Thermochill PA 120.3 - Are these fans strong enough?

[IanY]

let me save you guys from hell http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=137832
Take a careful look at the chart and you guys will soon figure out that the fans people banished from the forums are actually better than yates, scythe, etc. Big thanks to our favorite super mod, VAPOR!!!!
Sorry IanY, there's gonna be a lot of people fighting over your fans

Serialk11r,

Its not going to happen. Marci and Cathar like Yate Loons, so everyone's going to keep loving Yate Loons Plus Petra is promoting the Scythe S-Flex heavily as well.. look at the number of people buying Scythe now!!!

Like I have always said, someone with stature yells out that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, you'll see the faithful go.. "oh yeah" Look at the mentality of the guy on the first page of this thread... its like.. "we're experts here.. we all like Yate Loons.. just ask around... why do you insult me by suggesting that I look at the air cooling section!! after all, we're all experts !!! " lol

Anyway, my source knows my appetite for what I like, and FrozenCPU has 40 of those in stock, plus I've found another secret source which will remain secret, and I have a contact within the manufacturer itself, which is about 40 minutes away from where I live. My supply is assured

[SiGfever]

Serialk11r,

Its not going to happen. Marci and Cathar like Yate Loons, so everyone's going to keep loving Yate Loons Plus Petra is promoting the Scythe S-Flex heavily as well.. look at the number of people buying Scythe now!!!

Like I have always said, someone with stature yells out that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, you'll see the faithful go.. "oh yeah" Look at the mentality of the guy on the first page of this thread... its like.. "we're experts here.. we all like Yate Loons.. just ask around... why do you insult me by suggesting that I look at the air cooling section!! after all, we're all experts !!! " lol

Anyway, my source knows my appetite for what I like, and FrozenCPU has 40 of those in stock, plus I've found another secret source which will remain secret, and I have a contact within the manufacturer itself, which is about 40 minutes away from where I live. My supply is assured

I ordered three of the Pabst tonight to put on my PA120.3.

[serialk11r]

I ordered three of the Pabst tonight to put on my PA120.3.

IanY, I think you're gonna have some trouble...
If I get fans in the future, don't worry, they'll be sharkoons or those weak enermaxes that actually are silent.

[spider_d]

I ordered 3 Papst's too. That said, I'm not certain that vapors' findings are accurate. Just because some guy in the air cooling section did some testing doesn't mean we have an answer, now does it? Question the paradigm, find answers that hold water and others will know it.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page1.html

For example, the above findings

[IanY]

IanY, I think you're gonna have some trouble...
If I get fans in the future, don't worry, they'll be sharkoons or those weak enermaxes that actually are silent.

Naw... I just got another thirty.. yes.. not a typo

Incidently, silentpc did not test the FGML.. only the FGLL and FGL. There are large differences.

Trust me, I would be even more happy if the fans came in last place, then nobody would notice them, and I'll get to buy as many as I want at a lower price

[AuroraProject]

I have 5 of the Scythes, they have noticeable motor noise compared to the Yate Loons. They spend their days in the closet now!

[AuroraProject]

Yep, all of them are S-Flex SFF21F.

[ranker]

Yep, all of them are S-Flex SFF21F.

Funny, my 5 run fantastic without any sort of noise at the full spectrum.

Guess some were born unlucky.

[IanY]

Guess some were born unlucky.

Now, now. There's no need for any of those snide remarks.

[Mekrel]

The reason I use yates are because they work and they are quiet and they happily run on a fan controller without issue. They are also cheap

Everything I want is rolled into one fan.

Got nothing to do with what ever anyone else uses. They do a good job and no one can deny that. Truth is, it's a fan. I've tried so many fans which claim to be better, but I keep going back to yates.

Not as if the design can be radically different from one to another, so any fan around the same RPM and thickness will be pushing the same type of air. Unless you are notcua and design the blades different, and then get crap air pressure.

As to noise, it will just depend on if it's brushless etc.

[Ricbus]

Ricbus,

Are you using them in a push or pull configuration? Have you tested both ways?

I have 3 Noctua's coming in tomorrow and 3 Papst 4112 fans on order. Considering the papst should be pushing over 10 CFM per fan more, at the same dB, than the noctua's through the rad, i'm interested in testing the papst's against the noctua's.

Do you notice a temperature difference between higher and lower volts on the Noctua's?

Much appreciated,
Dan

I´m currently using push (from air outside the case). Haven´t tried pull yet. It´s because i mountet my watercooling yesterday, and are on vacation now. About the temperatures between high and low volt I don´t know the temperature differense, I just tested them on lower volts to hear how much sound they made. I´ll try it in one week

[Fossil]

I have Scythe SFF21D S-FLEX™ rather than F's. I bought one of D, E and F to try, and the Ds were so quiet I immediately wanted more. The E is good too, and very quiet, but the F is not quiet at all.

