False information in the articles: No UVD in R600

[DilTech]

Not my problem at the moment I am going by what I am told by tech support.
I am going to wait and see if this all pans out or not.

Wouldn't be the first time tech support has lied, no?

This will likely end up interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised to see ATi/AMD just ignore it entirely and blame it on the vendors like GeCube and HIS who claim their parts have it, which honestly, I'd agree with them... Obvious AMD made it clear the R600 doesn't carry it or all partners would claim to have it, not just a few.

[v_rr]

8.38 RC7 drivers were published yesterday to press and I tried decoding HD-DVD decoding with Radeon HD 2900 XT today. HD-DVD movie with H.264 codec was completely corrupted with Cyberlink PowerDVD and Avivo acceleration. With VC-1 HD-DVD movie CPU load dropped a little bit compared to 8.37 drivers (55 % -> 46%) but it's still alot worse than with 8800 Ultra and 8600 GTS (31 - 33 % CPU Load).

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

[gdogg]

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

Wouldn't it be something if UVD version was needed to make the avivo features in powerdvd work for the hd2900 xt . Glad to see this be announced.

Just need some testing done now

[cadaveca]

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

only works on 2600/2400 series.

[DilTech]

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

Taipei, Taiwan----May 25, 2007----CyberLink Corp. (5203.TW), a world leader in digital home solutions, announces today that PowerDVD Ultra〞the leading high-definition movie playback software - now supports AMD UVDㄗUnified Video Decoderㄘtechnology on the newly released ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 series and ATI Radeon 2600 series graphics cards.

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra with support for AMD UVD Technology on ATI Radeon™ HD 2300, ATI Radeon HD 2400 and ATI Radeon HD 2600 series graphics cards, is available online starting from May 16, 2007.

Further confirmation that UVD is not on the R600.

[cadaveca]

lol. that's not what my "support ticket" says.

[v_rr]

only works on 2600/2400 series.

I said try or I missed something?
I think that it worth the work.

[cadaveca]

I DID try..even bought and paid for the software...still high cpu usage.

This is not acceptable...in a HTPC, UVD would ensure that a lesser cpu than a Core2 can handle HD content. I have a celeron 347, BluRay palyer, and 2900XT in one HTPC...it cannot currently play HD content, whether video from the player, or downloadable content.


the hardware that supports this software has almost a month before it even hits shelves...which makes this release questionable...the only reason for such a release is becasue someone thinks it's needed now...but it still doesn't work.

Could be driver...I'll say that much...but CURRENTLY it does not work.

Beleive me, I have tried everything, including being in contact with ATI over this, and many other issues that I have experienced.

I didn't care that this card might be slower than G80 because it offered these extra features...and none of them work. ATI has completely lost thier edge on the competition.

[Soulburner]

So, return it or sell it and get a 2600.

[DilTech]

So, return it or sell it and get a 2600.

He shouldn't have to... He was misled by the box saying it had something it didn't. Technically, that's against the law.

Returning it would incur a restocking fee and he'd lose money due to shipping, selling it he'd lose money on both shipping and however much less he's forced to sell it for from what he paid for it.

In the end, he'd lose money because a company lied to him about what the product did and didn't have.

[Eastcoasthandle]

What is not making sense to me is ATI's web page that states:

HD decode acceleration for H.264/AVC, VC-1, DivX and MPEG-2 video formats

What specific HD decode acceleration are they talking about here? I understand if unified shaders do the work but why is it so specific? U/S doesn't specifically accelerate H.264/AVC, VC-1 (if I get the term correct). It would be the end all of every dvd/hd acceleration, right? Or did I miss something?

From my understanding UVD is dedicated hardware support for H.264/AVC and VC-1 decoding.

[cadaveca]

Xilleon™ 220 is a highly integrated system-on-a-chip that features a fast MIPS® CPU, graphics, a high-definition video decoder, audio decoder, conditional access, and numerous other features. Xilleon™ 220 is the first chip capable of addressing such a broad range of markets requiring digital video; including set-top boxes, digital TVs, home media gateways, and TVpads. The advanced technology of Xilleon™ 220 also breaks new ground in other ways.

Level of integration

ATI - 1 chip Competitors - 2 to 4 chips
In order to match the capabilities of Xilleon™ 220, traditional solutions might require two to four chips for CPU, video decode, and I/O. Xilleon™ 220 does it all in one chip - saving space, power and cost.


CPU speed

ATI - 300 MHz Competitors - 50 to 150 MHz

Unlike PCs, traditional consumer electronic devices have been hampered by slow CPU speed. The set-top box in a typical home probably only has a 50MHz-150MHz CPU. Xilleon™ 220 doubles or quadruples the CPU speed, leading to a much more responsive user interfaces and a much wider range of applications that can be supported.

