Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[madcho]

yeah final prices for me too
So what's going to be the best choice:i'm upgrading my pc around september,when price-cuts C2D's happened for the 2nd time:Q6600/E6850 or one of those Kuma's???

K10 is gonna be a better CPU

[Shadowmage]

There seems to have been a major clock speed increase from the previously stated 1.9GHz to 2.1GHz Agena chips. AMD has managed to increase the clock speed by 300MHz for the 89W TDP and 500MHz for the FX lineup, while keeping a very low "true" TDP (or has AMD converted yet?)

Assuming the 40% improvement holds (should be true for the quad cores, maybe not as true for the dual cores),
A 2.4GHz quad core Agena should equal a 3.36GHz Kentsfield
A 2.6GHz quad core Agena FX should equal a 3.64GHz Kentsfield XE.
A 2.8GHz dual core should equal a 3.9GHz Conroe

This move surely means that these chips will be much more competitive with Penryn et al. However Penryn has the new vector SSE4 instructions (doesn't Agena only have a subset?), so in multimedia I would expect Penryn to win.

[XeRo]

K10 is gonna be a better CPU

Wonder if there are any brave souls to leak out K10 benchies

[EternityZX9]

Anyone care to guessimate the prices for the Phenom X4 @ 2.4Ghz or the Phenom X2 @ 2.8Ghz?

What ballpark price ranges are we talking about here? $1000? $800? $500 for the Phenom X4?

$500+ for the Phenom X2?

And, also is it now confirmed these processors are coming out Q3 instead of the abysmal Q4 or Q1 2008 predictions some people were talking about?

[MAS]

XeRo
we are aware of spec_int/fp-rates, sandra and 3dmark

[thunderstruck!]

K10 is gonna be a better CPU

Got any benchmarks to back up that statement?

[thunderstruck!]

this is not an intel vs amd discussion so no backups needed.

So that gives you the green light to make baseless statements. Didn't know that was the policy around here.

[madcho]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

K10's perf

[Shintai]

XeRo
we are aware of spec_int/fp-rates, sandra and 3dmark

Currently we only seen SpecFp_rate and a another transaction bench. Sofar I recall all 3dmark has been fake and I have seen specint or sandra.

[Shintai]

There seems to have been a major clock speed increase from the previously stated 1.9GHz to 2.1GHz Agena chips. AMD has managed to increase the clock speed by 300MHz for the 89W TDP and 500MHz for the FX lineup, while keeping a very low "true" TDP (or has AMD converted yet?)

Assuming the 40% improvement holds (should be true for the quad cores, maybe not as true for the dual cores),
A 2.4GHz quad core Agena should equal a 3.36GHz Kentsfield
A 2.6GHz quad core Agena FX should equal a 3.64GHz Kentsfield XE.
A 2.8GHz dual core should equal a 3.9GHz Conroe

This move surely means that these chips will be much more competitive with Penryn et al. However Penryn has the new vector SSE4 instructions (doesn't Agena only have a subset?), so in multimedia I would expect Penryn to win.

You do know, that your magic 40% comes from specFp_rate that K8 already beat Conroe at with about 20%?

K10 got 6 instructions of the 42 or so. They call it SSE4A. AMD is not allowed to make a full implementation till until after a certain time. (6-12months).

[madcho]

You do know, that your magic 40% comes from specFp_rate that K8 already beat Conroe at with about 20%?

K10 got 6 instructions of the 42 or so. They call it SSE4A. AMD is not allowed to make a full implementation till until after a certain time. (6-12months).

But AMD has SSE128

[Shintai]

But AMD has SSE128

So do Conroe.

Also, unless you are doing DIVX all day etc. Then it wont give you 40%.

To compare Core Duo had 1 two cycle SSE unit. Conroe got 3 single cycle SSE units. Yet Conroe with all other enchancements is about 20% faster.

[Shintai]

you see, omg

Oh I forgot. Lets throw reality away. Yes K10 will beat Conroe and Penryn with 500% and revolutionize the entire tech industry. We will get a whole new epoke in human history!

Then we all woke up of the dream

[TigeriS]

Phenom, the name says it all. Just like "Athlon" which made up to it's name.

Athlon is the greek word for "contest " or " prize/reward ". Depends on the interpretation.

Phenom is a slang for Phenomena, which means an "impressive or remarkable" thing. It got to be something.

[LowRun]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

K10's perf

Too bad those are nowhere near the benchs we wan't to see.

[Shintai]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

K10's perf

Kinda odd they dont even bench vs the same OS:

SPECint®_rate2006 2P Servers

2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Microsoft Windows®Server 2003 x64 Enterprise http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00524.html
2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux® Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00684.html
2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, Windows® 2003 Server Enterprise Edition SP1 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...122-00249.html
2 Xeon 5355 processors in FSC Primergy RX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-Bit SUSE LINUX® Enterprise Server 10 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00523.html
2 AMD Opteron™ processors Model 2222 SE in Tyan Thunder n4250QE motherboard, 8GB memory, 80GB SATA disk drive, SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 SP3 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...319-00685.html
2 Xeon processors 5160 in FSC PRIMERGY TX300 S3, 16GB memory, 73GB SAS disk drive, 64-bit SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...122-00250.html

And the specs of the K10 aint nowhere to see.

[breakfromyou]

Kinda odd they dont even bench vs the same OS:



And the specs of the K10 aint nowhere to see.

Also: "estimated" Performance.

[Shintai]

Also: "estimated" Performance.

Ye, well...we just have to be patient and wait for the real benches...

[trakslacker]

alright: are you pronouncing Phenom as "fee-nom" or as in the word "venom".

I'm in the fee-nom camp.

[safan80]

What happened to the other AMD thread? I had posted some good info in that thread.

[perkam]

It went away after ppl started crapping it...much like Shintai, Jack and Thunderstruck intend to do here.

Perkam

[Shintai]

It went away after ppl started crapping it...much like Shintai, Jack and Thunderstruck intend to do here.

Perkam

Well, its hard not to go that way when poeple start the hype and imagination engine.

PS3, RD600, R600 and Conroe+Penryn all took that path lately. Nobody seems to object when someone hypes it up. But if someone disagree to get back to a sane level its all crapping, fanboism and more

Lets look...
PS3 wasnt the super killer console.
RD600 didnt clock and perform in a godlike fashion.
R600 seems to be a 8800GTS competitor now.
Conroe didnt perform 50% better, but more like 20%.
Penryn wont be 4Ghz.

And we could go on. Yet its blasphamy to say K10 wont be the miracle on earth.

So perhaps crapping should be defined when people mix dreams with reality

[terrace215]

AMD management is telling whoppers to shareholders about why they are not releasing any actual Barcelona benchmarks.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/r...ge_id=19393127

i cracked up listening to hector's and dirk's response to a shareholder's question about why they aren't painting the world with barc info.

the answer was that if barc info was public, powerful, fast-follower intel could come up with a competitive response too quickly.

any shareholder who believes that crap deserves what they get.

if amd really has something unique it would take a product cycle for intel to respond. if it isn't unique and merely some "innovative" benchmarking they're toast anyway.

[mstp2009]

And yet how many people here believe EVERYTHING that comes out of ol Hector and Dirk's mouths like it is the Gospel?

All execs are lying. If they weren't good liars, they wouldn't be good execs.

[VulgarHandle]

i think all these news posts should be locked with the information post only, speculation discussions should be moved to another topic/forum...

only posts that should be allowed in a news topic should be limited to:
saying it's a repost
posting links that disprove the topic
posting links proving the topic
and/or posting links that enhance the topic