this new Conroe is realy all that?

[sbin]

Probably a headache

[Blacklash]

Yeah there's no difference:



That's a 1600x bench as well

When AMD gets a 300usd chip that is clock for clock faster than C2D and does 3.6-3.9 on air someone let me know. I'll switch back.

[[XC] 4X4N]

I will try and get this back to what the op asked for. Just my 2 cents here. As you can see by my sig I'm a d/c guy. I currenty have 5 amd's and 2 c2d's. Clock for clock there is no doubt, conroe is faster, but it depends on what you are doing. Some apps they are pretty even, on others the conroe is up to twice as fast. For example: on WCG, I have a 170 opty @ 2.9ghz. It gets about 5200 points a day. I have a e6300 @ 3.0 ghz and it get about 5800 a day. But the same two cpus on a math project like Riesel LLR, the opty takes almost 8 hours for a wu, where the e6300 can do it in less than 4 hours. So, for me, I think the conroe is the way to go, but you can build a very good amd rig for a little cheaper.

[revenant]

I know from personal trials that my c2d system clock for clock can crunch a divx movie out in about 1/2 of the time it takes the opty 170 machine.. that's clock for clock at 2.8ghz.. so these conroes are fast chips.. no doubt about it.. they OC real nice like also..

[crspyjohn]

Conroe are the fastest chips for the consumer as of this moment. Nothing from AMD is faster then a INTEL Conroe as of this moment. The decision is up to you if you notice the speed difference or not but the Conroe is faster no doubt about it.

Personally I would go for the E6300 which can be had for $120ish craigslist.

[mele]

I own both.. but then again, I can. I'm also not 100% happy with my Conroe. I am with my AMD's tho, I can run 100% load with my AMD's without my mouse glitching all over the place. I cant do that with my Intel rig.

Also, I don't suggest anybody buy anything from ANY company until summer time. It wouldn't be a smart idea.

You must have other problems then.

I can run two instances of Folding@Home and play BF2 without any lag or glitching.

Mel

[StealthyFish]

No you miss my point. A C2D HAS to be overclocked substantially in order to obtain the same 3D SCORES as a similarly clocked AMD64 X2. When people talk of 3D performance, although the C2D can outperform AMD64 in SuperPi it doesn't trancend to greater 3D performance. This was all I was refering to. I know the tests have already been run, hence I said what I did, cos most people know this already.

And what is the probability that you will get a Conroe to 3.2 Ghz? Pretty much almost every single chip can do that with a decent motherboard that will allow vCore modding. Must we do this again? Conroe has already been shown to perform better in gaming applications as well as number crunching. Don't pull out the sciencemarks or the bull about how after you get past a certain number of FPS, you don't feel anything anymore. I'd take an E6300 over an X2 6000 any day. Don't make me pull out my list of links and sources which have tested Conroes against X2s. I thought we were done with that.

Call me a fanboi, sure. But you have to realize that 3.0ghz is pushing it for the K8 architecture. We saw that even a move to 65nm, it didn't result in better clocks. K8 didn't improve overclocks like the prescotts and smithfields when 65nm came in and made them cedarmills and presslers. Good luck trying to get that 6000 much higher than what it's already at.

It is true that the 6000 is faster than an E6300 at stock. But lest we forget, an X2 6000+ is 439 dollars on newegg. How much is an E6400? E6600? 221 dollars and 313 dollars respectively. And with a pretty much guaranteed overclock of 3.2 ghz, I still believe the conroe is a better deal than the 6000+.

To address anyone's "bad experience" with intel RMA. I've never had a bad experience with intel. My chips have come in perfectly fine. A P4 1.8Ghz Willamette, a PD805, a P4 630. That one chip which is blemished and can not function is pretty rare to come across, considering the amount of chips Intel produces which work fine. Your generalization that Intel is a bad company due to their "poor RMA service" and providing you a defective product has very little probability in occuring with the op if he were to go conroe. I've yet to hear of a guy on this forum have to RMA a Conroe (as in DOA, not through some overclocking project ).

