, I can even script ATi Tray Tools to shut down the system if the GPU reaches certain temperatures.
Aqua-PC's - no offence but you're not actually going to recomend anything other than what your shop stocks, so really the ignorance point is going to be moot.
If it ain't watercooled, I don't wanna know.
WTF??? I have kept quiet on this topic up until now.
I think people have mistakenly associated "Aqua-PCs" with "Aquacomputer". Have you people even visited the Aqua-Pc store????? They stock one of the widest range of watercooling equipment in the UK, including D-tek, Swiftech, EK, Aqua-computer etc., etc.
On another point - i still dont see how anyone can compare ThermalTake quality to Aqua-computer! Its like comparing a Lada with a Rolls Royce.. Ranker i think you will find people are responding the way they are due to the forceful tone of some of your posts. You can sound like an Evangelical preacher of the D-tek & Swiftech church. Chill out!
Last edited by Cyprio; 05-28-2007 at 03:43 PM.
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No offence taken, its not the point that people like me (resellers/manufactures) that could be seen to have biased intrest in set product / brands but we also have water-cooled rigs at home and our own experiances with them that leads to the opions we have without being related to our store / brand.
and get this (ranker will probably faint) i dont just use AC in my rigs i have Danger Den, EK and Aquaextreme loops to
I collapsed.No offence taken, its not the point that people like me (resellers/manufactures) that could be seen to have biased intrest in set product / brands but we also have water-cooled rigs at home and our own experiances with them that leads to the opions we have without being related to our store / brand.
and get this (ranker will probably faint) i dont just use AC in my rigs i have Danger Den, EK and Aquaextreme loops to
Nice PR recovery though.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
ROFL after the first page I think I'm gonna vomit...I'm wondering if I should read more.I collapsed.
Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - Core i5 2410m, 4gb
waiting on 28nm video cards...
Ranker, I admire your tenacity and you made solid arguments but ultimately it's a terrible thread that doesn't reflect well on anyone. Here is part of the OP's last post...
BTW, I use an Aquaero, DDC Pumps, and Swiftech blocks... Great combo!Like ranker said, you two should really stop this pissing match, and stick to the area's your good with. Ranker with high-performance parts, R1cK with the silent/aesthetic parts. Both of you have information to offer everyone, but you two need to stop turning threads into pissing matches, it doesnt help nearly as much as you could.
Just wait. Read more. It gets better. More people jump in and defend Koolance/Aqua Computers. Then the few educated try to reason with them. Then you get Mr. Aqua PC's here trying to pimp AC gear on the notion that AC products are superior. The last few pages are pure gold.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
Awesome, yet another thing to be distracted with
Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - Core i5 2410m, 4gb
waiting on 28nm video cards...
Put the hand bag down, he is the largest stockest of Aquacomputer products, hence why they G1/4 tap inventory for him.WTF??? I have kept quiet on this topic up until now.
I think people have mistakenly associated "Aqua-PCs" with "Aquacomputer". Have you people even visited the Aqua-Pc store????? They stock one of the widest range of watercooling equipment in the UK, including D-tek, Swiftech, EK, Aqua-computer etc., etc.
If it ain't watercooled, I don't wanna know.
Oh I knew that as the thread wound on. However, I just refuse to swallow a lot of that BS that was being thrown around like it was the Gospel Truth.Ranker, I admire your tenacity and you made solid arguments but ultimately it's a terrible thread that doesn't reflect well on anyone. Here was the OP's last post...
BTW, I use an Aquaero, DDC Pumps, and Swiftech blocks... Great combo!
That being said, there's nothing wrong with the Aquaero nor their control products. I was intrigued myself. It's their blocks, radiators, and general FUD spreading mentality that has me so invigorated and up in arms.
Last edited by ranker; 05-28-2007 at 03:44 PM.
MM Extended U2-UFO CYO (Duality front, Standard back, Horizontal Mobo brace) Anodized Black || eVGA X58 || Intel i7 920 || 6 GB Corsair Dominator PC3-12800|| eVGA 295GTX || Asus Xonar Essence STX || VisionTek 650 TV Tuner || 1 300GB WD Velociraptor || 1TB WD's Black Ed. || LG 22X DVD-Writer || Lite-On 20x DVD-Writer || Corsair CMPSU-1000HX PSU
CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
2 x Dell 2408FPW LCD || Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 || Logitech G9 Mouse || Logitech G15 LCD Keyboard || Logitech Quickcam Ultravision || Sennheiser Headphones
Agreed. Like you said off the top.... XS is a great community... [H] has it's place, but not when it comes to performance water cooling.
Without sounding patronising why would i need to advertise on the [H] forums like that - if they all love the small bore kit im sure they know where to get it from. On the other side of the coin I don’t need to bother you have just gone over two forums spreading the word for me.
(Thanks)
But again I’m not here to pimp my store / products etc I’m here to offer help with water-cooling as it’s my job and I have a fair amount of knowledge that I can use to help others.
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