this new Conroe is realy all that?

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Pall- that's the BEST you got? Can't give us any CPU benches so you stoop to a personal attack?

How disappointing.

Look here you go again....personal attack this....personal attack that.

You ARE a dramaqueen ain't ya?

Your the one shouting about CPU tests when all ANYONE posted was that 3D SCORES can be higher on similarly clocked AMD systems. You need to wade in with your rants about WIPING THE FLOOR and whatever else in CPU TESTS.

Like I keep saying....we all know C2D's CAN perform better in 80% of CPU orientated benchmarks. No-one here has claimed any different. Your shouting down people that are all agreeing with you but disagree on the "C2D ALWAYS MEANS BETTER IN EVERY SCENARIO EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR EVER" view you seem to like to project.

At the end of the day C2D SHOULD PWN ANY A64 by a considerable margin in EVERY SINGLE CONCEIVABLE BENCHMARK KNOWN TO MAN, since it's 3yrs newer and has such a performance advantage.....yet they don't

[i found nemo]

you really should re-consider how you talk to some ppl ....

[Clairvoyant129]

i hope ur not calling me a fan boi cuz i'm not, not even biased a little. but tomshardware is and they are known not to be very thourough ... not trying to debunk ur attempt to debunk me just that not all of those tests are correct. also ram info too, was it the same ram? same timings? where's details? you can put up all these pictures of graphs but forget to put the info of the ram right here on xs, or even a link??? k' have a nice day.

Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Pall- that's the BEST you got? Can't give us any CPU benches so you stoop to a personal attack?

How disappointing.

Look here you go again....personal attack this....personal attack that.

You ARE a dramaqueen ain't ya?

Your the one shouting about CPU tests when all ANYONE posted was that 3D SCORES can be higher on similarly clocked systems. You need to wade in with your rants about WIPING THE FLOOR and whatever else in CPU TESTS.

Like I keep saying....we all know C2D's CAN perform better in 80% of CPU orientated benchmarks. No-one here has claimed any different. Your shouting down people that are all agreeing with you but disagree on the "C2D ALWAYS MEANS BETTER IN EVERY SCENARIO EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR EVER" view you seem to like to project.

At the end of the day C2D SHOULD PWN ANY A64 by a considerably margin in EVERY SINGLE CONCIEVABLE BENCHMARK KNOWN TO MAN, since it's 3yrs newer and has such a performance advantage.....yet they don't

Now that's what I call

[i found nemo]

Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

Credit goes to JumpingJack of Tomshardware.


page 2 last post.

[Clairvoyant129]

My god your dumb......you know fine well I wasn't talking about CPU scores einstein.



It's the closest clocked C2D to my X2 4400 run that there is on the ORB. I'd have to have linked a C2D with lower clocks which wouldn't have made much sense.



Yes but if you read my post i said SM2.0 and 3.0 scores... not cpu scores....hello?



Lay off the green pal....got caught CHEATING?????? Are you on drugs????

WTH has cheating to do with any of this? PMSL



You can't even get near 10K with an X2 4600+ and an 8800GTX!!!!!!!

You either haven't OC'd your CPU and/or card or your hopeless at it, simple as that.

Jeez look at my 06 link.....I run that on AIR @ 2806mhz and a GTS for crying out loud and it put out 9700. I'd go look again at my benching technique if you genuinely can't break 10K.

THIS ALSO

Clairvoyant129's compared to mine

You seem to forget, 3DMark06 tests mostly GPU power, not CPU. Final score depends heavily on the GPU not CPU. Your 8800GTS was clocked higher than the comparision C2D system, no wonder why you got a higher score. My god, you registered to Xtremesystems without knowing that?

Still, even though your 8800GTS was clocked higher, the C2D system scored higher than you in the CPU section.

And no, you have a overclocked 8800GTS, I was talking about stock settings on CPU + GPU.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1019906

Oh, whats this? A X2 @ 2.4GHz with a stock 8800GTX scoring 8k.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1233146

Oh another one.

I scored a 12k with a very light overclock on my 8800GTX, heavily overclocked, I can easily break 13k.

[Clairvoyant129]

Credit goes to JumpingJack of Tomshardware.


page 2 last post.

Do you actually believe JumpingJack pulled these numbers out of his ass? Look at the source. Do you see it? Anandtech.

Are you next going to tell me Anandtech is an Intel paid pumper?

[Jupiler]

Enough crapping and insulting here.
You know the rules and what happens if you brake them (and I'm not talking about simple warnings handed out ).

Let's keep those AMD vs Intel wars out of this, same for the constant name calling.

Perc has been out of the loop for about 1 year (as he stated in his initial post) and he only asked for some advise.
So you give that, or you stay out of this topic, simple.
Be helpfull to others.

[Clairvoyant129]

Enough crapping and insulting here.
You know the rules and what happens if you brake them (and I'm not talking about simple warnings handed out ).

Let's keep those AMD vs Intel wars out of this, same for the constant name calling.

Perc has been out of the loop for about 1 year (as he stated in his initial post) and he only asked for some advise.
So you give that, or you stay out of this topic, simple.
Be helpfull to others.

Im pretty ashamed of myself.

[i found nemo]

Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

then why you say toms? make ur mind up

[Clairvoyant129]

then why you say toms? make ur mind up

... Because JumpingJack is the one who compiled the chart and I'm giving him credit.