[crazyea]

I know from personal trials that my c2d system clock for clock can crunch a divx movie out in about 1/2 of the time it takes the opty 170 machine.. that's clock for clock at 2.8ghz.. so these conroes are fast chips.. no doubt about it.. they OC real nice like also..

I noticed this as well going from my 3800+ venice to my e6600.

[fhpchris]

Yeah there's no difference:



That's a 1600x bench as well

When AMD gets a 300usd chip that is clock for clock faster than C2D and does 3.6-3.9 on air someone let me know. I'll switch back.

Same, I miss some AMD things, but not many...

I can only say a 3.9ghz Core 2 Quad isnt slow

[rozzyroz]

im pretty sure the fx74 is $519 per cpu, so thats $1038 for the setup that was mentioned before. you can grab a q6700 or q6600 and beat the performance of that for a lesser price. as an extreme example in gaming: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/425/12/


for the original poster, intel core 2 duo is the fastest arch. out right now. if you find someone stating other wise, then there is a fallacy in their statement. as stated earlier, the fx74 was faster then the e6700. of course it is, its a 4 core setup vs a 2 core set up ran on a program that takes advantage of multi cores.

intel has the advantage right now, but in about 3 or 4 months amd is supposed to release their server chips based on the k10. its safe to assume that k10 will be better then core2.

please dont take my word for it, you never know how reliable a forum poster will be. your best bet is to look up benchmarks on programs you use, in reviews. find 3 or 4 good review sites and make a judgement call.

[Kingcarcas]

Yes it really is all that....

[luihed]

Came from Opty @ 2800 to E6600 @ 3800mhz and the difference in speed is HUGE!!!! Superpi from 30s down to 12, big boost in 3dmark too but I upgraded my card as well, couldnt be happier......

Real world comparison though, I cant tell the difference between the two for my daily use.... :banana::banana::banana::banana: are downloaded just as fast, surfing the web is just as fast and if Im wrong then it just proves how much I can "feel" the difference.....

If starting from scratch, Intel is the obvious choice..... but I dont think its worth the upgrade unless you just want to play with these cpus like me...

[andyisc00l]

It really is faster.I built my friend a PC with an Intel Conroe Xeon 3040 hitting 3.65ghz, 2gb G.Skill, 8800gts...I don't know who AMD is kidding.I've got an opteron running at 2.8ghz and I thought that was quick. Conroe is probably around 60% faster, maybe more. It all depends on what your doing of course.

oh and the super pi was really fast!! So many millions of digits of pi were being calculated we celebrated and bought a turkey.

Also is anyone else embarassed for SOLDNER-MOFO64? lol I'm an AMD fanboy but he sounds nuts.

[ahmad]

I have a raptor and I can say that applications fly when I launch them. Most of my day to day use programs (web browsers etc) load the second I click on them. And I am only running at 3GHz. Coming from an Opteron 170 at 2.7ghz.

I do not know who in their right mind would buy an AMD dual core at this stage. I use AMD for "value" builds now since a decent AM2 combo is light on the pocket.

I will probably wait out the quad core jump and get a 6/8 core when they appear. Hopefully Intel doesnt go around changing sockets again.

[nissangtr]

ive been out of the loop for about a year maybe more ive been waiting on chilly1 and gang to get my phasechange back up and runnig so i havent been overclocking or even using whats left of my pc. just want some input before i start this next build problem is ive let my self self go to long everythings changed...

now from what ive been reading these past few months amd is not the best choice anymore? i think think this sucks and realy would like to pick up with where i left off using the amd dual cores.now this x2 3600 / x2 4000 look awsome and the price omg!! these dont compare to intel atlest price wise? not trying to start an amd vrs intel here. infact this is my first day at the site doing some serios reading about the new rig. and plan on reading everything and all i can find on the subject just to get cought up. so im off to read and sory for the hyjack.. thr switch from amd to the conroe is it even worth it? sorry to sound so stupid i realy plan on hitting the web pages and every page in this site that will help...

thx perc

The Core 2 Duo decimates all. The overclocking is phenomenal, so go with the cheapest chipset; E6300 or E6400 if you have good overclocking RAM or an E4300 if you have less than high quality memory. You can expect 3.2-3.4 ghz easy on air for about $163-$220. AMD's K8 is good, but it can't touch the C2D.