I can't hear the D types unless I go really close to them, almost by my ear.
I can't hear the E types if the case is closed.
I can hear the F type very well, from a distance, with the case closed

If you don't mind a little noise (sit a few feet from the case) I think the E's are at a sweet spot.

I don't believe any of these fans are designed to work particularly well with a fan controller: hence the three different types, but that's supposition - I haven't tried a fan controller with any of them and don't own one.

[Nosfer@tu]

So to summ up Papst 4412FGML it the way to go for wather cooling

[IanY]

Sssshhh... bah.. Yate Loons .. Yate Loons !!!!

[Fossil]

The Yate Loon cult began with that thread back in the air-cooling section, where they appear to perform extremely well.

It would be interesting if a whole load more fans were evaluated in the same way. It was the original intention, but it didn't happen.

Another thing that we never had was verification of the results by another tester. Or a specific test on PAs, which at least earned their position by being tested by lots of people.

I know one model of Yate Loons (SL?) came out top in that test, but I have some and I never really noticed YLs 'in general' being either quiet or particularly great performers. I'm pretty sure I didn't have that model, as they were only 80mm fans. Nevertheless, iirc, the reason I buried mine in a tub of spare parts was that they were somewhat noisy.

While I'm at it, Pabst, junked a few of those too, they were expensive and they always seemed to die young.

YL's must have got a whole lot better since I junked those fans... So why are they so good? What is it about their design that makes them so quiet and yet so effective? The bearings? The blades? The housing?

I would buy some (new ones) and give them a try, but I haven't seen any for sale here for ages. PCCG have so many fans but no YLs? That said, if they had them, they'd probably want $30 each for them.

[IanY]

To Fossil,

Sorry to mislead you, mate. I am absolutely no fan of Yate Loons. In fact, my disdain for those fans (besides them being incredibly cheap) is quite well known, apparently much to the dismay of the hordes.

[ranker]

To Fossil,

Sorry to mislead you, mate. I am absolutely no fan of Yate Loons. In fact, my disdain for those fans (besides them being incredibly cheap) is quite well known, apparently much to the dismay of the hordes.

It's like a cult thing. One person likes them and advocates for them and the next thing you know everyone else starts jumping on the bandwagon.

[serialk11r]

The Yate Loon cult began with that thread back in the air-cooling section, where they appear to perform extremely well.

It would be interesting if a whole load more fans were evaluated in the same way. It was the original intention, but it didn't happen.

Another thing that we never had was verification of the results by another tester. Or a specific test on PAs, which at least earned their position by being tested by lots of people.

I know one model of Yate Loons (SL?) came out top in that test, but I have some and I never really noticed YLs 'in general' being either quiet or particularly great performers. I'm pretty sure I didn't have that model, as they were only 80mm fans. Nevertheless, iirc, the reason I buried mine in a tub of spare parts was that they were somewhat noisy.

While I'm at it, Pabst, junked a few of those too, they were expensive and they always seemed to die young.

YL's must have got a whole lot better since I junked those fans... So why are they so good? What is it about their design that makes them so quiet and yet so effective? The bearings? The blades? The housing?

I would buy some (new ones) and give them a try, but I haven't seen any for sale here for ages. PCCG have so many fans but no YLs? That said, if they had them, they'd probably want $30 each for them.

Fossil you need to take another look at the air cooling section

[Fossil]

Yep, took another look. I admit "came out top" was a pretty lazy statement, not intended to be taken completely literally: they certainly scored well in that test, against the fans that were in it. Clear winners, no, there were several good fans in each category. They did score pretty well for low CFM fans.

I just think that getting all fuzzy about YLs when there isn't a mass of solid date to establish the top ten fans in any kind of category is just ... well ... a matter of personal preference.

There are lots of comparative fan tests, but all of them pick small baskets of fans available (usually in the US) and test those. The fans in question are often out of production, or were simply never available elsewhere, or never will be, or have had their specification changed by rolling production "improvements" by the time the test becomes well known.

It's pretty hard to find a recent test, of todays fans, stuff like the CM 140mms etc, stacked up against a range of quality competition - probably because of the expense involved. I know it's not like testing a handful of waterblocks, or just three brands of radiator. Nevertheless, if I could get my hands on YL 120 SLs (and I'm looking into it) I would happily provide my own unique comparative test measured against the Scythes, Antec, CM, and Tt (lol).

Would be great if that original test was updated too, as it seems it was always the plan, but I haven't seen any major update on that thread.

[SiGfever]

Yate Loon fans have been tested by several reputable people and have faired very well. I have both the D12SL-12 and the D12SM-12 models and have been very pleased with their performance.

I just ordered (3) Pabst 4412 FGML fans to try on my PA120.3.

[Mekrel]

I just ordered 10 Pabst 4412 FGML fans

Trying these out, tried so many fans now - lets see if these beat out my yates.