[i found nemo]

then why you talkin' about toms? and the other thing about 12k hence that post is deleted, look don't get so defensive cuz intel finally caught up to last gen cpu good job. all i said was that in my opinion, not his not hers, but my opinion it's not that much faster, and is more cost effective when considering that it's expandable into next gen cpus ... not trying to flame really i'm not, so i appologize to anyone who took offence.

[Clairvoyant129]

then why you talkin' about toms? and the other thing about 12k hence that post is deleted, look don't get so defensive cuz intel finally caught up to last gen cpu good job. all i said was that in my opinion, not his not hers, but my opinion it's not that much faster, and is more cost effective when considering that it's expandable into next gen cpus ... not trying to flame really i'm not, so i appologize to anyone who took offence.

Because JumpingJack is from Tomshardware and his source was Anandtech. Is that concept to hard to understand? Jeez, this is my last post on this issue.

[i found nemo]

what about the rest of my post?

[sbin]

Have 3 AMD systems at home.After building and running a E6600 system i decided to replace another AMD with a E6400.
My first build was a 386DX and cost about $3000, since the Athlon AMD had been the first choice now Intel is.Can't wait for AMD's new cpu/video platform!

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

You seem to forget, 3DMark06 tests mostly GPU power, not CPU. Final score depends heavily on the GPU not CPU. Your 8800GTS was clocked higher than the comparision C2D system, no wonder why you got a higher score. My god, you registered to Xtremesystems without knowing that?

This is where BRENT would say something like..."Stop attacking me pls...there was no need for the personal insult at the end." However I'd rather lean toward the belief you merely wrote it in a "semi-annoyed poster retaliating without fully appreciating the point MOFO was trying to make and can myself fully appreciate that he expected intelligent people to utilise a little brain-power and gauge the differences the clocks would've had considering he done his best in a quick attempt to find a comparitively matched SYSTEM & CARD from whats available" view. So I won't hold it against you

Still, even though your 8800GTS was clocked higher, the C2D system scored higher than you in the CPU section.


And no, you have a overclocked 8800GTS, I was talking about stock settings on CPU + GPU.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1019906

Oh, whats this? A X2 @ 2.4GHz with a stock 8800GTX scoring 8k.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1233146

Oh another one.

I scored a 12k with a very light overclock on my 8800GTX, heavily overclocked, I can easily break 13k.

I could root out some VERY POOR C2D 3D MARK OVERALL SCORES aswell mate...means nothing. Lets see your 13k A64 & GTX compare? I'd much rather view that.

[lawrywild]

As stated already, core2duo is indeed faster. But you would be surprised how well that old K8 tech does in a cpu hungry game as supreme commander, and let me remind you it's a 2007 game.

But discussing something that is fact, is not worth it eh?

But where are your benchmarks? You call what you say FACT but atm you haven't given any evidence and you're just dawdling.

[lawrywild]

I don't need to give evidence that core2duo is faster, it is a fact eh? read between the lines more carefully,

i was pointing out that you don't have to repeat a fact every single time, we already know that c2d is the fastest thing on earth "retail"

I was not talking about the FX74 setup dat beated his equivalent in supcom

What are you chatting about?

I was talking about Supreme Commander.. read the lines more carefully

[Sparky]

honestly people....

Do we REALLY NEED AN INTEL THREAD in the AMD SECTION????

Not only that, but arguing over basically the same stuff that has been argued a million times already

Please guys, can't we keep AMD in the AMD section, and intel in the intel section? If you really want to beat the dead horse over and over, why don't you take it to general hardware?

Please...

[Kurz]

Its only better in Super Command since the game takes advantage of the extra 2 cores. But it is cheaper in terms of Price ratio However we arent talking about Price ratio.

[Xope_Poquar]

Lets see your 13k A64 & GTX compare? I'd much rather view that.

Oh, oh, I found a "slightly over 13k" score with a Core 2 Quad and a single 8800GTX.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1162196

[stone_cold_Jimi]

I have an E6700 / Bad Axe / Vapo LS rig and a s939 x2 4600 / DFI Expert / Zalman A/C rig. Having run the 4600 rig under phase previously (3 GHz), it's now at 2.7 GHz; the E6700 is at 3.6 GHz. Yep, the Intel rig is quicker. But the biggest performance difference I notice is that the Intel has the WD Raptor system disk that the 4600 used to have and the 4600 now has an old Maxtor IDE system disk. Sure, the benches show the Intel well ahead, but in daily use, it's not a quantum leap away from the previous chip under the Vapo.

Gotta say the AMD was a lot more fun to overclock, but that comes down to mobos and chipsets.

[Turtle 1]

How in the hell did I get Banned . This is BS. whats this thread doing in AMD section. I don't get it . I got banned for no good reason . I couple of members are constantly name calling and rude to other members daily . I dare not speak there nname or I get banned again.

This is the Facts . IF c2d isn't that much faster than X2 . And you can't feel the differance. Than X2 was just barely faster P4D . You would never feel a differance between the an X2 and a P4D. IS this not so . That would make the best buy P4D

[Jupiler]

Topic moved to the Intel section.

[nicepun]

Perc,

So after all this stuff, what are you getting?