[Zeus]

Hi Perc,

Long time no see mate.
I´ve always owned AMD myself, my last was an Opteron 146 @ 10x300 for 24/7 use which was pretty nice but after a while we all want to upgrade, don't we?

So, tbh, there was absolutely nothing from AMD that came close to these Conroes so i bit the bullit and have to say i don't regret it.

For example, with my Opty my best SupePi 1M was 24.906 sec, with his E6600 setup 12.547 sec is the best i could do so far.

That's almost twice as fast!

If you're about to get something new, get a Conroe mate, you'll like it.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Also is anyone else embarassed for SOLDNER-MOFO64? lol I'm an AMD fanboy but he sounds nuts.

Why am I nuts, 'cos I say camparitivly clocked both systems would score the same 3D scores regardless of the C2D's performance advantage? That's nuts, we all can see its true.

Show me where I said a C2D wasn't faster than an A64???

Some of you guys just blert out dumb comments

[Perc]

guys sorry for my non response to this topic i had a family member almost buy yhr farm but i see you guys have left me with quit alot stuff to read! i will get reading infact i can wait. now one thing i would like to know is how does this new chip do on ice? reggies been promising me my phasechance unit back for 1 and 3 months so i hope to get this system running on ice this time around.

thx guys... perc

[Viss]

Good to see you back around. Youll gonna like these chips with your unit. Make sure you either get a board that does high FSB (965 chipset) or a cpu with unlocked multi. A 975 board wil most likely hold you back while using a 9 multi chip on phase for example.

[StealthyFish]

LOL. I just happen to be able to spend 10,000 if I want... I did VERY good this last year. :-)

Also, I don't hate Intel, I just don't agree with what they did to me. Which is why i'm in a lawsuit with them. When the K5's were out and stuff, I had one, not because it was faster than Intel or whatever, but because of what Intel did to me and the fact it was cheaper(I was poor back then).

It would be like, If you want to a restaurant and you ordered up a 16 Oz New York Steak, you get it and it for instance has a big :banana::banana::banana: loogy in it. you can defiantly tell, because you can see the nice green mucussy texture. So the waiter, you say, Someone spit in my food, and the waiter says, "So... who cares."

Thats what Intel did to some of us small computer shop people. They hauked a loogy in out 16 Oz Steak, They didn't even say whoops or sorry. Once I get my 1.5 million from them, Ill be less biased. Everything will be flowers, raindrops and sugarcane fields.

~Mike

If I was as much a complainer as you then I would have sued Sapphire twice, lmfao.

[Dax5]

hahahaha.... fanboys... :-) Don't let them intel fanboys persuade you to go to the dark side.

why not? intel is obviously the "king of the hill" as i speak, so why settle for amd?

[safan80]

why not? intel is obviously the "king of the hill" as i speak, so why settle for amd?

My thoughts exactly! Those that keep talking crap about Conroe just can't handle true power!

[Donnie27]

My thoughts exactly! Those that keep talking crap about Conroe just can't handle true power!

Or just stuck thinking with their hearts and not their Brains

Perc, get a C2D and be done with it.

[largon]

camparitivly clocked both systems would score the same 3D scores regardless of the C2D's performance advantage?

No amount of CPU power will make any difference whatsoever for 3DMark 3d scores when GPU is the bottleneck.

[Perc]

Perc,

So after all this stuff, what are you getting?

seems to me that UNLESS this new intel is justa bat out of hell!! im going amd2 for now. lol a little phasechance action and a lucky chip AND with the new dual cored motherbored who knows might be fun ... but the jury is still out im afraid.

peace perc