For European applications, the Xilleon™ 220 has the necessary computational power to support all levels of DVB-MHP (Digital Video Broadcast Multimedia Home Platform). MHP is Europe’s Java-based open standard for the delivery of interactive content as part of a digital broadcast stream.

http://ati.amd.com/products/dtv/revolutionary.html

Memory bandwidth

ATI – 3 GigaBytes / second Competitors - 1 GigaByte / second
Many set-top systems have slow response times. This is often due to the low memory bandwidth which is not able to keep up with the demands of the application. Xilleon™ 220 has an advanced memory architecture. Memory bandwidth of up to 3 Gigabytes/second is available, three or more times the bandwidth of many competing solutions. The high memory bandwidth enables flawless decode and display of multiple video streams in conjunction with graphics, I/O, and advanced user applications.

Xilleon
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The ATI Xilleon video processor is a 32-bit system-on-a-chip MIPS processor, for use in set-top boxes and digital TVs, providing MPEG2 decoding and other functions for major worldwide broadcast networks (including PAL, NTSC, SECAM and ATSC).

The Xilleon line consists of four products, models 210D/H, 226, 240S/H, and 260 respectively with slightly different features including HD deinterlacing, 3D comb filter, dynamic contrast, noise reduction, sharpness, color control, and integated 2D graphics acceleration.

While AMD announced the completion of aquisition of ATI Technologies on the third quarter of 2006, the Xilleon products would be sold under the AMD brand as AMD Xilleon.

It was revealed that the next generation of AVIVO, named as "Universal Video Decoder", UVD in short, was based on Xilleon video processor to provide hardware decoding of H.264, and VC-1 video codec standards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xilleon

Xilleon
From LinuxMIPS

The Xilleon™ is a family of systems-on-chip (SoC) for the digital set-top box and digital TV markets.

Most members of the family have a 300MHz MIPS CPU (32-bit 4K, MMU, no FPU), dual-SD (standard definition) and dual-HD (high definition) capable MPEG-2 decoder, audio decoder, dual display engine, 2D and 3D graphics engine, conditional access, transport demultiplexers, 32/64 bit DDR/SDR interface, PCI, USB, IR, I2C, I2S, Flash and hard drive EIDE interfaces.

http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Xilleon

[Sampsa]

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

Like I already wrote in the FIRST post of this thread, I'm using Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra and latest patch which adds support to Radeon X2000 series hardware decoding. Although that PR was published yesterday, patch was already available 15th of May.

Here is an image taken from my screen when playing Wolf Creek HD-DVD movie (H.264) with Radeon HD 2900 XT and hw acceleration enabled in Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra:



System specs: Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, Windows Vista 32-bit, Catalyst 8.38 RC7 drivers and Radeon HD 2900 XT. Without hw-acceleration playback is ok, but average CPU load is 72 %. With same system and GeForce 8600 GTS average CPU load is 14 %.

BTW, Those Driverheaven HD-DVD and Blu-ray benchmarks are really strange.

They don't mention which Blu-ray or HD-DVD drive they used? What operating system? Or pretty much any other details regarding their configuration. How they measured CPU load etc.. On their test setup page they list that they are using Benq 16x DVD Writer. Nothing mentioned about Blu-ray or HD-DVD drivers.

They say they used Catalyst 8.37.4 (XP) and 8.37.4.2 (Vista) drivers but I'm damn sure Cyberlink's latest PowerDVD Ultra and Radeon HD 2900 XT's hw acceleration doesn't work atleast yet. Maybe they used results provided by AMD?

Anandtech is writing that R600 has UVD (which is not correct) but the important thing is that they tried to test the feature: "Unfortunately, try as we might, we could not get UVD to work with the current drivers provided by AMD and the PowerDVD release that is supposed to enable the hardware acceleration on HD 2000 series parts." How did Driverheaven manage to pull out such a nice results for Radeon HD 2900 XT when no one else is able to replicate them?







PS. Here is our HD-DVD article's test results published at Muropaketti.com. It's in Finnish but maybe you'll get the picture by looking the charts

[v_rr]

I saw other reviews with a screen of the movie and the task manager, and CPU usage was 15% and less.....

Use other software. I think that windows media player with the proper codec paks also work

[Shintai]

I saw other reviews with a screen of the movie and the task manager, and CPU usage was 15% and less.....

Use other software. I think that windows media player with the proper codec paks also work

Seriously, you sound so desperate for it to work. Perhaps its time just to accept it wont work on 2900XT, but only on 2400/2600 and perhaps 2950

You are obviously not giving up nomatter how much Sampsa shows you it doesnt work. perhaps you should buy the card yourself and show us?

There is a reason some cardmakers already removed UVD from the featurelist or never published it. And even an AMD person said no UVD. Yet you keep trying to make it as there is one.

[v_rr]

Seriously, you sound so desperate for it to work. Perhaps its time just to accept it wont work on 2900XT, but only on 2400/2600 and perhaps 2950

You are sayind that a X1600 mobile acelerate HD content, and an HD 2900XT doesn´t do nothing when there many sites showing it working.
Never mind fanboy talking.....

[Shintai]

You are sayind that a X1600 mobile acelerate HD content, and an HD 2900XT doesn´t do nothing when there many sites showing it working.
Never mind fanboy talking.....

