Vigor Monsoon II with TEC not good enough?

[Skrips]

Not sure if this topic has been beatten to death, but here it goes anyway:

Hmm, this is going to be a repost, sort of, of a thread I started in the air cooling forum. Anyway, I am building an X6800 system, and I picked up a Monsoon II to try it out. Thought, sure, maybe it won't work so great, but I have never used em before...Just curious, but whats your take on the TEC cooling solutions vesus, say, the Tuniq setup which everyone seems to be in love with? Thanks in advance!

[littleowl]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=131378

[Skrips]

Well, I read this article, but it seems like it wasn't really what I wanted to know. What I am asking is should I stick with the MonsoonII, or get a Tuniq Tower and call it a day, and save myself the risk of CPU burn out?

[n00b 0f l337]

Get the Tuniq

[Duh]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=106971

[littleowl]

like nol said get a tower and call it a day

[Skrips]

like nol said get a tower and call it a day

Even if heavy OC is not what this machine is all about? I mean, after I get comfortable I am going to play with it, see what it can do, but I doubt it would be heavily OC'd for any length of time. Just wondering if this is a consideration or not...

[littleowl]

yes it is considered because the Vigor Monsoon II is not that great of a cooler.. IMHO never buy an air cooled tec because it is a total wast of money

[Skrips]

:thumbsup:

yes it is considered because the Vigor Monsoon II is not that great of a cooler.. IMHO never buy an air cooled tec because it is a total wast of money

Well, thanks for the heads up. Guess thats another thing I have to RMA back to New Egg; I am also going to RMA my RAM and pick up some Corsair Dominator. Hmm, hopefully I should get everything up and running soon, when the IN9 is available from New Egg again. Im so excited! :thumbsup:

[littleowl]

imo air on a tec is a risk for a fire. but what these companys do is put a very low powered tec on them (no bigger then 80w) most of the time are cooled tecs don't cool any better then junk water setup.

[aznsniper911]

But would the Titian Amanda do better then most air cooling with fans that can move more air? Or is still a waste like a Vigor Monsoon II?

[littleowl]

I don't feel any air cooler with a tec is better but that is my openion. does the titian get temps to stay better then a factory cooler yes. but you cant get a nice $60 solid copper heatsink that will do just as good

again this is just my openion

[Brother Esau]

Dude I just got my Tuniq today and my load temp under Orthos beta dropped 10c and that with the Artic Silver 5 just applied and not even srt up yet, also I did not even lap the base yet either!

Using the stock Tuniq fan 2800mhz 1.4vcore idle 22c load 41c
Zalman CPNS9500 2800mhz 1.4vcore idle 31c load 52c

Temps taken with core temp

[littleowl]

Thats a nice drop in temp.

[grudgelord]

But would the Titian Amanda do better then most air cooling with fans that can move more air? Or is still a waste like a Vigor Monsoon II?

I assume you already know this, but in the event that you don't:

The Amanda is effectively the same cooler as the Monsoon II. Both are merely re-branded MACS coolers, different models in the same series with Vigor's and Titan's own small changes and shiny logos.

The Amanda is a MACS MA-7130 and the Monsoon II is a MACS 7131. Both use a 12v, 50W (though I suspect it's actually an 88W) TEC plate.

Check MACS Technology's Website and see for yourself.

I too was considering one of these because I've had an illicit love affair with peltier coolers for years and was really excited at the idea of one that actually worked without all the drawbacks. Then I came to my senses... 50W? Is that going to effectively move it's own thermal output much less the output of an overclocked C2D? I decided I didn't want to feed a considerable chunk of power supply (and, ergo, the electric bill) to the thing in order to feed the peltier's lust for amperage.

These things are really neat to look at on paper. But I really think they are better left there unless you really want to start experimenting with more complex systems.

[littleowl]

I assume you already know this, but in the event that you don't:

The Amanda is effectively the same cooler as the Monsoon II. Both are merely re-branded MACS coolers, different models in the same series with Vigor's and Titan's own small changes and shiny logos.

The Amanda is a MACS MA-7130 and the Monsoon II is a MACS 7131. Both use a 12v, 50W (though I suspect it's actually an 88W) TEC plate.

Check MACS Technology's Website and see for yourself.

I too was considering one of these because I've had an illicit love affair with peltier coolers for years and was really excited at the idea of one that actually worked without all the drawbacks. Then I came to my senses... 50W? Is that going to effectively move it's own thermal output much less the output of an overclocked C2D? I decided I didn't want to feed a considerable chunk of power supply (and, ergo, the electric bill) to the thing in order to feed the peltier's lust for amperage.

These things are really neat to look at on paper. But I really think they are better left there unless you really want to start experimenting with more complex systems.

Thanks you and thanks you again!!!!!!!!! it is always the same questions and then the same answers and the same arguments. if you want to wast the money and play with one then go for it, but if you want something to get nice and cool that don't cost you an arm and a leg then don't get it..

[viciousking]

Hey Guys,

Check this review out. I don't know why you are getting a different result, but the review from AnandTech shows that the Monsoon II performs better than the Tunique Tower. Take a look at the review:


http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...-9700/idle.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...700/stress.jpg

http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling...spx?i=2932&p=5


What do you guys think?

[hollo]

ermm no it doesn't ;D
the graphs in the last link shows the tuniq beating the monsoon, although the reviewer extended the overclock using the monsoon further for some reason

imo the monsoon is badly designed - i thought of sandwiching a TEC that couldn't handle the CPU's entire load between two layers of heatpipes a few months ago, interesting to see that its been done. the monsoon's TEC needs to be bigger, and the parts cooling the CPU and the TEC need to be seperated, and possibly specialised, then i'm sure it'd be much better than any aircooler. the monsoon is a failure compared to what could have been done... imo

[serialk11r]

If you use a TEC I don't think its fair to compete with a non-TEC cooler, because 1. you are using a s***load more electricity 2. you are using a heat pump. Just overclock that CPU and the temps will start to go 30, 31, 32, 33, 34..... 78, 79, 80, 81......

[JokerCPoC]

yes it is considered because the Vigor Monsoon II is not that great of a cooler.. IMHO never buy an air cooled tec because it is a total wast of money

Have You ever used one? If not, You don't have any experience with It.

:thumbsup:

Well, thanks for the heads up. Guess thats another thing I have to RMA back to New Egg; I am also going to RMA my RAM and pick up some Corsair Dominator. Hmm, hopefully I should get everything up and running soon, when the IN9 is available from New Egg again. Im so excited! :thumbsup:

Don't believe the FUD from those Who don't/won't use them, The TEC coolers don't overheat and I've had virtually no problems with them, period. Of course One does have to take into account that You may need a bigger psu as they do use some juice and everything uses more Juice when overclocked.

I have a few of these coolers, It depends on the cpu really, On My quad cores they allow a 3.24GHz to 3.37GHz overclock at the very least(from 2.66GHz), The Tuniq tower while big and bulky and cheap looks like It can only have a 25mm thick fan, 38mm would be better to Me, Especially If one likes a 2-4C drop in temps. Do the TEC coolers work? sure, Do I like the Monsoon II? sure. Are the Temp drops lower than 2-4C? Yep more like 10C or so. Better than some water cooling systems, Condensation isn't a problem at all either. I've been using the Monsoon II heatsinks for months, So don't believe the Fudders.

There is an Ultra TEC cpu cooler version(same place that makes the heatsinks) or the Titan Amanda TEC cpu cooler(dual fan version). These TEC coolers are a dual heatsink cpu cooler with a TEC, The 1st heatsink w/heatpipes, Then the TEC, Then the 2nd Heatsink w/heatpipes. So the TEC is sandwiched between TWO Heatsinks, If the TEC stopped working You'd still have heat transfered to the bottom heatsink at the very least and there is an alarm in case that happens.

But would the Titian Amanda do better then most air cooling with fans that can move more air? Or is still a waste like a Vigor Monsoon II?

Well I think It would do nicely as It does have two fans and right now My Vigor Monsoon II has a cpu temp of 38C right now(PC1), But then this is nightime, In the day It goes up some to about 45C or so, Depends on the rooms temp really. My swamp cooler for the house has yet to be installed of course, But the air will stay cool even on the hottest of days then and It gets pretty hot and dry here in the Western Mojave desert. Only PC2 does not have a Vigor, PC2 has an xp120 as It's an old motherboard and cpu.

[Duh]

Nice answer, but try to keep it in one post
thanks again for giving us some real data

[Mr. Peanut]

Modern motherboards have thermal shutdown, so air-cooled TECs should not risk destroying anything. They also don't get cold enough to cause condensation problems. However, I'm still skeptical about their place in the overclocking society. Despite what others may say, they do have a maximum heat load. Some on this forum say that they have neared that load as thier temps near 65C, while others claim that reaching this load is near impossible.