So what is Sampsa doing wrong? He used the latest drivers, he used the latest PowerDVD. So what is your next "solution", new drivers? Newer PowerDVD? And was the AMD guy wrong? I´m sure a diehard hardcore fanboy like you know better than the employees.

Perhaps CyberLink is also simply unaware of your knowledge:
http://www.cyberlink.com/eng/press_room/view_1367.html

Product Availability
CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra with support for AMD UVD Technology on ATI Radeon™ HD 2300, ATI Radeon HD 2400 and ATI Radeon HD 2600 series graphics cards, is available online starting from May 16, 2007.

I´m sorry, my poor eyes cant seem to locate any 2900 series support. Maybe you can help? or do i need some fanboy glasses before I can see it?

[v_rr]

So what is Sampsa doing wrong? He used the latest drivers, he used the latest PowerDVD. So what is your next "solution", new drivers? Newer PowerDVD? And was the AMD guy wrong? I´m sure a diehard hardcore fanboy like you know better than the employees.

Perhaps CyberLink is also simply unaware of your knowledge:
http://www.cyberlink.com/eng/press_room/view_1367.html


I´m sorry, my poor eyes cant seem to locate any 2900 series support. Maybe you can help? or do i need some fanboy glasses before I can see it?

He can have some wrong configuration. That happens to anyone.
There are plenty of reviews showing the card doing it´s job.....

He showed the player full of bugs. Its obvious that cyberlink doesn´t work. Use other.....

One thing is saying that might be some problems with drivers and with the player. That can be solved with software.
Other thing is say that the card don´t do nothing at all, and sorry but is where the fanboys fit with you
That and with the theory that AMD pay reviews.....

Other:

[Shintai]

He can have some wrong configuration. That happens to anyone.
There are plenty of reviews showing the card doing it´s job.....

He showed the player full of bugs. Its obvious that cyberlink doesn´t work. Use other.....

One thing is saying that might be some problems with drivers and with the player. That can be solved with software.
Other thing is say that the card don´t do nothing at all, and sorry but is where the fanboys fit with you
That and with the theory that AMD pay reviews.....

Just a shame you completely avoided showing how it does with Bluray or HD-DVD disc...Specially since they use VC-1 etc.

Also do you not even wonder why companies like Sapphire and Cyberlink dont even list the 2900 as UVD ready? But its siblings got UVD?

Maybe you for once could have wrong information?

Also for your H.264:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886&p=4

If UVD had worked, it would have been close to 0 CPU usage. Since there wouldn´t have been any task left for the CPU to handle.

[Sampsa]

Try this

CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra Delivers Optimized High-Definition Video Playback with Support for AMD UVD Technology on Latest ATI Radeon™ HD 2000 Series Graphics Cards
-May 25, 2007-

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/pr/30

He showed the player full of bugs. Its obvious that cyberlink doesn´t work. Use other.....

Look a couple of posts back. YOU actually asked me to try that program.

Anyway, I'll continue my testing on my own.

[Shintai]

Oh, v_rr...

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...117414,00.html

1. All ATI Radeon HD 2000 products feature AMD’s second-generation Unified Shader Architecture (USA). All ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2000 products feature AMD’s second-generation Unified Shader Architecture, except the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300. The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT features a 512 MB memory bus designed for full performance high dynamic range (HDR) rendering. The ATI Radeon HD 2600 series, ATI Radeon HD 2400 series, and all ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2000 series products include AMD’s new Unified Video Decoder (UVD) technology for high-fidelity HD multimedia playback.

No 2900 series either!

[The Coolest]

He can have some wrong configuration. That happens to anyone.
There are plenty of reviews showing the card doing it´s job.....

He showed the player full of bugs. Its obvious that cyberlink doesn´t work. Use other.....

One thing is saying that might be some problems with drivers and with the player. That can be solved with software.
Other thing is say that the card don´t do nothing at all, and sorry but is where the fanboys fit with you
That and with the theory that AMD pay reviews.....

Other:
....

Only 8800Ultra has BSP, so 8800GTS has no hardware decoding. And the results are the same for both cards, so the only point you have in the above post is proving that HD2900 does not have a UVD\hardware decoding, at least not yet.

Here's a HD2400\2600 review of UVD in action. I think this should basically answer all questions regarding HD2900 not having a UVD engine:
http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc...622&pageid=629
The HD2900 still has the standard AVIVO, which is hardware accelerated video playing. Its not hardware decoding...

[XS Janus]

And when you think about ALL the wasted time and words hyping and fighing about R600 in the last year- DAMN'

[Sampsa]

Anyone have idea if it's possible to play HD-DVD movies with Quicktime (not trailers or files, but actual movies from HD-DVD drive)? Or with any other software? Thanks.

v_rr, you keep posting pictures and charts of tests which are done by playing MPEG-2 (I haven't talked about this codec once) or H.264 decoded trailers (files). I've been talking about playing HD-DVD movies from HD-DVD drive (VC-1 or H.264).

[BenchZowner]

The latest WinDVD ( not 100% sure about this one ) & PowerDVD can Sampsa.
On the other side...it's been really a long time since I stopped using QuickTime at all, but it's worth a try.